Most people have no idea of the release cycle of Apple products. They also have little idea of what Steve Jobs presents. Sure the media will take less notice; but with th retail presence apple now has, they really don't need the media to continue. Without Jobs, when that happens, Apple will still be just as big. They will be well positioned to be a self sustaining entity from a promotional standpoint. But when it comes to reinventing themselves going forward, that will be the big unknown. I'd like to believe that Apple has a 5 and 10 and even 20 year plan. They would just need to execute on it.
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Apple's Jonathan Ive Considering Moving Back to England?
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Most people have no idea of the release cycle of Apple products. They also have little idea of what Steve Jobs presents. Sure the media will take less notice; but with th retail presence apple now has, they really don't need the media to continue. Without Jobs, when that happens, Apple will still be just as big. They will be well positioned to be a self sustaining entity from a promotional standpoint. But when it comes to reinventing themselves going forward, that will be the big unknown. I'd like to believe that Apple has a 5 and 10 and even 20 year plan. They would just need to execute on it.
Jonny-boy is getting OLD
time for fresh blood to come thru.
hope you enjoy your somerset retirement, in the county where the cider apples grow
hope you enjoy your somerset retirement, in the county where the cider apples grow
if something should happen to him tomorrow would apple close up shop?
Apple has had some high on the food chain exes leave and they still seem to be doing well.
its one guy that has influenced more than a team of one.
If I was to recommend anything to Jon it would be; take you money, spend time with your wife and twins, enjoy your friends and family, cherish your contribution and live life to the fullest. You'll be missed but not forgotten.
Apple has had some high on the food chain exes leave and they still seem to be doing well.
its one guy that has influenced more than a team of one.
If I was to recommend anything to Jon it would be; take you money, spend time with your wife and twins, enjoy your friends and family, cherish your contribution and live life to the fullest. You'll be missed but not forgotten.
Personally I think this change would be good. While I like Apple's current design, I think they have gone too far on "form over function" ideology. For example, I hate the current "use dongle/use usb hub/use usb extension cord" style and their obsession of thinness.
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Steve Jobs in general isn't a very nice person so working with him as long as Ive did must have taken its toll. In all honesty I would be surprised if Ive decides to stay with Apple. Ive holds all the cards here. Apple only has the money card to play with but there are most likely many companies that will match or do one better.
http://www.allaboutstevejobs.com/being/3-work/3-work.html
Are those shares or options to shares that he is now executing? If those are options, then there are only certain announced windows in which he is legally allowed to execute the option and trade/sell his shares. And you usually do this to cash in money, yes. He's probably making a fortune right now and he'd be stupid not to go for it. And in all likelihood his activities have NOTHING to do with Apple's future or what he thinks this future might bring - it's just that the price for Apple stock is right and the window is there.
Well, if it is true, then I think his leaving is probably going to have more impact on the stock price than SJ leaving, at this point.
But I don't really think Apple will refuse to compromise on this issue because Johnny has been so instrumental in Apple's recent successes. Then again, what do I know?
Hey, maybe Steve will buy him a supersonic private jet and build a runway on his property and the Apple campus just so Johnny can commute to & from work every day I can see the headlines now: "Apple CEO commissions mini-Concorde for Principal Designer"...
But seriously, Apple might not have him as the principal designer, but they could still have him as a "consultant" of some sort. I can't believe they'd allow such key personnel to just up & leave without even trying to retain some of this talent...
But I don't really think Apple will refuse to compromise on this issue because Johnny has been so instrumental in Apple's recent successes. Then again, what do I know?
Hey, maybe Steve will buy him a supersonic private jet and build a runway on his property and the Apple campus just so Johnny can commute to & from work every day I can see the headlines now: "Apple CEO commissions mini-Concorde for Principal Designer"...
But seriously, Apple might not have him as the principal designer, but they could still have him as a "consultant" of some sort. I can't believe they'd allow such key personnel to just up & leave without even trying to retain some of this talent...
Finally the voice of truth & wisdom!
I agree with your points completely.
Jobs is nothing more than the man in the turtleneck who's only expertise is a world class con man.
Nonetheless it's time for both of these men to go. Especially since Jobs is single handedly turning Apple into a gadget / sealed appliance company.
Let Apple be renewed by a younger, fresher, more up to date group of professionals. Silicon Valley is deep with talent. It's time to shake up Apple.
If you're worried about your bloody stock, sell it. I'm cashing out now as although it's only a portion of my portfolio, I have a huge amount that's aged well over the years.
