Apple's Latest Ad Takes Aim at Microsoft's 'Laptop Hunters' Campaign

[Eidorian]

Yet I prefer it to any desktop PC I've ever had, homebuilt or otherwise. That must drive you nuts.

I see a vain attempt to elicit some sort of response before you pitch Microsoft troll at me.

I'd love to see this miracle 5-minute PC build. YouTube video please?

By the time I research and choose compatible CPU, case, fans, power supply, mobo, video card, RAM, hard drive; find the best prices, order everything, unbox it all, screw it all together, install the OS and the drivers, and power it on, I'm into it many, many hours. But I'm just a mere mortal, unlike you.

I could do it in one click on NewEgg. That's a story for another day though. Building a computer is my hobby and not my day job. I'm not going to drop a money making, mission critical task, etc. before I've ever even bought, built, or tested any computer. I wouldn't expect it from you either

Odd, I'm not the one telling people "You could have built it yourself for $X."

Do you wander through restaurants telling people they could have cooked for themselves at home for a lot less? You should try it - I'd be interested to see how receptive people are to your wisdom.

My iMac was expensive. And worth every penny.

I never asked you to justify your purchase. Why did you feel the need?

 

[Sehnsucht]

x86 the salvation and downfall of Apple.

Pardon my ignorance, but could you elaborate on that? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean.

 

[LagunaSol]

I never asked you to justify your purchase. Why did you feel the need?

Who is justifying anything? Just stating a fact.

 

[michael.lauden]

Hasn't this ad crap ran its course? Come on guys, both the MS and Apple ads are dumb. Do people really buy a $1000+ product based solely on a silly commercial?

If people really are sheep to marketing, we have bigger problems in this world than Mac vs. PC.

i think it's more or less the principle. Apple's ads have been going on for a LLLLLOONG time and dissing PC pretty HARSH BR0. but Microsoft's new ads are completely spelled out for the viewer (which may make sense to our dwindling society) - Apple fanboys are just mad because while i give it to you that they are a little ridiculous and IMO wrong information is given (i need processing power, how much RAM does this have, Macs are too expensive but here is a 1700 laptop i just bought)

i have to say one thing who cares

 

[Pnut13]

Better yet, run Windows in VMware (or Parallels) like I do and have the two running seamlessly side by side (or the occasional reboot for some Windows-only gaming).

I used to have the two-computer setup. PowerMac G4 MDD (ah, the NOISE!) and a homebuilt PC (ah, the NOISE!) running side by side (THE NOISE!!!) with a KVM acting as mediator. Wow, I don't miss those days at all.

Thank heavens for the Intel switch. Best move Apple ever made.

I have a 10 year old dell that in its day was the noisest computer i have ever witnessed, and i happened to own it

I'm not going to pay Apple's outrageous prices for their hardware in order to play a game though. Apple's desktop market is relatively dead but their laptops are a fine solution if you're willing to cut corners to run OS X on what you do get inside of the shell.

Windtunnel was corrected more or less and I suggest you research some quiet hardware for your PC. CoolerMaster, Lian Li, and Antec are a good place to start.

For $500 you can get more power then you'll ever need if you build your own machine. Try out Windows 7 for free too.

it is funny how you mantion coolmaster and lian li and antec as add ons in one paragraph and then the next you say that you can get a great machine for $500
a cheap computer case maybe $100
a run of the mill power supply $60,
a internal hdd $60
mother board $100-$200
Memory $50 (approx)
Video card $50-$100
dvd burner $30

but this is a low end, cant do **** computer that probably will buy a person minimal RAM that will be slow as molases on Windows 7 and a video card that would lag on any OS (Linux, Unix, etc)

and windows 7 stinks....it is not a a step up from Vista, because it doesnt fix any major problames Vista had, Hardware incompataability, and some software too. and the constant reboots and freezing popular in all windows environments

 

[Eidorian]

Pardon my ignorance, but could you elaborate on that? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean.

PowerPC nostalgia for the most part and the "better hardware" days for Apple. Cheap iBooks and the single socket Power Mac G4 come to mind. You also get the wonderful direct comparisons now based on specifications.

Who is justifying anything? Just stating a fact.

