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Apple's Jonathan Ive Considering Moving Back to England?

carmenodie said:
Ive is awesome beyond words but he is the VP not the head honcho of design. Besides, we have been to overwhelmed by online ************ about who does what at Apple and its so-called significance to the company. In reality, we don't know sh** about how Apple works. Nothing!!!!
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That's strange, Apple seem to think he's the head of design.

You should get in touch with them to let them know they've got it wrong. 🙄
 
g8orballboy said:
I agree... Make the man happy and keep him at all costs. He's the best designer this generation has and apple should bend over backwards to keep him around in ANY manner
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Maybe Apple should put their money in the US school system so that their best employees don't move to other countries so that their kids can go to better schools.
 
hit or miss, not uniformly bad

Thunderhawks said:
He also does have a point in that the education in USA is just plain bad with a few exceptions and wherever one looks the educational budgets are being cut more and more.
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Cupertino's (and nearby communities') schools are all ranked at the top tier of California schools.

This is primarily because Cupertino (and nearby communities) are also at the top tier for house prices - therefore the schools have more money in spite of California's tragic school funding structures.

Maybe Ive is just tired of 330 days a year of pleasant, sunny weather - and wants dark grey clouds and rain. 😉
 
Looking at AAPL, it's going to open up about $3.50 and not a word about this BS story manufactured by the british "press". Hope all you knee jerk posters have a nice day.
 
I would say that it is probably a good idea to keep Ive, but I know firsthand how difficult it can be to work on extremely detailed projects when you are not co-located. I'm not saying it is impossible, but Apple operates on pretty rigid timelines, and getting an answer in 5 hours vs 5 minutes would have a drastic impact on those timelines.

I say if he wants to go back to the UK, keep him on in an advisory role, but there is no way he should keep his current title. Besides, Jony Ive is not the only brilliant industrial designer in the world. There are plenty of people as good or better than him who would be willing to take the job.
 
I'm available for the job.

They know where to find me! 😀

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The guys designs basically made me an Apple fan. Up until around that time they weren't impressing me.

If he wants to move back, let him.
 
AidenShaw said:
Cupertino's (and nearby communities') schools are all ranked at the top tier of California schools.

This is primarily because Cupertino (and nearby communities) are also at the top tier for house prices - therefore the schools have more money in spite of California's tragic school funding structures.

Maybe Ive is just tired of 330 days a year of pleasant, sunny weather - and wants dark grey clouds and rain. 😉
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I guess these are what I listed as "a few exceptions"

It is however IMO fundamentally wrong and proves that it is wrong to link education to property taxes.
 
OllyW said:
He joined Apple in 1992. What are you on about? 😕
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Then I guess the book I have on Industrial Design is wrong. I'll make certain to inform the publishers.

Thanks! Have a nice day 🙂 (and here's a valium, it may help, you know, calm those nerves)
 
macall75 said:
Glad I bought my new macbook pro when I did, seriously this guy is amazing designer, apple cant afford to lose him,maybe they will set up another headquarters in england, I dont see why he cant work over the internet.
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Exactly. I don't know the in depth processes of designing a product for Apple but I'm sure they could hire him on as a consultant.
 
Fwink! said:
And the current look and feel has become so simplistic ANY industrial design grad could carry on the line.
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Then Apple should just rehire a new team of recently-graduated industrial designers to cut some costs with little impact, right?


Polymer advances mean that we can now create composites to meet very specific functional goals and requirements. From a processing point of view we can now do things with plastic that we were previously told were impossible. Twin shooting materials - moulding different plastics together or co-moulding plastic to metal gives us a range of functional and formal opportunites that really didn’t exist before. The iPod is made from twin-shot plastic with no fasteners and no battery doors enabling us to create a design which was dense completely sealed. Metal forming and, in particular, new methods of joining metals with advanced adhesives and laser welding is another exciting area at right now.

http://designmuseum.org/design/jonathan-ive
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Wrong. Simple is complicated.
 
AidenShaw said:
Maybe Ive is just tired of 330 days a year of pleasant, sunny weather - and wants dark grey clouds and rain. 😉
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A lot of the happiest people I've encountered in the US live in Portland and Seattle, where it rains all time and there is only 51 minutes of sunshine a year.
Most of the crazies and really depressed people I know live in Florida.

But as far as Mr Ive, he has done a marvelous job. I would hate to see him leave. As much as the board wants to nix Ive's plans, they probably cave in and allow his move. If he does leave & call it quits from Apple, I would suggest his replacement come from the Mazda design team. The Furai and Shinari concept vehicles are incredible. My two cents.
 
Let us see... iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, iChat and FaceTime... And Apple BOD won't let him commute?! Guess their actions just "commented" on Apple mobility, Apple in the Workplace, and Apple's tech in 2011! 🙄
 
bedifferent said:
Exactly! Couldn't have stated it better.
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And reading that old interview carefully, you get the sense of why it is that working remotely would be tremendously impractical, apart from the eight hour time difference between the UK and California. An example:

By keeping the core team small and investing significantly in tools and process we can work with a level of collaboration that seems particularly rare. Our physical environment reflects and enables that collaborative approach. The large open studio and massive sound system support a number of communal design areas. We have little exclusively personal space. In fact, the memory of how we work will endure beyond the products of our work.

http://designmuseum.org/design/jonathan-ive
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When the CEO of Apple or anyone who has the appropriate clearances wants to drop by various labs to have a chat and play, pick up and feel different prototypes and shells, it's a bit difficult to do when the workshop is almost 6000 miles away.

As far as the story goes, it's my hunch that it's a placed leak of some kind to leverage some internal dynamics within Apple's management.
 
Ive has done some very good things, however he is not the be-all end-all designer. There are a lot of amazing contemporary designers and in my opinion, many better. Apple systems have stagnated a bit in general design and overall look for a while now. Do I think he should go? No. Would I be crushed if he did? No. He could move on as a designer and some young, fresh, new talent could pick up and move on... most likely for the better.

Cook is the only real potential successor, so all of these Ive comments are rubbish on that front. It would never happen.

People's priorities change, money isn't an answer always. I'm at the same point myself in my professional career. I have 15 years in a demanding but well-paying field, the money no longer matters and it isn't my motivator. I can go do something I enjoy for a fraction of the money where I want to live and drop 90-100+ hour weeks.
 
AidenShaw said:
Maybe Ive is just tired of 330 days a year of pleasant, sunny weather - and wants dark grey clouds and rain. 😉
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Inspiration often comes from adversity. And for an artist (albeit a very practical one) exposure to a bit of environmental diversity doesn't hurt either.

Look at his early multi-color imacs. Were they a residual creative response from his pre-Apple years, trapped under a grey British sky? Would he have created them if he hadn't grown weary of the British climate?

Now look at his recent work. It's all cool grey aluminum and cold black glass. Is that a creative reaction to 20 years under the hot blue California sky? If he's going to stay fresh, something has to change, but I don't think that has to be the end of his career at Apple. In fact, he'd likely miss the sort of uncompromising (and very expensive) support for design at Apple. Machined aluminium and glass is expensive, but it feels great and encourages an emotional response from a customer. Something the flimsy, injection moulded plastic found elsewhere fails at. Would he be happy designing plastic boxes where his design brief is "make it cheap, and then take more cost out"? I think not.

They'll figure out a deal.
 
These are negotiations, folks. They are not pretty. For this reason, typically they are private. Oh wait, this is 2011, where everyone has to know everything about everybody else's business.
 
Daggone, went haywire on the ole iPad this AM!... Self-Delete, triplicate post! Sorry about that fellow posters. : (
 
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