Pull your head out, we're headed at warp speed towards $5 per gallon gas & other significant hits to people less fortunate than us. And THAT WILL "Change Everything" as the "Old Apple Used To Say".
Get ready for a bumpy ride. Get smart. take Action.
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This is clever manipulation by the senior management at Apple... I think they are 'testing the water' regarding succession plan, if Steve Jobs permanently reduces his role or leaves the company - for whatever reason.
In all likelihood, Apple are feeling out public opinion about Ive. Checking to see what opinions forums like this have on the guy. We've already debated Tim Cook, the most likely successor to Steve Jobs in a strategic capacity but I think there's a growing feeling, the best man to front up at keynotes is Ive.
Look back at all the most prominent Apple announcements of the past 18 months and in every case, Ive has been centre-stage on the upfront-videos. Clearly, Apple needs strong leadership but unlike almost any other tech company, it needs an evangelist, who can communicate the product cycle to the world.
Ive carries a certain mystique - almost as if he's Jobs's man on the inside. If this is lost on you, the consumer ten the search continues. If we 'get' the Ive effect, I imagine he'll be propelled forward. There is no better way to guage this opinion, than to say he might be leaving the business....
In all likelihood, Apple are feeling out public opinion about Ive. Checking to see what opinions forums like this have on the guy. We've already debated Tim Cook, the most likely successor to Steve Jobs in a strategic capacity but I think there's a growing feeling, the best man to front up at keynotes is Ive.
Look back at all the most prominent Apple announcements of the past 18 months and in every case, Ive has been centre-stage on the upfront-videos. Clearly, Apple needs strong leadership but unlike almost any other tech company, it needs an evangelist, who can communicate the product cycle to the world.
Ive carries a certain mystique - almost as if he's Jobs's man on the inside. If this is lost on you, the consumer ten the search continues. If we 'get' the Ive effect, I imagine he'll be propelled forward. There is no better way to guage this opinion, than to say he might be leaving the business....
I don't care about the use dongle/use usb hub..." thing, I would hate it much more if my Macbook was covered with 15 ports(=ugly).
I don't want to sound fanboy-ish but you got to be honest, the Unibody Macbooks are the best looking laptops on the market and I still wonder why no other company is able to produce such awesomeness. Even at this point (lets say) 95% of the laptops are still ugly plastic boxes.
So the question I'm asking is why don't other companies produce the same quality design? I'm sure companies like Samsung, Sony, HP have money enough to work on proper product design but they simply don't achieve anything near the Unibody.
Apple must be a creative magnet and I'm sure there is much more talent floating around at Cupertino but what Apple has achieved with Jonathan Ive is just impressive. The products they've created changed the industry(look at the smartphone market) so at some point I don't think Ivy is replaceable. Let's hope the cooperation between Apple and Ivy stays as it was.
And is it only me but a 29m paycheck is just a small nut for what he has done for Apple.
So what is the problem here? There are no bi-weekly flights from UK to USA to carry him for more or less regular meetings, while he videoconferences with them otherwise? Is it really that important for him to physically walk around the office in Cupertino?
I'm definitely hoping he'll stay at the company. I think Apple would do a better job with Ive in UK than some replacement. He's what we feel is "Apple" in many ways, at least minimalist hardware design-wise.
I'm definitely hoping he'll stay at the company. I think Apple would do a better job with Ive in UK than some replacement. He's what we feel is "Apple" in many ways, at least minimalist hardware design-wise.
Some of these comments are funny and (unfortunately) simplistic.
The point about him not being the only great designer IS true, but the problem is that he's been with Apple since 1992, so his design philosophy/style is evident in the evolution of Apple products.
I doubt just any good designer could come in and continue designing the evolution of Apple products in the same vein as what Ive would've produced (if he had stayed and if he does leave).
I'm saying that I think Apple products would just feel and look slightly differently, possibly unnaturally so.
Otherwise, Yves Behar is another great designer but he'd have to somehow stick with the style of Ive (since Apple is about incremental design updates) without throwing off the look and feel of Ive-inspired Apple products (18 years' worth).
Make sense? This isn't about just being a good designer. It's about a design philosophy that has become part of the Apple marque and how people recognize Apple products (what they associate with Apple products' look and feel).
Oh, and telecommuting is STILL no substitute for the energy and communication that can be exchanged in person. It just doesn't work as well. Ask anyone who's founded a startup and had to work from home/coffee shops on a regular basis, versus talking to the engineers sitting at arms' length in a small office. The creativity and brainstorming sessions are markedly different (more productive) than if they were coordinated via teleconference.
