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Hmmmm, but of the the things you mentioned above. Even the iPhone, with it's bluetooth, doesnt support a single one - and most likely will not. And the VOIP one - well, you already answered that :)

The touch will be much easier to hack, simply because I'm pretty sure that AT&T/Apple will be able to force updates for the iPhone, but the touch is something that would be much easier to ignore updates if they break compatibly with unofficial software.

Even if Apple doesn't force updates on the iPhone, having BT on the touch would make it that much more useful once someone hacks up usability for these things.
 
Is this possible with the iPod touch?

1. Create Keynote or PowerPoint presentation on Mac or Windows.

2. Save the Keynote or PowerPoint NATIVE application on the iPod touch.

3. Use the iPod touch as the ultimate presentation remote (wired or wireless).

I just asked this at the Apple store. You can load PDF documents thus the PDFs of Keynote and PowerPoint screens. There is no "official" way to run the presentation from the iPhone but we pretty much determined that if they were on the web you would be able to move through the pages (PDF or HTML). The trick will now be to get the pages or web document to display on a projector/screen. Someone will have to create that. There has to be a way to use the device as a remote.

This would be the absolute selling point for me. Being able to do a lecture without a laptop would be great. I've used an iPod Nano plugged into a laptop but believe it or not many facilities do not use Macs and their machines want to reformat the iPod. :mad:
 
Is this possible with the iPod touch?

1. Create Keynote or PowerPoint presentation on Mac or Windows.

2. Save the Keynote or PowerPoint NATIVE application on the iPod touch.

3. Use the iPod touch as the ultimate presentation remote (wired or wireless).
Sure, it's possible to do any or all of those things with the platform. It won't do any of those things out of the box, though, and 1 and 2 have nothing to do with 3. I wouldn't count on a presentation remote app being available for the iPhone platform any time soon, but a Keynote viewer would probably go over pretty well.

It'd be far easier to use a laptop with the Apple remote, though.
 
Hmmmm, but of the the things you mentioned above. Even the iPhone, with it's bluetooth, doesnt support a single one - and most likely will not. And the VOIP one - well, you already answered that :)

What do you mean iPhone doesn't support Bluetooth headphones for music? Yes it does, I use the BT8010 every day with my iPhone. And it should support any Bluetooth 2.0 device and previous Bluetooth versions.
 
I think an SDK will come when Apple gets some other things (like Leopard) out of the way. If Apple really is pressed for certain workers, then I'm sure they won't be prioritizing an SDK if they currently have a neutral stance anytime soon.

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This would be the absolute selling point for me. Being able to do a lecture without a laptop would be great. I've used an iPod Nano plugged into a laptop but believe it or not many facilities do not use Macs and their machines want to reformat the iPod. :mad:
If you format an iPod once on a Windows machine, so that it's FAT instead of HFS, as far as I know it should work fine on both Windows and Macintosh machines.
 
seems like good news to me (for the most part).

so there's no games for the iPod Touch, but what about iPhone games?


iPhone and iPodT will use the same Mac OS X operating system underneath.

The question of "Can you run games on the iPhone and iPodT?", the answer is yes. Will apple make such games? Ask apple. Will hackers make such games, the answer is They already have. NES, Aquarium, Balls, Butteryfly, FiveDice, LightsOff, Mines, MusicQuiz, Sketcher, TapTapRevolution, TicTacToe, BlackJack, Flashcards, iPong, iPowerHour, and iSaber are already native iPhone apps, and I can attest that each one of them works fine.

My educated guess is that if Apple releases games for the iPodT, then they will be available for the iPhone. They would be the same code.
 
I just asked this at the Apple store. You can load PDF documents thus the PDFs of Keynote and PowerPoint screens. There is no "official" way to run the presentation from the iPhone but we pretty much determined that if they were on the web you would be able to move through the pages (PDF or HTML). The trick will now be to get the pages or web document to display on a projector/screen. Someone will have to create that. There has to be a way to use the device as a remote.

This would be the absolute selling point for me. Being able to do a lecture without a laptop would be great. I've used an iPod Nano plugged into a laptop but believe it or not many facilities do not use Macs and their machines want to reformat the iPod. :mad:

I would assume that iPhone and iPod touch both have video out hardware, just like the old iPod30gVideo. Rumor is that Apple has not enabled this option yet.

If they do, then there how you get video out to a projector.
 
Mono

What do you mean iPhone doesn't support Bluetooth headphones for music? Yes it does, I use the BT8010 every day with my iPhone. And it should support any Bluetooth 2.0 device.

I am pretty sure you are only getting mono out of both ear pieces...
 
