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Apple's Jonathan Ive Considering Moving Back to England?
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Maybe Ive is just tired of 330 days a year of pleasant, sunny weather - and wants dark grey clouds and rain.
Maybe Ive just misses his Crunchie Bar, my mother's, God Rest her Soul, FAVORITE candy bar!
Oh Yeah! Mmmmm... Crunchy Honeycomb Goodness...
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LOL, so true! But I think the causality is that truly sane, happy people don't need the sunshine, so they are able to live in otherwise pleasant, beautiful places. In contrast, crazy, depressed people desparately hope the sunshine is going to fix them, hence move to places like Florida.
A lot easier to keep secrets in UK over Cali. It wouldn't be a bad idea actually. Apple would also be able to hire top talent who would otherwise not work in the US.
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Maybe Ive just misses his Cruchy Bar, my mother's, God Rest her Soul, FAVORITE candy bar!
See, that's what I mean about environmental diversity being important to a designer. One minute your idly chomping a Crunchie, next minute you're pondering the practicality of honeycombed aluminium.
Oh yeah, and if Ive had designed the iPhone in Britain - it'd be waterproof!
See, that's what I mean about environmental diversity being important to a designer. One minute your idly chomping a Crunchie, next minute you're pondering the practicality of honeycombed aluminium.
Oh yeah, and if Ive had designed the iPhone in Britain - it'd be waterproof!
You had a Crunchie bar too? When I visited England, finding Crunchie bars on my mother's behalf was my first order of business... Must admit, kind of got hooked on that honeycomb goodness myself!
Let us see... iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, iChat and FaceTime... And Apple BOD won't let him commute?! Guess their actions just "commented" on Apple mobility, Apple in the Workplace, and Apple's tech in 2011!
I think it speaks to their fears. How will the design team team run if the boss spends x months overseas? Will Ive not being around Cupertino full-time effect the cohension of his team? The distributed design/engineering team concept can work. See Boeing 787 and Airbus A380. That model can also fail. See Boeing 787 and Airbus A380. Given recent successes, the BOD doesn't want to rock the boat.
But given Apple's cash, paying a couple million to buy a studio for Ive shouldn't be any problem. Give him lots of paper, whiteboards, a couple of Macs & Cinema displays, FaceTime cameras and a few 3D printers. Maybe a TV with PS3. Pool Table.
Maybe Ive just misses his Crunchie Bar, my mother's, God Rest her Soul, FAVORITE candy bar!
Oh Yeah! Mmmmm... Crunchy Honeycomb Goodness...
Goddammit, now I want one!
Open a design studio in England, it would be good for Apple in the long run.
Actually, when you think about it, it would be a logistics nightmare because you wouldn't be able to look at new designs in person. Everything would have to be shipped back and forth and done over teleconferencing.
Still, I'd like to see a compromise in order to keep Ive on board. Still, Europeans would appreciate a greater Apple presence in Europe, and a design studio by Apple would be a great addition to any city.
Actually, when you think about it, it would be a logistics nightmare because you wouldn't be able to look at new designs in person. Everything would have to be shipped back and forth and done over teleconferencing.
Still, I'd like to see a compromise in order to keep Ive on board. Still, Europeans would appreciate a greater Apple presence in Europe, and a design studio by Apple would be a great addition to any city.
Not good. I know it's not a very nice thought but if Steve dies from his illness, it's been in the back of my mind that "well there's still Ive". If Apple ends up without either of them, it will certainly not be the Apple that we know today.
Not necessarily, 3D printing's pretty mature now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0m1cVqNsRA
And Apple gets to be closer to a lot of their non-US customers and intimately understand what their unique requirements are. Apple's customer base isn't just the US anymore. I'm surprised they don't already have some design activity going on in their overseas markets.
Exactly, may be him being in England would spawn a whole new creativity of design for vitual workspace.
Seems that if Ive is the rock star as people say he is and he's been a value-added employee for SO many years, accommodate the guy.
Otherwise, it sounds like he's going to jump ship and some other UK company will pick him up. It'd be like the Cubs getting Pujols.
Otherwise, it sounds like he's going to jump ship and some other UK company will pick him up. It'd be like the Cubs getting Pujols.
If he is so valuable to Apple, and I certainly think he is, you'd think Apple would be willing to do anything to retain his employment. I would think Apple would sooner build facilities in England and move an entire design team out there rather than lose John Ive. They should be willing to, especially if it is true that Jobs' health is beginning to really go down hill.
On the other hand, I get that, in terms of employment, Apple is a pretty small organization considering the amount of business they do, and I'm sure they are very integrated in Cupertino such that fracturing such a critical element of product design from the mothership could be a problem.
I hope this can all be resolved without losing Ive.
On the other hand, I get that, in terms of employment, Apple is a pretty small organization considering the amount of business they do, and I'm sure they are very integrated in Cupertino such that fracturing such a critical element of product design from the mothership could be a problem.
