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perhaps if it had low power consumption and had some type of solar charging in the band or motion charging from swinging your arm it would work with a 100mah battery however I highly doubt the 100mah claim
It is possible to have all of that. It is also possible that it might be built on 14nm technology which could explain the delay. Even so I still believe Apple has a ways to go to exploit current tech. After all they just purchased yet another semiconductor design firm with a extremely heavy focus on low power systems.

The reality is this, Apple has a limited range of battery tech to choose from and most users don't want a boat anchor on their wrists. The size of the battery is limited by weight more than anything. Also the battery needs to be a stable technology as you wouldn't want thermal run away on somebodies wrist. I just don't see a lot of options for Apple.

As for solar this is probably one place where it makes a lot of sense. Of course it will work better in the South as opposed to the North. Even if the solar contribution is only a fraction of the power demand it will still extend battery lifetimes. The only issue Apple would have is making it work and look good at the same time.
 
I have a Casio Pathfinder.

It's solar powered and never dies.

It's survived Iraq, Afghanistan, jumping out of helicopters, IED's, mortar attacks, mountain biking, skiing, rock climbing, hikes, week long camping adventures, swimming, rafting...AND EVERYTHING.

What about kids? I mean, none of those things you mentioned were actively TRYing to damage your watch. ;)
 
If Apple has managed to come up with a new type of energy transfer, and thus a new branch of physics; solving what thousands of other companies/universities have been striving to do for the last 10 years, hats off to them.

But you've made a lot of assumptions. What was the power value you came up with to get your "size of a door" calculation? We don't know how power efficient it is, how long the battery would last without charging, if there is a plug in charging mode, etc. So current physics could suffice with enough engineering.

You also assume that it can charge the watch to 100% at a meter away. Maybe the charging rate is much lower at that point, but theoretically possible (although no more than the discharge rate of the watch). But when I sleep, my night table is only a few inches away, so I would get a much better charge rate. I could put a charger at work next to my keyboard, again pretty darn close and I sit here at least 5 of the 8 hours a day.

Engineering and innovation is what takes the "impossible" and makes it possible every day. No new physics needed. That is, if we assume "physics" is completely understood to begin with. I mean I'm sure Newton thought he had it all figured out and he was pretty damn smart. Einstein didn't invent new physics, he just understood more about it...
 
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Clearly, my clientelle is different from yours and that's ok. I know that my clients value the appearance and if that one little things keeps people booking, I'm good. No need for the condescension.

Ha, good one. You have no idea who my clientele is, or what they expect. In any case, pretentiousness is not excused by even more pretentiousness.

A reminder: you were the one who was pretending to speak for Southern Californians. It was too easy to point out that this was just plain silly.
 
What about people who likes wearing traditional watches or those who put on watches for special occasions?

Would you wear the traditional watch on one wrist and the iWatch on the other? Or both on the same wrist?
 
Ha, good one. You have no idea who my clientele is, or what they expect. In any case, pretentiousness is not excused by even more pretentiousness.

A reminder: you were the one who was pretending to speak for Southern Californians. It was too easy to point out that this was just plain silly.

This is my point...you don't know me, what I do, or who I interact with, so don't act like you do. It's only silly because you don't understand where I'm coming from.
 
What about people who likes wearing traditional watches or those who put on watches for special occasions?
Good point.

Would you wear the traditional watch on one wrist and the iWatch on the other? Or both on the same wrist?

Ankles? Or how about the body of the watch detaches from the strap and you wear it round your neck on a chain.

(A big gold chain in So-Cal :D )
 
A 100 mAh battery in the iWatch would roughly match the 105 mAh battery seen in the sixth-generation iPod nano that was designed in part to be able to be used as a watch.

[CITATION NEEDED]

Third parties designed watch bands for that iPod Nano, sure, but Apple did not "design" it to be used as a watch.
 
What about people who likes wearing traditional watches or those who put on watches for special occasions?

Would you wear the traditional watch on one wrist and the iWatch on the other? Or both on the same wrist?

Actually, you bring up the need for another product: the "smart wristwatch band" :)

With the smart band, you could continue to use your favorite watch. Just change the band instead.

The band could have a wallpaper background that normally looks like leather, but changes to data when you swipe or get a call.

Only half joking...
 
This. Having something on your wrist can open up a whole world of possibilities. This reminds me of how people claimed that the iPad was simply a larger iPod touch. That notion remains mostly dead.

it is simply a larger ipod touch but it gives all the added functionality from that size increase.

Would anyone need a phone with more features than a Nokia, if so, why?

7 days battery life, color display. Not sure why you would want something flashier than that.

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instead of answering by referring to successful items in the past (then every idea would work) why not truly answer questions of the point of this device.

its not like apple is not just jumping on the bandwagon here as opposed to what they did with the iphone and ipad
 
Maybe it will be similar to the Citizen Eco drive and it will be able to replenish some charge from available light so you won't have to charge it every 2 days?
 