I can see the reasoning behind no 3rd party software on the iPhone... there's security issues to worry about, and there's also issues of people writing inefficient apps that hog wireless bandwidth (which is limited per cell tower, I think, and also hurts AT&T's bottom line on unlimited data plans), as well as the issue of bricking peoples phones with bad software which is far more of a PITA than for a non-phone device (that hardware is linked to a phone number/account, etc). There's also the idea that they are protecting revenue for their partners by making sure that some new feature is only available as a paid-for service, not a free third party app.

On the touch though, if something screws up your iPod royally you can just do a software restore and resync it, problem solved. I'm assuming that Apple will make changes that could stop 3rd party software if they uncover a security issue which they then fix (which could break any loophole that people are using to get 3rd party apps to run). However, I'm hopeful that this
means we'll see someone write both a generic installer for iPod touch apps, as well as some sort of unofficial library for XCode to help other people develop touch applications.

I also wonder if, as some other people have drawn some connections, that this is sort of a test to see what people want out of the touch without having to develop or support things that could fail. If there's lots of people who end up creating and using applications for the touch, Apple could make money selling licenses for 'approved' iPod touch software and sell it through iTMS like the do for games.

Anyways, this makes me much, much more interest in the touch, and assuming that a decent 3rd party/homebrew software community springs up I'll get one once they hit the refurb store.



There's not one proven case of someone truely bricking their iPhone due to a software hack. (maybe if they hacked it for a different carrier or other super-hack like that) But for apps, the answer is no, no one's bricked an iPhone that way.

You may freeze your phone, but you can then just reset it. Holding down home or home and top right power button.


Also, iPodTouch apps and iPhone apps will be the same. There's a whole movement that's already developed several dozen apps for the iPhone and they should work on the iPodT. Same OS underneath.


Everyone should have and use an iPhone before they speculate on what it will and won't do.
 
Software updates to the ipod touch and iphone seem to be one of the largest unknows in the future usability of the devices. Not only basic programs but the underlying OS structure. Are there any strong reasons that the hardware on the ipod touch couldn't play flash videos or run java games.

Apple's new ipod touch/iphone releases are a leap into a new area seperate from the other ipods because the touchscreen and operating system make it a much more flexible device. If the continue to update these devices with software, then they will have created a device that will take longer to be obsolete. On the other hand, if they only include those updates in future products, then they will short change all of the early adapters (well, i guess they DO do that) who were only looking for an easy software update (like mail or adding calendar entries).

Apple just released the first truely mobile computer that you can stick in your pocket, lets just hope they realize that.
 
There's not one proven case of someone truely bricking their iPhone due to a software hack. (maybe if they hacked it for a different carrier or other super-hack like that) But for apps, the answer is no, no one's bricked an iPhone that way.

You may freeze your phone, but you can then just reset it. Holding down home or home and top right power button.


Also, iPodTouch apps and iPhone apps will be the same. There's a whole movement that's already developed several dozen apps for the iPhone and they should work on the iPodT. Same OS underneath.


Everyone should have and use an iPhone before they speculate on what it will and won't do.

My point was that since the iPhone is service dependent (it's a cell phone) AT&T and/or Apple could require an update to continue using it, and that update could break whatever hacks are being used to get 3rd party software working. The iPod touch, however, is not a service dependent product, so even if Apple releases an update that broke a hack(s), you don't have to install it, and you should be able to downgrade from it if you do.

It's nothing against the iPhone homebrew community, it's just a matter of the type of device it is. I'm sure most/all of the apps for one device will be used on the other, it's just the touch could be a bit more hacker friendly if AT&T/Apple decide to require software upgrades at some point.
 
What about the new nano?

A bit OT, but what do you guys think about 3rd party apps on the nano? I like the new nano quite a bit, but I'd absolutely love it if it had a calculator - I find I need it pretty often. Any chance hacker/developers might develop apps for the new nano? I guess the apps would be a bit limited by the input (no keyboard), but I see no reason in principle why some kinds of useful apps might not be developed...
 
A bit OT, but what do you guys think about 3rd party apps on the nano? I like the new nano quite a bit, but I'd absolutely love it if it had a calculator - I find I need it pretty often. Any chance hacker/developers might develop apps for the new nano? I guess the apps would be a bit limited by the input (no keyboard), but I see no reason in principle why some kinds of useful apps might not be developed...

No one is going to develop apps for the iPod Nano. There isn't a reason to.
 
No one is going to develop apps for the iPod Nano. There isn't a reason to.