Fact based on my suggestion of building a $500 computer? I'm surprised that you'd consider me such an authority.

I never said you had to or it was the best solution. Nor that it was somehow better than any Mac on the market or every other computer that is out on the market.

I only said "if you build you own machine". I guess that makes concrete fact that you must build it and its apparent superiority.

I don't expect you to justify your iMac and I hope that you don't expect me to justify why I spent my money on something else. It's my money and choice, just like yours is yours. I have no idea where you came up with these outrageous actions and expectations of me.

it is funny how you mantion coolmaster and lian li and antec as add ons in one paragraph and then the next you say that you can get a great machine for $500
a cheap computer case maybe $100
a run of the mill power supply $60,
a internal hdd $60
mother board $100-$200
Memory $50 (approx)
Video card $50-$100
dvd burner $30

but this is a low end, cant do **** computer that probably will buy a person minimal RAM that will be slow as molases on Windows 7 and a video card that would lag on any OS (Linux, Unix, etc)

and windows 7 stinks....it is not a a step up from Vista, because it doesnt fix any major problames Vista had, Hardware incompataability, and some software too. and the constant reboots and freezing popular in all windows environments

I don't think you realize how much power is in $500 of computer hardware today. Regardless on how you come to get that $500 of computer hardware.

 

[gkarris]

and windows 7 stinks....it is not a a step up from Vista, because it doesnt fix any major problames Vista had, Hardware incompataability, and some software too. and the constant reboots and freezing popular in all windows environments

That would be opinion. Win7 is pretty great, it fixes most of the problems with Vista, especially running it on less-powerful machines. I've had no problems running the Beta on two much older laptops.

As far as the other stuff you mentioned - well, that's just Windows...

 

[Pnut13]

i think it's more or less the principle. Apple's ads have been going on for a LLLLLOONG time and dissing PC pretty HARSH BR0. but Microsoft's new ads are completely spelled out for the viewer (which may make sense to our dwindling society) - Apple fanboys are just mad because while i give it to you that they are a little ridiculous and IMO wrong information is given (i need processing power, how much RAM does this have, Macs are too expensive but here is a 1700 laptop i just bought)

i have to say one thing who cares

you obviously care when you say Apple is "dissing PC pretty HARSH BR0."

and saying they are "completely spelled out" is wrong.......when they go to the Macbook pro and air and compare that to a POS HP, but totally ignore the much more favorable macbook, then they are not spelling it out....in fact they are framing what the people say to make them look better.
On top of ignoring why people leave PC's in the first place.....they are always constantly need of patches, and system scans and reliabilty issues and compatablity of software that was "made for windows" on teh box. Seems like you are deflecting (by saying) everything is wrong with MAc, when in fact everything you mention is wrong with PC's

and somehow you are not a fanboy but anybody who likes macs better than pc's are???

 

[polaris20]

and windows 7 stinks....it is not a a step up from Vista, because it doesnt fix any major problames Vista had, Hardware incompataability, and some software too. and the constant reboots and freezing popular in all windows environments

That's an opinion, and a largely uninformed one at that. How about trying an OS before you slam it?

Also, please try Firefox, with it's built-in spell check. An error here or there is normal, but your posts border on the unreadable.

 

[thespazz]

I have a 10 year old dell that in its day was the noisest computer i have ever witnessed, and i happened to own it


it is funny how you mantion coolmaster and lian li and antec as add ons in one paragraph and then the next you say that you can get a great machine for $500
a cheap computer case maybe $100
a run of the mill power supply $60,
a internal hdd $60
mother board $100-$200
Memory $50 (approx)
Video card $50-$100
dvd burner $30

but this is a low end, cant do **** computer that probably will buy a person minimal RAM that will be slow as molases on Windows 7 and a video card that would lag on any OS (Linux, Unix, etc)

and windows 7 stinks....it is not a a step up from Vista, because it doesnt fix any major problames Vista had, Hardware incompataability, and some software too. and the constant reboots and freezing popular in all windows environments

You obviously haven't used Windows 7. Nor have you actually tried to spec out a $500 computer.

I mean, $100 for a cheap CASE? Come on. And $60 for a PSU? Really? You can get those for $75 combined. Hard drives are $40 and motherboards are around $75. You can get an amazing video card for $80-90 that will run all the latest games, memory is even cheaper. You can get 4GB for ~$20.

