no one else has been able to get the fingerprint scanner under a screen to work so if the new iphone doesn't have it it wont be a surprise
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Apple's 'iPhone 8' Might Not Ship Until Late 2017, Side Button Touch ID Unlikely
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Or the thing is going to ship much latter than we think there still is no finalized design.
No - the Apple Pay function will not talk directly to the fingerprint sensor, because this would mean that in future, should Apple stop using fingerprint sensors and instead move to another form of authentications (such as, oh I don't know - facial recognition ?) they would have to re-write big chunks of Apple Pay.
Instead, when the user wants to make a payment (and similarly, the Apple Pay code will not talk directly to the NFC sensor, but will instead just receive a notification that a payment has been requested), Apple Pay will make a call to the relevant iOS framework and ask if the user is securely authenticated.
If Apple Pay spoke to the fingerprint sensor directly, then so would the iTunes Store, the App store and anything else requiring Touch ID verification, and you'd have loads of duplicated code.
Very difficult to imagine how a finger print scanner would work on a side button anyway. Surely it's too thin to cover enough of the finger to get a print? i
I'm pretty sure the itouch on the Macbook pro bar is under glass though, and I think it's glass on the iphone button too so I think it's possible.
But why would they lose the front button if they want to retain a finger print scanner ? It would have to be.a dedicated unit because of security and I suspect that part of the screen wouldn't be used for anything else so what's the point? Having had Android phones, they always have an area for buttons and the actual screen never takes up the whole phone anyway (well not on the ones I've had) so apart from if you like the design, I see the advantage. I think the button is really useful and is a plus for me.
Clearly, facial recognition etc could be a plus, but doesn't work in the dark (and couldn't it be more easily fooled? )
Some of the Android ideas like the tap code on the LG would be nice though. Lift your phone to your ear to answer, turn over to reject a call. They were really nice functions.
I'm pretty sure the itouch on the Macbook pro bar is under glass though, and I think it's glass on the iphone button too so I think it's possible.
But why would they lose the front button if they want to retain a finger print scanner ? It would have to be.a dedicated unit because of security and I suspect that part of the screen wouldn't be used for anything else so what's the point? Having had Android phones, they always have an area for buttons and the actual screen never takes up the whole phone anyway (well not on the ones I've had) so apart from if you like the design, I see the advantage. I think the button is really useful and is a plus for me.
Clearly, facial recognition etc could be a plus, but doesn't work in the dark (and couldn't it be more easily fooled? )
Some of the Android ideas like the tap code on the LG would be nice though. Lift your phone to your ear to answer, turn over to reject a call. They were really nice functions.
I wouldn’t consider the comparison between the Apple Watch and iPhone auth to be the same. To begin with, you must use your phone to add a card to Apple Pay which has its own authentication process. Then to add that same card to Apple Pay on the watch you must use the watch app and then again authorize for a second time to add to Apple Watch. Now that it’s on your Apple Watch, you can only use it once you unlock your watch. Whichever method you use to unlock your watch is up to you. By passcode or by unlocking your iPhone with passcode or finger print. So in a sense once you’ve added a card to your Apple Watch, it’s already been authorized twice, a third measure when you unlock your watch.
It’s mainly about security. Without Touch ID on the phone if you were to use a passcode every time you were to pay. You’re exposing your password every time to prying eyes.
So while it is absolutely possible to use Apple Pay without Touch ID on the iPhone. It isn’t secure to use the alternative which is a passcode.
You're right, it does have to go through a few layers of security before you get to that point. I was more going after the rather blanket statement of fingerprint being an absolutely requirement for Apple Pay, when theres no reason why they couldn't justify other biometrics using a similar process, I mean we know Samsung already claims greater faith in their face scanner (probably more to justify it I admit) by only having it create the secure enclave for notes like in the Note 7.
you could probably wipe your finger over it. Doesn't the Sony Xperia range use the power button for fingerprint ID - how do they use it?
As for under the screen, maybe the issue is the thickness of the screen? The sensor may be under glass on the iphone but the button may be very thin. The move from LCD (requiring a backlight) to OLED (self emitting) may make the screen thin enough to support a finger print sensor under the screen. But then why have no other manufacturers done it yet?
Utterly incorrect. Apple Pay is NOT tied to using TouchId.
First off, you can use a passcode instead of TouchId even now.
Secondly, the iOS biometric authentication API has no TouchId names or requirements. Thus in the future ANY secure biometric method could be substituted by Apple, and applications would not be aware of the change.
Thirdly, TouchID does NOT prove who the person is with each registered fingerprint. In fact, banks originally wanted people to go to their bank and register their prints in person. TouchId, which can be fooled if wished by a fake print, and which is not authenticated by any authority, is actually a step down from what the banks wanted. But... it's Good Enough in Most Cases.
Qualcomm has such a sensor and it has been demonstrated by various smartphone makers. However, it won't be ready for mass production until next Spring or so.
I thought so too, but apparently the Sony Xperia smartphones have had it on the power button since 2015 (!). And it's fast as well.
Just another reason why non-Apple news needs to be shown in the forum.
I thought so too, but apparently the Sony Xperia smartphones have had it on the power button since 2015 (!).
Just another reason why non-Apple news needs to be shown in the forum.
To be fair, theres been some discussion of sony FPS in other threads about this phone though
I should’ve been more clear. Apple Pay will always be authenticated by finger print on devices which aesthetics see it fit and the technology availability. Currently the watch can use it without a finger print but I have explained in another post why it makes sense for Apple to currently do it that way. It’s one of those things that makes sense. iPhones will always use Touch ID, and Apple has showed faith by removing a physical home button with Touch ID integrated to a fixed button with the same integration and function. The next step is to have Touch ID integrated into the screen on the iPhone. Then they will move to integrating it in iPads, then the Apple Watch. Simply because it makes sense and the design of the devices allow it. It isn’t until you imagine all the ways you currently use your phone with Touch ID, and then imagine how you can do the same actions without it or with a replacement and see how having Touch ID is essential.
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I could not agree more!
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LOL, Tim Cook I'm afraid wouldn't know squat unless someone told it to him.
I always love watching the people on this forum who buy a device they don't want, purely because they're worried that if they wait for the one they want to arrive they won't be amongst the first to own one. It's a sorry sight every year...watching people waste money on a device config they didn't want.
I wish the camera was flush with the rest of the phone, even if it came at a cost to an inferior camera. To me, a camera on a phone is snap shot camera at best, and will never be serious camera. This war over camera resolution etc between phone vendors is silly. If you want to take a serious photograph, than use a serious camera, not a telephone.
It does work like that. You can't pay with a passcode. And try using facial recognition when reaching out to an NFC reader! Or using facial recognition at night when trying to log in when using your phone in bed or even in a dark area. It's ridiculous.
If you seriously think that every app on your phone that uses Touch ID has the code to directly interface with the fingerprint sensor in it, then, well, I guess you're not going to understand.
You mean the iPhone 6Ss?! Its been the same phone for 3 years with minor spec bumps.
People definitely won't be chilling out when they try to get their hands on one if the delay/issues are accurate.
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Most definitely, despite what some people say.
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Yeah, especially when another manufacturer releases a technology that Apple might use at some point in the future so some people here won't always be stuck in their Apple bubble. When I first heard about the Sony, my first thought was Apple now has an option if it wants to remove the home button for some reason and retain TouchID.
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No need to be facetious. The discussion was primarily over Apple Pay where it’s a necessity and also one of Apples biggest earners.