But you've made a lot of assumptions. What was the power value you came up with to get your "size of a door" calculation? We don't know how power efficient it is, how long the battery would last without charging, if there is a plug in charging mode, etc. So current physics could suffice with enough engineering.

MR stated that it would use wireless charging, not that it used anything else. Since it'll have a 100mAh battery, you'd need to pump in a realistic minimum of 10mAh into it to charge it up in 10 hours (assuming the watch electronics use no power at all). 10mA is a lot of power when talking about an RF receiver. As I said before, 3cm wide RFID tags work at about 15 cm away from a 10cm coil, and they use 1µA. That's 0.000001 amps, not 0.01 amps.

You also assume that it can charge the watch to 100% at a meter away. Maybe the charging rate is much lower at that point, but theoretically possible (although no more than the discharge rate of the watch).

It would still require a large amount of transmission power to even get 1mA to the watch at a meter. The smaller the transmission or receiving coil, the more power that's needed.

But when I sleep, my night table is only a few inches away, so I would get a much better charge rate. I could put a charger at work next to my keyboard, again pretty darn close and I sit here at least 5 of the 8 hours a day.

Fine, it would charge if you had the watch literally inches (2-3) away from the transmission coil, but that would mean having your arm sat on the pad all night, unless you took the watch off. A mousemat with the RF coil in would work nicely though.

Also you don't mind blasting high power RF energy into you all day and night long? People complain about mobile phones which intermittently output an absolute max of 2 watts, these transmitters would be tens of watts continually.

Engineering and innovation is what takes the "impossible" and makes it possible every day. No new physics needed. That is, if we assume "physics" is completely understood to begin with. I mean I'm sure Newton thought he had it all figured out and he was pretty damn smart. Einstein didn't invent new physics, he just understood more about it...

Of course, I wouldn't be an engineer if I couldn't come up with new ways to solve problems. But I am realistic, I can see when a problem is beyond current technology. Since you can't make "new physics", only discover things you don't know about it, there are rules that we are pretty certain to be true and cannot be broken. The distance of an RF transmission is one of these, and that is the only useful form of wireless electrical power that physicists currently know of.

Apple may make small improvements, but a huge leap in this field is fairly unlikely. By the same token, some Chinese newspaper might say they've got a battery in the watch that's 1000mAh and I would say that's unlikely, since as with wireless power, huge leaps like that are essentially unheard of.
 
...the "smart wristwatch band" :)

...continue to use your favorite watch. Just change the band instead.

Not a bad idea.

Alternatively, make the device look nothing like a watch at all and wear it on the other wrist:
 

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Wow what a useless device... *After watching iWatch keynote, OMFG Apple take my money right now! Come you know you're going to buy one.
 
This is my point...you don't know me, what I do, or who I interact with, so don't act like you do. It's only silly because you don't understand where I'm coming from.

No, only that you pretend to know what Southern Californians value. Too late to take that back. Trust me, I get where you are coming from, but I've been around enough to know that not everyone here or anyplace else brags on their jewelry. Not hardly.

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Maybe it will be similar to the Citizen Eco drive and it will be able to replenish some charge from available light so you won't have to charge it every 2 days?

Hope it works better than that. The battery in my Ecodrive crapped out, after several years of use, granted, but it costs a fortune to replace so I never have.
 
Wireless charging from a meter away? What tripe. Even if they used the watch strap as an inductive receiver coil, the transmission coil would have to be the size of a door and would suck up many tens or even hundreds of watts, not to mention the interference caused to radio stations...

I'm reading a book on Nikola Tesla right now. The idea of wireless charging from a great distance by something that's not big and cumbersome, is a fascinating one that i hope pans out. If we're talking a little router sized base station to beam power to my watch, i'm all for it. Someone should dig through apple's old patents to see if anything similar to this has been patented by them already so we could connect the two
 
Hope it works better than that. The battery in my Ecodrive crapped out, after several years of use, granted, but it costs a fortune to replace so I never have.

I think the current Ecodrive models are guaranteed for 5 years, but I have no idea what battery life is in the real world. Just picked one up for my wife, we'll see how it goes. If an iWatch battery lasts for 5 years, I don't think it will be an issue. We're not talking about something like a Rolex or high end watch here. It's going to be a replaceable tech gadget like a phone, tablet, etc.
 
Apple may make small improvements, but a huge leap in this field is fairly unlikely. By the same token, some Chinese newspaper might say they've got a battery in the watch that's 1000mAh and I would say that's unlikely, since as with wireless power, huge leaps like that are essentially unheard of.

Ok. It just popped up in my head. What if...the iwatch has a 3 day battery life...that's the downside. The upside, is that the wireless charging works well from a few feet away. So you stick this base station thing on your night stand next your bed and it charges while you sleep, eliminating the "awww i gotta charge it EVERY night?" complaint.

But on the other hand, it would suck if you want to go on a camping trip or something and electrical outlets aren't exactly naturally occurring. So what do you do? Battery powered base station. Leave it in your backpack and when your watch needs juice, it charges wirelessly without you ever having to even check battery life.
 
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