All is left is the processor and some loose odds and ends. You can get an amazing system for $500. I wish I had $500 to drop on a system, I'd love to build me something new.

Windows 7 is also very stable. I haven't had one single problem with it (nor did I with Vista). Anything that has gone wrong is ALWAYS due to user error. In fact, I'm willing to be over 90% of all computer problems are caused by user error.

 

[Pnut13]

I don't think you realize how much power is in $500 of computer hardware today. Regardless on how you come to get that $500 of computer hardware.

actually i do, i used to put together computers for friends.........(forget i forgot cables above) the thing is that pro PC guys try to do is compare barebones PC's with MAcs that are way more powerfull and try to make the price difference more extreme that what it is. People have teh right to disagree with anti Mac/pro PC agendas on here (especially that this is a mac forum)
another thing, when people Vista and 7 on an inferior machine ($500) it loooks very bad, but what you need to understand that even on great PC rigs and even on Macs Vista and Win 7 still are not up to par with Ubuntu Linux or Mac OS in reliability and needs for patches, fixes, updates, etc.

That would be opinion. Win7 is pretty great, it fixes most of the problems with Vista, especially running it on less-powerful machines. I've had no problems running the Beta on two much older laptops.

As far as the other stuff you mentioned - well, that's just Windows...

If you have a less powerful machine maybe.......but what about these great gaming machines teh PC fanboys use when their 360 breaks again?

I have a "powerfull" iMac and Windows 7 still sputtered with the taskbar frezing, the infamous, "windows program has an error and windows has to shut it down" messages. Windows 7 is nothing more than a piece of **** with a bow on it, it no matter how anyone slices it is still crap.

 

[Pnut13]

You obviously haven't used Windows 7. Nor have you actually tried to spec out a $500 computer.

I mean, $100 for a cheap CASE? Come on. And $60 for a PSU? Really? You can get those for $75 combined. Hard drives are $40 and motherboards are around $75. You can get an amazing video card for $80-90 that will run all the latest games, memory is even cheaper. You can get 4GB for ~$20.

All is left is the processor and some loose odds and ends. You can get an amazing system for $500. I wish I had $500 to drop on a system, I'd love to build me something new.

Windows 7 is also very stable. I haven't had one single problem with it (nor did I with Vista). Anything that has gone wrong is ALWAYS due to user error. In fact, I'm willing to be over 90% of all computer problems are caused by user error.

yes i have on my mac, and it was terrible, and now i donet even use Parrallels, ijust use Mac OSx.

This i never had something go wrong with it is just a statement of opinion that all of us are supposed to just take at your great word??? come on

"always by user error"..so when i tried to load Roxio Creator 09 and the second time i ran it it came back with "program has to be shut down" (and everytime afterwards) so i was supposed to know that the thing was that a driver in my microsoft laser mouse interfered with a file in the Roxio creator program, because it was my error right?@!?! give me a break, ms is never the problem it is always "the user" or the "software manufacturer", i feel bad if you still believe that (even though you have not proven a single thing)you believe that right???......oh wait i have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you

 

[LagunaSol]

I have no idea where you came up with these outrageous actions and expectations of me.

Um, where are the "outrageous actions and expectations" exactly?

It does get tiresome to hear the "build your own!" diatribe again and again here on MacRumors, since building your own is 1) typically for the Windows/Linux-oriented user (to whom these particular forums don't cater), 2) technically illegal if you want to use OS X, and 3) beyond the desires of 99% of the people here. These forums are about Macs and Mac users. The implied (sometimes subtly, sometimes not so much) "You idiot, you could build a PC waayyy cheaper than for what you just paid for your Mac" posts grow wearisome (I'm not talking about just you, but a whole cast of characters who recently are trying to turn MacRumors into TomsHardware).

We get it. You can build a PC cheap. Windows is for cheapskates (and Linux even more so). Doing it yourself is cheaper than having someone else do it for you. And any other "No duh!" statement you'd like to make.

My question is why doesn't Microsoft point out the virtues of building your own computer in their ads? Now that would open up a can of worms, hmm?