I hope this can all be resolved without losing Ive.
Then I guess the book I have on Industrial Design is wrong. I'll make certain to inform the publishers.
Thanks! Have a nice day
I'm totally calm, I just wondered what you were talking about as it even tells you when he started at Apple in the very first post of the thread.
Maybe Ive just misses his Crunchie Bar, my mother's, God Rest her Soul, FAVORITE candy bar!
Oh Yeah! Mmmmm... Crunchy Honeycomb Goodness...
On one note, I really want to try a Crunchie now. My biggest thrill last year was finding Zero bars back on the shelves here in the Northeast US. New candy is one of my favorite thrills of being alive.
Ah, the little things.On the other side of this thread, I'd like to exclaim, NOOO!!!!! I love Jony Ive - design is one of the most interesting and integral parts of any product, from cars to computers. I'd seriously fear for Apple when Ive leaves - he's the reason that Apple's image is what it is today.
I'd say Apple is wrong here. If the man wants to go back to the UK, he should be allowed to. If he still wants to work for Apple as well, Apple should be nothing less than honored. I see no reason why he shouldn't be both happy and prosperous. Here's hoping Apple wakes up, lets Jony do what he wants, and lets him work from home if he so chooses.
Maybe Ive just misses his Crunchie Bar, my mother's, God Rest her Soul, FAVORITE candy bar!
Oh Yeah! Mmmmm... Crunchy Honeycomb Goodness...
Why did you have to post my favourite candy?! So want...
you know sometimes money is not really matter. your family, friends, country... they are more important. priceless. I understand that he has missed so much England as much as I do. I think that he should return to the country, spend the rest of his life over there. Apple could always find talented designer with their resource power from all over the world. plus, Apple doesn't need to be stick with that iconic design anymore. I know Apple has always been innovative. so if they would choose different person, will it be hurt? NO. I think that it will be more profitable. Apple is not small company anymore. they can do whatever they challenge. so it's OK to let him go. it's not loss but gain.
You can't fully appreciate something until you're able to hold it in your hands. Feel the material, the weight and look at it from many different angles and in different lighting.
The weight in important, where your fingers end up being placed when you hold it, where all of the buttons and other things are located when you hold it.
Those are things you can't accurately reproduce through modeling. To really get a feel for something you have to have it in your hands.
There are as many benefits to Apple having a greater presence in Europe though, it would help them understand the local market better. It would probably also help Apple in terms of getting along better with the EUC regulators who play a more active role in consumer protection than in most parts of the world.
I want to say that I am big fan of Jobs and Ive and I loved all of his designs.
With that, Ive isn't without fault. Many of his designs, while aesthetically pleasing, have been technical nightmares and have had problems. Someone mentioned it in another thread about iMac and MBP designs as far as replacing parts or harddrives. What about the Macbook discoloration and cracking? iPods catching on fire or was that Macbook Pro's? iPhone 4 antennas or glass breaking? Replace the battery in a iPad or iPhone? Nope, just swap it out. Some of the laptop designs are questionable (to me) as well, regarding soldering of SSD and CPU's chips and stuff like that.
I'm not sensationalizing these issues but they are real. Maybe a change in design is what we need. Keep it minimalistic but allow for more easier upgrading instead of these closed designs. I dunno what the solution is, but Jonny Ive is not without fault in a lot of these designs.
My thoughts are that Apple can't survive a double whammy loss of Steve and Jonny. If they find a strong replacement for Jonny (if he leaves) and Steve is able to implant the "vision" to the new guy, they should be ok.
With that, Ive isn't without fault. Many of his designs, while aesthetically pleasing, have been technical nightmares and have had problems. Someone mentioned it in another thread about iMac and MBP designs as far as replacing parts or harddrives. What about the Macbook discoloration and cracking? iPods catching on fire or was that Macbook Pro's? iPhone 4 antennas or glass breaking? Replace the battery in a iPad or iPhone? Nope, just swap it out. Some of the laptop designs are questionable (to me) as well, regarding soldering of SSD and CPU's chips and stuff like that.
I'm not sensationalizing these issues but they are real. Maybe a change in design is what we need. Keep it minimalistic but allow for more easier upgrading instead of these closed designs. I dunno what the solution is, but Jonny Ive is not without fault in a lot of these designs.
My thoughts are that Apple can't survive a double whammy loss of Steve and Jonny. If they find a strong replacement for Jonny (if he leaves) and Steve is able to implant the "vision" to the new guy, they should be ok.
And I agree. For late-stage prototypes, you need the real deal.
But for lo-fi prototypes - where the questions being asked are simple, like:
- "Will this fit in my pocket? (and can I sit down without it jabbing me?)",
- "Does this workstation look intrusive in my living room?",
- "Can I grip this thing securely?"