There have been though. On the older ones, install iPod linux and you get a slew of free apps. I haven't tried it though and no telling when it will be new nano compatible (video iPods are still a little iffy)
 
There have been though. On the older ones, install iPod linux and you get a slew of free apps. I haven't tried it though and no telling when it will be new nano compatible (video iPods are still a little iffy)

Great... there's hope then :)

Oh, and to the other poster... "need" is defined by the person who has the need. I need a calculator and some other apps on the nano, and that by definition means there is a need for them (and I doubt I'm the only one).
 
Heh, maybe someone could create a third party app to unlock the gimped video out function of the iPod classic. And who thought a lack of bluetooth was bad? :p
 
I think it is good news...

I am not sure exactly WHAT new application I would like for my iPhone. Maybe the ability to add any OS X widget would be great, anybody have any thoughts on the subject?

This really is great news, in my opinion.

Of course, Apple could always change their mind, release a new firmware update and just say, "oh, this is to fix such and such a problem".

Still, really good news :).

It doesn't make my decision between an activated (w/ no service) iPhone or Touch any easier though :(
 
Sure, it's possible to do any or all of those things with the platform. It won't do any of those things out of the box, though, and 1 and 2 have nothing to do with 3. I wouldn't count on a presentation remote app being available for the iPhone platform any time soon, but a Keynote viewer would probably go over pretty well.

It'd be far easier to use a laptop with the Apple remote, though.

I don't expect my iPhone to run my Keynote presentations, at least not the ones with complex transitions, builds, and other effects. Even my 3 year old Macs have trouble with them.

What I would like, though, is something that lets me see the current and upcoming slides on my iPhone, as well as control the presentation.
 
Your logic is sound, but it's unlikely. The iphone and ipod have different form factors (iphone is taller and thicker from what i hear), and we know that there isn't a CDMA transceiver. The two facts combined mean that the board was probably significantly rerouted anyway, so no reason to keep the bluetooth chip in there.


Didn't the teardowns of the iPhone show it had two boards stuck together?

Not sure what was each board, but i'd imagine one is the mainboard running OS x the other is treated as an personnelity card in the case of the iPhone it would be all the phone parts. Given how common Bluetooth is in phones these days you'd imagine it would be hard for apple could pick up a phone chipset that didn't integrate bluetooth.

I guess when the teardown come along for the iPod touch it will be missing the second board or the second board will just have the flash memory.
 
Hackable phone, here come the complaints.

I can see why Apple wanted to keep the iPhone closed. All these hacks are coming out and I for one think it's all getting messy. Take the iToner. With the iPhone update, Apple could have done an update and known that it will work. All the happy little iPhone users would have docked and BANG, a new update and everyone would be happy. Now, we have some "usefull" 3rd party apps. That's nice and all, but what does Apple do. Do they honour the people who bought the phone, happy in the fact that it was exactly what they wanted, or does Apple now have to worry about writing updates that will not accidentally over-write the 3rd party apps code etc... Then all the people who just had to have these useless apps on a phone that you KNEW would be closed, will complain that they have to re-install the hacks, and do the new setup etc...
God, I think if these people wanted a phone to run all these little apps, they would have bought a phone that allows it. Now people will complain that Apple is doing the wrong thing again. I think it's just a little crazy. Where do they go from here? I think the phone should stay closed, let apple create the apps they want and if you don't like that, buy another phone. You are allowed to! Don't ruin it for the people who want the nice phone / ipod / internet package that it is now.
 
I don't expect my iPhone to run my Keynote presentations, at least not the ones with complex transitions, builds, and other effects. Even my 3 year old Macs have trouble with them.

What I would like, though, is something that lets me see the current and upcoming slides on my iPhone, as well as control the presentation.

I wonder if it would be easier to get Keynote to web publish the Presenter Screen maybe with controls then just have a mini hooked to the projector with webhosting open on wifi.

Now the cool thing here would be to have a seperate audience slide that was wifi web published as well during presentation.
 
Just very careful what i install on my computer now. If Adobe is considered a 3rd party, then of course i have 3rd party software. (i'm kinda confused on what 3rd party is..... when i hear that, i think of the freeware/shareware stuff that is out there....those kinds of things, i'm not talking about big programs) If something came out for the Touch, i just wouldn't install it right away.

No offence, but you need to be less paranoid, and know what '3rd party' means.... and yes, that means Adobe, in fact, ANYTHING that isn't Apple.


There's a lot of very good freeware / shareware applications out there.. and very little malware...

As for installing 3rd party apps on iPod Touch - very little difference between installing 3rd party apps on your Mac Vs Touch. I really don't know why you draw a distinction between the two.
 
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