 

[LagunaSol]

and somehow you are not a fanboy but anybody who likes macs better than pc's are???

Bingo.

 

[Eidorian]

Um, where are the "outrageous actions and expectations" exactly?

Yet I prefer it to any desktop PC I've ever had, homebuilt or otherwise. That must drive you nuts.


Odd, I'm not the one telling people "You could have built it yourself for $X."

Do you wander through restaurants telling people they could have cooked for themselves at home for a lot less? You should try it - I'd be interested to see how receptive people are to your wisdom.

My iMac was expensive. And worth every penny.

You said it yourself.

 

[LagunaSol]

Windows 7 is nothing more than a piece of **** with a bow on it, it no matter how anyone slices it is still crap.

But it's less crappy than before, which in the Windows world means UNBELIEVABLY GREAT!!!

(Disclaimer: yes, I've used Windows 7. I don't get what all the hype is about - must be the "less crappy than before" thing...)

You said it yourself.

What? Telling a diner he could grill himself a steak for less is more "outrageous" than telling someone on MacRumors he/she could build his own computer for less?

Curious.

 

[celtikmind]

well they are still 2nd place when it comes to computers, but have been making inroads in sales, so they should stop because you think that reapeating messages gets old (which they are not, they bring up many different faults of PC's not just try to bang home the same old argument) then you should have the same response to the "laptop hunters" ads that attack macs with different faults.......but hold onto that, and come up with some excuse why the PC ads are different, like they are "witty" or "intellegent"

Also it is funny that you bring up unibody macs that overheat, when MS makes a piece of hardware, for video games that both the original and teh 360 overheat.

Wow, are putting these words together yourself or do you have a bot for that?

First, Apple are the ones claiming supremacy. Second, don't care that much what MS does as my point was about Apple's ads. Besides Apple is the company I'm mostly interested in what they're doing.

So get your wires in order, smart-ass and read the posts for once!

now you can read minds and you know that most mac users just bought a Mac for its loooks (this argument is getting old fast)

Comparing a MAc with a pc, you know that it is the mac premium they are paying for, and surprise some people actually will pay a little extra to get something that has a less chance of breaking.

Bringing in Mac pros is another thing because you know that most people dont need that much power, simila to these "gaming rigs/boxes" that people constantly have to "update" to play the newest games.

Quality is not important to Apple? how about Vistas constant issues, Xbox 360's myriad of issues.......worry about MS than Apple because they have far more issues than a few supposed ones Appple has

Last thing, why the hell would someone want a iMac and a PC, when they can use bootcamp and buy windows to put on there mac......once again an Mac pro is not what most people need, let alone the people in teh "laptop hunters" ad campaign.......but keep on going off subject with things that have zero to do with MS ads.

Quality is no longer the main concern, no. Check the i.e. MacBook forum here on MR and see for yourself what kind of troubles people have with their Macs. Making money is however, at least according to Apple themselves.

Better yet, run Windows in VMware (or Parallels) like I do and have the two running seamlessly side by side (or the occasional reboot for some Windows-only gaming).

Tried doing anything professional in VMware like i.e. heavy CAD, have you? Or do you just start it to brag and piss on it? Sure, you could reboot but it be whole lot of rebooting, jumping between applications when you could have them side by side. You don't have to do it the way Apple tells you to, you know!

Keyword is redundancy - what do you do when your single, supremely infallible Mac breaks cause they tend to eventually? Then you can sit there posting with your iPhone while your darling goes to the shop for 2+ weeks... You think Apple's going to give you a loaner because you're overzealous in your loyalty?

Both of you, keep this blind bashing on every Mac-user who doesn't conform to your fanboyism and you'll chase people away from Mac.

I'm sorry, I just don't have your fanatic tenacity so I don't know why I really bothered since you're not interested in the subject half as much as you are in touting your own words.

 

[LagunaSol]

Tried doing anything professional in VMware like i.e. heavy CAD, have you? Or do you just start it to brag and piss on it?

Um, yeah - I do "professional," billable work in VMware all the time. No, I don't do CAD, so I don't know if it would be a viable solution for CAD work.

Keyword is redundancy - what do you do when your single, supremely infallible Mac breaks cause they tend to eventually?

