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I'm not sure why they feel the need to go to these more expensive and less reliable in-screen fingerprint sensors when they could easily do what moto/google did and put it in the logo on the back.
 
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Face ID sucks when wearing a mask. It would be much easier to have both features. I think Apple shot itself on the foot since the pandemic made Face ID useless.
Ah yes because apple could have predicted years ago that a pandemic would happen and people would be wearing masks... Not like mask-wearing is going to be forever.
 
I do the same. It is just difficult to enforce a mandate to hold your breath while you pull down your mask (though even if people don't hold their breath, if the mask removal is limited to situations where you keep a good distance to others, the risk increase is minimal).

Please don't do it.. Touching your mask is not a good idea. Your hands can already be contaminated.
 
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Ah yes because apple could have predicted years ago that a pandemic would happen and people would be wearing masks... Not like mask-wearing is going to be forever.
So a company like Apple doesn't have the reflexes to make last minute changes? As if they haven't done last minute changes , never, in the past? Interesting.
 
I don't know how one would end up with the iPhone lock code being the same as the AppleID password. My AppleID password predates the existence of iPhones by several years by virtue of starting out as my iTunes Store account password (and yes, I have changed it over the years to a more complex one). When I got my first iPhone, the passcode was something to choose during setup, not something inherited from the AppleID account. Maybe if one mistook the prompt to select an iPhone passcode as a prompt to enter one's AppleID password, one could end up with both being the same.

And I don't know what you are suggesting Apple should have done. When it became clear that masks were here to stay for a while (maybe April 2020), the iPhone 12 design was locked-in already.
I don't know what Apple should do. I am not neither an engineer nor a developer. I am just a consumer who pays for premium experience. And as consumers, when there is something we don't like we can point it out. I assume they could have made a last minute change like adding the ipad's touch ID button.. Or something else. I am not as clever as the engineers who work for Apple but I really believe there were solutions.

Regarding the Apple ID, with your iphone code you can change your apple ID password. So you'd better not have your phone stolen from someone who saw you typing your 4 digit code :oops: They will have access , not only to your phone, but to your keychain, apple ID password etc.
 
Failed Face ID and typing in my code is still faster than the fingerprint scanner on the Samsung S20U I had.
 
Ah yes because apple could have predicted years ago that a pandemic would happen and people would be wearing masks... Not like mask-wearing is going to be forever.

Thats what we thought last Feb/March when Covid kicked off, and here we are almost one year later and its gotten worse. The vaccine is the light at the end of the tunnel, but we are likely going to be wearing masks for the rest of this year (with some restrictions lifted) , maybe going into early 2022 until the majority of the Human population is vaccinated.
 
Thats what we thought last Feb/March when Covid kicked off, and here we are almost one year later and its gotten worse. The vaccine is the light at the end of the tunnel, but we are likely going to be wearing masks for the rest of this year (with some restrictions lifted) , maybe going into early 2022 until the majority of the Human population is vaccinated.

Don't forget COVID-19 mutations and not knowing how effective vaccines are against those so masks will be around for a while. Just have an iPhone fanboy edition with Face ID for those that want to hold their breath and pull down their mask or think putting in passcode all the time isn't bad user experience. And, a separate notchless iPhone with Touch ID for everyone else. Problem solved.
 
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I opted for a higher capacity mini 12 thinking I might need to eke it out a while. But there are a dozen different things the implemented badly because of things I can't do without that button, or things they had to change because one of the first things was then taking it's place. If they put that all back on the virtual/subsurface button I'll buy one. If they make it just a smidge smaller than the mini/new SE (same size as the old SE please) I'll be at the head of the preorder queue.

Never liked the idea of face id even pre-mask - doesn't let you auth multiple people, doesn't work in the dark, doesn't let me unlock the phone while I'm concentrating on something else to pass it to someone else. But mask times (and mask times will undoubtedly recur occasionally, in a post-covid future) just hammer that home. Leave the option for people who like it, there's always going to be a front-facing camera, but I won't activate it if I can touch id, and can't imagine when I'd miss it.
 