And I personally think if Johnny Ive has been considered by Jobs as his own successor, that consideration might go out the window if Ive turns around and demands a deal to keep him in Cupertino for significantly more than his current deal. If he basically extorts Apple (it's his right, I probably would, too) then I don't think Jobs would be fond of that. If Ive thinks he's in the running for future CEO, he should make a reasonable offer to keep him in Cupertino (allowing him to travel home X times per year or whatever he wants) and stay on the good side of Jobs until the decision for CEO successor has to be made.
The point about him not being the only great designer IS true, but the problem is that he's been with Apple since 1992, so his design philosophy/style is evident in the evolution of Apple products.
I doubt just any good designer could come in and continue designing the evolution of Apple products in the same vein as what Ive would've produced (if he had stayed and if he does leave).
I'm saying that I think Apple products would just feel and look slightly differently, possibly unnaturally so.
Otherwise, Yves Behar is another great designer but he'd have to somehow stick with the style of Ive (since Apple is about incremental design updates) without throwing off the look and feel of Ive-inspired Apple products (18 years' worth).
Make sense? This isn't about just being a good designer. It's about a design philosophy that has become part of the Apple marque and how people recognize Apple products (what they associate with Apple products' look and feel).
Oh, and telecommuting is STILL no substitute for the energy and communication that can be exchanged in person. It just doesn't work as well. Ask anyone who's founded a startup and had to work from home/coffee shops on a regular basis, versus talking to the engineers sitting at arms' length in a small office. The creativity and brainstorming sessions are markedly different (more productive) than if they were coordinated via teleconference.
And I personally think if Johnny Ive has been considered by Jobs as his own successor, that consideration might go out the window if Ive turns around and demands a deal to keep him in Cupertino for significantly more than his current deal. If he basically extorts Apple (it's his right, I probably would, too) then I don't think Jobs would be fond of that. If Ive thinks he's in the running for future CEO, he should make a reasonable offer to keep him in Cupertino (allowing him to travel home X times per year or whatever he wants) and stay on the good side of Jobs until the decision for CEO successor has to be made.
I suspect Steve Jobs or whoever wants to be in a position where when he says "I need a face-to-face meeting with Jon NOW" he gets Jon in 10 minutes, not a situation where 16 hours later he finds himself face-to-face with a completely jet-lagged Jon who can't even remember what day of the week it is.
Likewise, when at 6:00pm Steve decides he needs an urgent Facetime with Jon, he doesn't want to find himself talking to a man who's just been woken up at 2:00am in the morning.
I've tried it. It doesn't work.
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Where to begin?
The ecosystem ecosystem has grown out of control and needs to die. Please, please, people - stop using the word ecosystem!
This may come as a surprise to you, but a lot of people like the country they're from and don't want to live in the US. I spent 5 months in the US - it's nice enough, but I wouldn't want to live there. I expect you probably feel the same about living in your own country. Good for you.
It's important to distinguish between the tabloid press and the broadsheets. The Times, The Guardian, The Independent and the Financial Times are reputable papers which can be trusted (despite The Times being Murdoch-owned). The Daily Telegraph is right-wing but not entirely made-up. The Daily Mail is a right-wing rag which blames all the world's ills on female homosexual paedophile immigrant carcinogenic benefit scroungers and wouldn't know journalistic ethics even if they were explained in words of one syllable written using brightly-coloured crayons.
The ecosystem ecosystem has grown out of control and needs to die. Please, please, people - stop using the word ecosystem!
This may come as a surprise to you, but a lot of people like the country they're from and don't want to live in the US. I spent 5 months in the US - it's nice enough, but I wouldn't want to live there. I expect you probably feel the same about living in your own country. Good for you.
It's important to distinguish between the tabloid press and the broadsheets. The Times, The Guardian, The Independent and the Financial Times are reputable papers which can be trusted (despite The Times being Murdoch-owned). The Daily Telegraph is right-wing but not entirely made-up. The Daily Mail is a right-wing rag which blames all the world's ills on female homosexual paedophile immigrant carcinogenic benefit scroungers and wouldn't know journalistic ethics even if they were explained in words of one syllable written using brightly-coloured crayons.
Commute from Somerset to Curpertino? They're kidding, right?
Yea, and there going to buy him one of those electric cars theynuse in london, to comute with called the gwiz, but Ives is going to redesign it and call it the iwiz