Nice straw man. I think the "supremely infallible" description is your own creation. As for my "single" Mac - I assume you have an array of PCs sitting there so that when one goes down you can immediately resume work on another. A good idea if you're using Windows, BTW...

Then you can sit there posting with your iPhone while your darling goes to the shop for 2+ weeks...

I wouldn't know, I've never had this happen.

Both of you, keep this blind bashing on every Mac-user who doesn't conform to your fanboyism and you'll chase people away from Mac.

Easy there, I think you're foaming at the mouth.

And I hardly consider myself "blind" as I use both OS X and Windows all day long. And I've built my own PCs too. Your lame "fanboy" label is pointless and vapid.

 

[celtikmind]

Nice straw man. I think the "supremely infallible" description is your own creation. As for my "single" Mac - I assume you have an array of PCs sitting there so that when one goes down you can immediately resume work on another. A good idea if you're using Windows, BTW...

One beside my MacBook Pro is enough and it works well without any major trouble. I can do the drawings on one and have the referred material on another screen. The Mac plainly sucks when it comes to CAD, besides I have to use what my market use. The PC has actually given me far less trouble than what my most recent Mac has, unfortunately.

Now, don't you go off on another preaching there, it's just my personal experience and not something taken from an internet "article" or any vague generalization.

I wouldn't know, I've never had this happen.

Good for you then. Really, cause I can only tell you this, I haven't heard anyone telling me they had this marvelous support from AppleCare that it's supposed to have. Perhaps it's different over there but again, personal experience as that's the only thing I know for real. I've only read about the marvelous ones on the internet, and we all know how reliable that info is...

Easy there, I think you're foaming at the mouth.

And I hardly consider myself "blind" as I use both OS X and Windows all day long. And I've built my own PCs too. Your lame "fanboy" label is pointless and vapid.

You can see me drinking beer? Use your own 'iSight' instead of hacking someone else's!

But seriously then, let me hear one thing, one major gripe you have with Apple or their OS X? Here 'boy, something juicy to prove me wrong then...

 

[LagunaSol]

You can see me drinking beer? Use your own 'iSight' instead of hacking someone else's!

Beware the green light next to your iSight camera.

But seriously then, let me hear one thing, one major gripe you have with Apple or their OS X? Here 'boy, something juicy to prove me wrong then...

Why does my massive 24" iMac only have 4 USB ports? And only 1 Firewire port? And why can't Apple integrate a card reader so I don't have to have an external one cluttering my desk?

Why do Apple "price cuts" often entail removing accessories that are cheap for them to make (i.e. iPhone dock), which they then turn around and sell for exorbitant prices? Lame.

Why does Apple refuse to create a mid-price tower, a la the old $1,500 PowerMacs?

Why take 2 years to implement a simple feature on your flagship device (i.e. copy/paste on the iPhone) when you know all your detractors are deriding you publicly for its omission?

Why can't Apple be more Dell-like in keeping up with current processors and GPUs in its machines? Do we really need to wait 8 months for a refresh?

Why does my silver and black iMac have a white mouse and a white keyboard with a white cord?

Why can't they put a fraking number pad on the Bluetooth keyboard?

I could go on and on, but you get the point...

EDIT: Oh, and the Mighty Mouse sucks rocks. Try playing a two button shooter with a mouse that doesn't allow you to click both buttons at once. Grrr. Sadly my wired non-Apple mouse died. Time for a replacement I guess. It's sad that the Logitechs and Microsofts of the world can come up with a better mouse than Apple.

 

[Pnut13]

That's an opinion, and a largely uninformed one at that. How about trying an OS before you slam it?

Also, please try Firefox, with it's built-in spell check. An error here or there is normal, but your posts border on the unreadable.

um thanks
FYI i use Firefox with my Mac at home, but at work i have to use IE because i am on a windows 2000 environment that they dont let you download anything onto your computer (for obvious security reasons and saving a whole lot of headaches)
And on my typing, well you can still read it, so does it matter? that they "border on the unreadable" but yet you can read and understand them enough to respond to me?!?! does that make any sense to you??

Bingo.

Wow, are putting these words together yourself or do you have a bot for that?

