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Apple's 'iPhone 8' Might Not Ship Until Late 2017, Side Button Touch ID Unlikely

The $1000 question for me is going to come down to how much bigger the actual foot print of the 8 is compared to my 6. The 7s is too big so I have to see where this 8 fits in.
 
Dilster3k said:
Jesus ***** Christ. The rumor cycle for this particular iPhone has been unbearably ridiculous. Major contractions on the daily and summaries of every possible outcome weekly. The hype train on this is a headache, everyone needs to chill out.
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Everyone is just throwing stuff on the wall and hopefully it sticks. Whoever is right gets "credibility." This is why MR can be annoying at times.
 
beanbaguk said:
No need to be facetious. The discussion was primarily over Apple Pay where it’s a necessity and also one of Apples biggest earners.
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Well I explained multiple times how Touch ID is not required for Apple Pay (because Apple Pay is almost certainly unaware of the existence of Touch ID), although some form of secure user authentication is.
 
ke-iron said:
It’s all lies. The phone will have Touch ID. Without Touch ID you cannot use Apple Pay. That alone should make everyone realize this is a lie. Touch ID has been integrated way too deep to leave it out on a future flagship phone, or any future iPhones for that matter.
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Agree it's well integrated... BUT Apple pay is not actually dependant on it... the secure enclave talks to the banks... and currently touch ID talks to the Secure enclave on the phone there is no reason it can't be some other biometric....

In fact the Apple Watch has no touch ID... but you can use that to pay.
 
My main concern is the cost. All these features are nice, but eventually I will be priced out of the market.
 
prowlmedia said:
Agree it's well integrated... BUT Apple pay is not actually dependant on it... the secure enclave talks to the banks... and currently touch ID talks to the Secure enclave on the phone there is no reason it can't be some other biometric....

In fact the Apple Watch has no touch ID... but you can use that to pay.
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The Apple Watch is already unlocked and authenticated by the time you are ready to pay. At the point of sale you do not have to authenticate on the watch because it was done when you placed the watch on your hand. However on the phone, at the point of sale you must authenticate every time and using a passcode would be a terrible idea since people could see you typing your code to pay. Facial recognition is also a bad idea because your phone needs to be close by the nfc reader. While their are other methods to authenticate other than a finger, it cannot be argued that the finger isn’t the most secure and seamless way to pay, because it is.
 
ke-iron said:
The Apple Watch is already unlocked and authenticated by the time you are ready to pay. At the point of sale you do not have to authenticate on the watch because it was done when you placed the watch on your hand.
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Facial recognition is also a bad idea because your phone needs to be close by the nfc reader.
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Flows don't have to always be the exact same for every method.

For example, facial could use a technique similar to the Watch. It could be used to unlock the phone ahead of time, ready to be tapped to pay.

If you wanted to be extra safe, phone sensors could check to make sure it hadn't left your hand since last authentication... same as the Watch.
 
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kdarling said:
Flows don't have to always be the exact same for every method.

For example, facial could use a technique to the Watch. It could be used to unlock the phone ahead of time, ready to be tapped to pay.

If you wanted to be extra safe, phone sensors could check to make sure it hadn't left your hand since last authentication... same as the Watch.
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Plenty of ways to do it but which is the more direct, sensible and secure. I have thought of all different ways to use all my Apple devices without Touch ID and non seems to make more sense than the use of your finger with your phone already in your hand for authentication.
 
ke-iron said:
The Apple Watch is already unlocked and authenticated by the time you are ready to pay. At the point of sale you do not have to authenticate on the watch because it was done when you placed the watch on your hand. However on the phone, at the point of sale you must authenticate every time and using a passcode would be a terrible idea since people could see you typing your code to pay. Facial recognition is also a bad idea because your phone needs to be close by the nfc reader. While their are other methods to authenticate other than a finger, it cannot be argued that the finger isn’t the most secure and seamless way to pay, because it is.
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True about the NFC and camera facial rec. Difficult to authenticate easily.

Wouldn't worry though. It will have under screen tech for sure.
 
Facial recognition and an OLED screen isn't any innovation as both have been around for a couple of years
Incorporating the Touch ID into the power button or screen would be innovative
As for the bezeless screen we've seen that from Samsung already
As for AR , let's see how good it is before we pass judgement

Bottom Line: Expect more from Apple in a tenth anniversary iPhone . Rumors so far are cheesy
 
BoulderAdonis said:
Well, for some people - "just fine" is good enough. For me - faster is better. Apparently for most people, buying 80MM+ iPhones every year ...
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If faster is better then why did it take you forever to reply?! You definitely need an upgrade!
 
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