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I don't know what Apple should do. I am not neither an engineer nor a developer. I am just a consumer who pays for premium experience. And as consumers, when there is something we don't like we can point it out. I assume they could have made a last minute change like adding the ipad's touch ID button.. Or something else. I am not as clever as the engineers who work for Apple but I really believe there were solutions.

Regarding the Apple ID, with your iphone code you can change your apple ID password. So you'd better not have your phone stolen from someone who saw you typing your 4 digit code :oops: They will have access , not only to your phone, but to your keychain, apple ID password etc.

Ok, so you are a consumer who assigns blame regardless of whether the target could have prevented your problem or not. Like yelling at somebody who is late before finding out whether it was that person’s fault or not.

Same applies to any debit of credit card, have it stolen by someone who saw you typing your PIN code at an ATM or other payment terminal and it is also compromised. Even a two-factor system fails when two factors are compromised at once.
 
This has been covered a lot in the past 4 years and while touchID seems to never want to die, FaceID is the future, Apple has stuck to their guns on this with the 10-class phones not having it for 4 years. I just don't think they'll bring it back.

but I have to be clear, I"d like to see it back, there are some people who miss it.
I truly look forward to seeing how well your post ages in a few months
 
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Ok, so you are a consumer who assigns blame regardless of whether the target could have prevented your problem or not. Like yelling at somebody who is late before finding out whether it was that person’s fault or not.

Same applies to any debit of credit card, have it stolen by someone who saw you typing your PIN code at an ATM or other payment terminal and it is also compromised. Even a two-factor system fails when two factors are compromised at once.
No, I am like a consumer who can compare existing products in the market and chooses to go with the company he/she prefers - even slightly - despite the imperfections. I have a voice and I share it. That's all. If you see yelling in regular daily complains regarding Apple there is nothing I can do.

Regarding the ATM card, it's not relevant. Let's agree to disagree.
 
Please don't do it.. Touching your mask is not a good idea. Your hands can already be contaminated.
It has been more than six months that the importance of smear infection in the transmission has been downgraded to rather minor compared to droplets and aerosols. I am much more religious about the latter two (initially I did wear disposable or washable gloves when touching stuff outside my home, now I just wash/disinfect my hands regularly in those situations). I obviously try to avoid touching my face as much as possible, but removing my mask a couple of times per month when paying with my phone is a pretty marginal risk (and I of course handle my mask carefully only alongside its edges and I am not touching any of my facial orifices including the eyes during that).
 
No, I am like a consumer who can compare existing products in the market and chooses to go with the company he/she prefers - even slightly - despite the imperfections. I have a voice and I share it. That's all. If you see yelling in regular daily complains regarding Apple there is nothing I can do.
You are still being rude to Apple for things that are not their fault, but I am sensing a theme here. It’s like chiding a restaurant because it doesn’t offer the right type of food for your preferences.
 
You are still being rude to Apple for things that are not their fault, but I am sensing a theme here. It’s like chiding a restaurant because it doesn’t offer the right type of food for your preferences.
I am rude to Apple???? :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

PS. Regarding the restaurant, you are talking to the wrong person. I would eat anything anywhere now if there was something open.
 
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Never liked the idea of face id even pre-mask - [...] doesn't work in the dark,
FaceID works perfectly fine in the dark. It’s some high contrast situations where it can struggle (and those might be more frequent during the night).
 
I am rude to Apple???? :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

What can I do to make it up to Apple??? :rolleyes:
By stopping to insist that they should have been able to foresee the current situation (to paraphrase: “a premium brand should always provide a premium experience, even if that would require them to be able to predict a once in a century event”).
 
By stopping to insist that they should have been able to foresee the current situation.
(to paraphrase: “a premium brand should always provide a premium experience, even if that would require them to be able to predict a once in a century event”).
I never said that.. and don't paraphrase!.. It's easy to copy and paste instead. Didn't you learn at school that words make the difference?

Just to help a bit ... this is what I wrote:

" Apple sells customer experience and unfortunately on planet earth of 2020-2021 and probably 2022 face ID isn't good customer experience. Everything some Apple fans describe (like typing pins etc) contradicts the reason of why some of us choose Apple devices. I don't even want to think about some professions where we are required to wear a mask, or Asian countries where a mask was a thing anyway."
 
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