First, Apple are the ones claiming supremacy. Second, don't care that much what MS does as my point was about Apple's ads. Besides Apple is the company I'm mostly interested in what they're doing.

So get your wires in order, smart-ass and read the posts for once!



Quality is no longer the main concern, no. Check the i.e. MacBook forum here on MR and see for yourself what kind of troubles people have with their Macs. Making money is however, at least according to Apple themselves.



Tried doing anything professional in VMware like i.e. heavy CAD, have you? Or do you just start it to brag and piss on it? Sure, you could reboot but it be whole lot of rebooting, jumping between applications when you could have them side by side. You don't have to do it the way Apple tells you to, you know!

Keyword is redundancy - what do you do when your single, supremely infallible Mac breaks cause they tend to eventually? Then you can sit there posting with your iPhone while your darling goes to the shop for 2+ weeks... You think Apple's going to give you a loaner because you're overzealous in your loyalty?

Both of you, keep this blind bashing on every Mac-user who doesn't conform to your fanboyism and you'll chase people away from Mac.

I'm sorry, I just don't have your fanatic tenacity so I don't know why I really bothered since you're not interested in the subject half as much as you are in touting your own words.

Making money is teh concern, is that a quote from Jobs or a higher up? or am i supposed to blindly believe you?
Saying that there are issues with mac books ok fine, but there is not issues with desktops or their servers or with the iphone or ipods......it just seems like you say look some people have problems with 1 product and so "Apple sucks!!!!!" (that is what you are implying)

saying that Macs tend to break is a very general comment because
1) all computers break over time
2) ive known of PC brands, like Dell, who have made garbage machines the last few years or Acer who was known to put used parts in new machines (that ended up breaking more than anyother computers)
3)It might or might not happen, unlike MS's Xbox 360 that will almost guaranteed break (and teh only way they dont break is if they are only used 3 or 4 times)
4)implies that they break more often, when you take them as a line of products break just as much as other PC's (Even including the supposed Macbook defects)
As I said all your proof has never been proven by outside independent parties, otherwise you would quote them......i have read a lot and seen alot of issues with windows 7 and 360's and zunes to know MS breaks more than they should (for me and most consumers, obviously not you though, because you are a fanboy)

 

[celtikmind]

Beware the green light next to your iSight camera.



Why does my massive 24" iMac only have 4 USB ports? And only 1 Firewire port? And why can't Apple integrate a card reader so I don't have to have an external one cluttering my desk?

Why do Apple "price cuts" often entail removing accessories that are cheap for them to make (i.e. iPhone dock), which they then turn around and sell for exorbitant prices? Lame.

Why does Apple refuse to create a mid-price tower, a la the old $1,500 PowerMacs?

Why take 2 years to implement a simple feature on your flagship device (i.e. copy/paste on the iPhone) when you know all your detractors are deriding you publicly for its omission?

Why can't Apple be more Dell-like in keeping up with current processors and GPUs in its machines? Do we really need to wait 8 months for a refresh?

Why does my silver and black iMac have a white mouse and a white keyboard with a white cord?

Why can't they put a fraking number pad on the Bluetooth keyboard?

I could go on and on, but you get the point...

EDIT: Oh, and the Mighty Mouse sucks rocks. Try playing a two button shooter with a mouse that doesn't allow you to click both buttons at once. Grrr. Sadly my wired non-Apple mouse died. Time for a replacement I guess. It's sad that the Logitechs and Microsofts of the world can come up with a better mouse than Apple.

You sir, have my apology for accusing of you being 'fanboyant'!

As for a mouse, after many "experiments" I settled on a Logitech MX518. Great speed (when at max) and a balanced number of buttons for exposé et al. Looks may be something that leaves you wishing but it's concealed in my hand so it doesn't bother me much. Apple's mouse give me the cramps, guess my palm is too large. Either way, it's all personal preference.

 

[celtikmind]

Making money is teh concern, is that a quote from Jobs or a higher up? or am i supposed to blindly believe you?
Saying that there are issues with mac books ok fine, but there is not issues with desktops or their servers or with the iphone or ipods......it just seems like you say look some people have problems with 1 product and so "Apple sucks!!!!!" (that is what you are implying)

Jobs' own words during an interview, as I remember it was back in October '08 when he was asked about the possibility of an OS X netbook. Regardless, they're a company and as such, of course they're looking for ways to increase margins. What I'm saying is that they're becoming greedy due to their increasing sales and popularity as of late.

