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I really don’t… I talk to my friends wives about this stuff all the time and they are always asking about “what gives me the best photos”

They have young kids usually moving around a lot, and they want to get the best photos.

The air takes fine photos, but an average person is going to assume that multiple lenses is better. They are right.
Your average Joe wouldn’t even know how to use the other lenses you are talking about… it’s best to agree to disagree on this matter mate.
 
Your average Joe wouldn’t even know how to use the other lenses you are talking about… it’s best to agree to disagree on this matter mate.

You’ve gotta be kidding me.

I’m sure you know that’s what makes Apple so great here?

You don’t have to know anything! it just uses the correct lens when you manually zoom in on your kid
 
Because they need to field test the tech, and there is a niche of customers who do want this type of phone (ie me). So instead of hoping things work out when they release the fold (which I assume has a larger market), they can work out the kinks in this gen.
What tech are they field testing that would be specific to a foldable? Having the guts of the computer in the camera bar? Are they not able to test that themselves? I don’t think general consumers should have to pay to field test future products for them.
 
You’ve gotta be kidding me.

I’m sure you know that’s what makes Apple so great here?

You don’t have to know anything! it just uses the correct lens when you manually zoom in on your kid
You can do the same thing with the Air, only the quality is slightly worse with one being digital. Your average housewife wouldn’t be able to tell the difference…
 
The market has voted with their wallets.
It is back to the drawing board for the iPhone Air team…if it still exists.

In the early 2000s when most phones were still seen as basic tools and worked more like fashion accessories, a device like the Air made sense hence the Motorola V3 RAZR was so successful, all it had to do was Calls and Text well while looking beautiful and svelte.

In 2025 a phone is a far more complex device that requires minimal compromising on important aspects such as battery life and camera.
 
I LOVE my iPhone Air. I think a lot of early reviews scared people away before they actually got their hands on them. MKBHD said about “red flags”. Turns out battery life is quite good. I have not had mine run out in a single day once. Also the camera is great. I don’t do much wide angle or zoom shots anyway. The single speaker means nothing either as I use Air Pods. It is soooo much more comfortable to hold and carry in my pockets. They should have given reviewers units prior to announcing so they could see the compromises are reasonable for most people.
Seems we will be part of a secret society - if you know you know. This phone is a sleeper. I still have my 15 and 16 Pro Max and using them now just feels comical. I brought both the Air and 16PM to a concert the other night in case I needed to use the lenses. Ended up only filming with the Air as the main lens was the only shot I needed. Despite taking loads of videos and only having 45% battery at the start of the night, the Air did not overheat nor run out of juice. The bulk in the pocket from the Pro Max is hilarious in hindsight. I can never go back, and if they discontinue the Air because there are not enough buyers of quiet luxury, then this will be my last phone for some time.
 
If this thing gets discounted on Amazon by a few hundred to shift unsold inventory it could turn out to be the best buy of all this years phones, I know I would be tempted
 
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The Air has been fine for me. If you understand that any device you get is a compromise in some way, and you know what your priorities are, it’s fine. I care more about a phone that’s not 2lbs weighing down my pockets. I don’t need the best cameras, I don’t need the biggest battery. The Air works for me given those needs.
Do you really feel the difference in the pocket? I for one can‘t feel a difference between the company SE and my 15 Pro.
 
Failure or not, this was an engineering challenge to prepare for the upcoming folding iPhone, which is going to resemble two of these stacked. And perhaps the tech will trickle down to the standard iPhone and ultimately make it thinner with the same battery life it has now.
No one needs a folding phone. There is zero justification to pay a premium for a made up solution. Hobbyists desires do not represent the market or real world demand.

The LARPing is out of control.

In the years ahead we'll all look back at the fad of foldable devices. It's technology for the sake of technology. It solves exactly zero problems. The public is not going to adopt $2000 foldable phones with no protective case. Zero research needed.
 
I think it's an awesome device, I would've gotten it if it wasn't so overpriced. At 1000€ I would've gotten it over my regular 17.
 
I’m sorry but this should not surprise anyone. Air won’t truly matter until it gets stereo speakers and dual cameras.
 
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You want to be in denial, that's fine.

Try to explain why every single color and storage capacity iPhone Air shows as "1-2 weeks" delivery in China. You seriously believe Chinese consumers ate up everything?

There are also on the ground observations about demand.

 
Of the various things I wished might be different about iphones in the past decade, thinner isn't one of them.
 
Apple: One speaker, USB-A speeds on USB-C

Also Apple: why it not sells well?
How many times a year do you connect your iPhone to a cable? I haven't done it once in the last five years since Magsafe came out. How often do you play something on your stereo? I never do. Answer honestly.
 
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They're desperate to get the average spend on iPhone up. For argument lets say a third of iPhone sales went to the Pro when that model was introduced, suddenly you've got a third of iPhone sales at $1000 rather than $800. Great job.

So 2/3rds getting the regular and 1/3rd getting the Pro. How can we get more people of those regular models. I know, let's increase the price of the Pro and slot a model in the middle. It won't be feature led as regular owners don't care much about features, but it will look and feel cool. So now we've got the regular at $800, Air $1000 and Pro $1100.

Can you imagine if it works? Suddenly you've got 2/3rds of people paying $1k+ for an iPhone, and now only a 1/3rd on the regular model.

Problem is you can't take people for mugs, and they quickly worked out Apple's game.
Problem I see is they made the base phone way too amazing of a deal. With the upgraded screen, double storage, and better front and back cameras from the year before, all at the same starting price. If the strategy was truly to get folks to buy this new higher priced model, they shouldn't have the base model be so great. If the base model only had one camera, less battery, lower quality screen, then this new Air model would look like a great deal.
 
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