Apple sucks? If I refer to personal experience - hell, yes. I bought Apple thinking quality and so far I've been through three MacBook's Pro, being on the fourth and it's having hardware problems too. All of this with a 'Pro'-computer costing me $2300 bucks as opposed to one for $1400? What would you call it? Extremely bad luck and just move on. Somehow, after reading your posts for a while I don't think you would either. To me, it appears as Apple's QA is slipping.

My iPhone is mostly OK, though that doesn't surprise me as it's mostly what Apple's focusing on. Annoyingly it's lacking some features a $100 phone has, though I hope Apple corrects that soon, like MMS, setting first day of week to Monday, being able to pickup iCal's to-do list and so on.

The G5 I had before switching to PC's for a while made a strange buzzing noise unless I turned off the 'nap' function for the CPU's. The PSU they replaced it with had the same noise. Famous problem, check Google. Very strange for a premium quality computer imo.

That will have to do for now.

 

[Pnut13]

Jobs' own words during an interview, as I remember it was back in October '08 when he was asked about the possibility of an OS X netbook. Regardless, they're a company and as such, of course they're looking for ways to increase margins. What I'm saying is that they're becoming greedy due to their increasing sales and popularity as of late.

Yes all companies do so, i am surprised Jobs said it, doesnt fit his MO to me, but i was wrong!

Apple sucks? If I refer to personal experience - hell, yes. I bought Apple thinking quality and so far I've been through three MacBook's Pro, being on the fourth and it's having hardware problems too. All of this with a 'Pro'-computer costing me $2300 bucks as opposed to one for $1400? What would you call it? Extremely bad luck and just move on. Somehow, after reading your posts for a while I don't think you would either. To me, it appears as Apple's QA is slipping.

maybe, but that is your experience, it still does not sound like a wider issue than say Dells problems with desktops (known recently) or HP with notebooks (as of 2-3 years ago, i dont know if they have fixed it) my point is that it doesnt sound like more than 4-6% of the whole line of Mac Books which is an industry, and god, an electronics manufacturer has that much of a percentage. So Apple t ome sounds average, could they be better, yes, but so could IBM or Acer or HP or Dell or......
To compare: Also not to bring up the beloved [sarcasm] MS their xbox 360's hav had as high as a 60% problems due to RRod or gamer disk scratching or over heating the apple numbers dont look that bad at all. It is all perspective

My iPhone is mostly OK, though that doesn't surprise me as it's mostly what Apple's focusing on. Annoyingly it's lacking some features a $100 phone has, though I hope Apple corrects that soon, like MMS, setting first day of week to Monday, being able to pickup iCal's to-do list and so on.

I dont think they are at all, if you look at the MAc vs PC ads very few that even mention the iphone or ipod, all are on the Mac lines whether macbook or iMac, etc...so really are they so focused on the iPhone, i wouldnt have bought an ipod because i have heard they are realiable neat players. (i dont need a cell) I am sure they will fix that iCal stuff, if enough people complain they will.....unlike MS which will blame other software manufacturers or ask you to bring themn your 360 for them to fix.

The G5 I had before switching to PC's for a while made a strange buzzing noise unless I turned off the 'nap' function for the CPU's. The PSU they replaced it with had the same noise. Famous problem, check Google. Very strange for a premium quality computer imo.

That will have to do for now.

the G5 seems a long time ago, it is like bringing up the shortcommings on the Xbox 1, when teh 360 has been out for a while now.
Look i am not saying your issues are not rare, i am just saying that it isnt as bad as you or others make it seem. That is why i mention the 360 a lot, it is not to trash MS but to compare that the Apple issues arent as wide spread
...and i am sorry to hear your issues with your Apple products, i have only had a mac for 3 months and a ipod for about that time, and no problems so far, hopefully so for a long time. Best of luck.

 

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As for a mouse, after many "experiments" I settled on a Logitech MX518.

Not ambidextrous? I like to switch mouse hands during gaming to keep the ole carpal tunnel at bay.

And not Mac compatible?