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Apple's Latest Ad Takes Aim at Microsoft's 'Laptop Hunters' Campaign
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Pshaw. Only Mac users qualify for the "smug" label, don't you know?
Windows users are simply knowledgeable.
[extreme sarcasm]Oh of course. Truth be known, the only reason I spent $2,800 on a MacBook Pro is so I can sit in Starbucks with it and the attention of all the other Starbucks customers will immediately be drawn to the pretentious glowing Apple logo and they'll think, "Wow, he's the coolest ever and I'm just the scum of the earth with this HP here." After I have driven everyone to ashamedly hide their PCs inside paper bags, I'll then fly to a few third-world countries like Somalia or Uganda and make all those poor starving people feel even worse.
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Seems that way.[extreme sarcasm]Oh of course. Truth be known, the only reason I spent $2,800 on a MacBook Pro is so I can sit in Starbucks with it and the attention of all the other Starbucks customers will immediately be drawn to the pretentious glowing Apple logo and they'll think, "Wow, he's the coolest ever and I'm just the scum of the earth with this HP here." After I have driven everyone to ashamedly hide their PCs inside paper bags, I'll then fly to a few third-world countries like Somalia or Uganda and make all those poor starving people feel even worse.
Note: Seems.
I brought this up in the last ad thread. I even quoted you.
If someone else wants to take it that way, that's unfortunate. But thankfully not my fault.
Sadly that's not going to change their perception. Not that you can do much about it anyways.If someone else wants to take it that way, that's unfortunate. But thankfully not my fault.
Once again, the pot calls the kettle black.No - we don't dislike Apple.
We dislike the stereotypical Apple customers - like the smug, arrogant jerk that Justin Long plays in the Apple adverts....
And relate they do - on a larger scale, the Pentagon, in tandem with The White House, have almost completely switched over to OS X and Linux, for reasons pertaining to security and stability. I know of two law firms, as well as six recording studios which have moved to OS X. It seems that security, reliability, efficiency, and simplicity matter to some organizations, and these attributes can be better attained through an environment other than Windows.And for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the Apple ads being FUD, tell that to two people I know who this very week had viruses wreak major havoc on their PCs.
Maybe they were just brainwashed by Apple's dishonest marketing...
Again, if the Apple ads didn't ring true with hundreds of millions of Windows users, Apple wouldn't keep running them. The ads are effective because Windows users can relate to them.
by the very words of Bill Gates
No - we don't dislike Apple.
We dislike the stereotypical Apple customers - like the smug, arrogant jerk that Justin Long plays in the Apple adverts....
There are many who love their Macs, but not Apple or their focus on aesthetic design, limited hardware range, etc. at the expense of practical computing benefits. To example: integrated graphics in some non-upgradeable & fairly expensive iMacs. I'll try to pre-empt the usual stock reply to this (not necessarily from you though): "Stop whining! You want upgradable, buy Mac Pro or get a PC!
No - we don't dislike Apple.
We dislike the stereotypical Apple customers - like the smug, arrogant jerk that Justin Long plays in the Apple adverts....
Not so sure I like either today. The old Apple was much more thought-through and quality focused. The new Apple is all about fancy gadgets and getting rich fast. Quality rides in the back these days.
I do like OS X and my MacBook Pro though (when it isn't trying to fry itself). Do I think they could be better? Do I think they could update the looks of SL even more? Hell yes!
Up this point you had a good argument. Then it slipped when you proclaimed Apple being infallible in their ad campaign...
[extreme sarcasm]Oh of course. Truth be known, the only reason I spent $2,800 on a MacBook Pro is so I can sit in Starbucks with it and the attention of all the other Starbucks customers will immediately be drawn to the pretentious glowing Apple logo and they'll think, "Wow, he's the coolest ever and I'm just the scum of the earth with this HP here." After I have driven everyone to ashamedly hide their PCs inside paper bags, I'll then fly to a few third-world countries like Somalia or Uganda and make all those poor starving people feel even worse.
Oh, come now. Sarcasm aside, just admit that at least a small reason for you buying a Mac were due to the design and being happy to show it off. Whether it being the main reason or not doesn't really matter. Everybody loves attention to some extent and if you didn't like the design...
There are many who love their Macs, but not Apple or their focus on aesthetic design, limited hardware range, etc. at the expense of practical computing benefits. To example: integrated graphics in some non-upgradeable & fairly expensive iMacs. I'll try to pre-empt the usual stock reply to this (not necessarily from you though): "Stop whining! You want upgradable, buy Mac Pro or get a PC!
Only one problem, you would probably get both an iMac and a PC for the price of one Mac Pro with a display. Then you would have the added bonus of internet access redundancy if either one would break... In fact this could be applied to most PC vs. Mac buyer's arguments.
I just wish I could hear a Mac "loyalist" admit that they cost more than PC's. It's just some mild form of hypocrisy saying that they don't. Apple have admitted it themselves, why can't you?
Only one problem, you would probably get both an iMac and a PC for the price of one Mac Pro with a display. Then you would have the added bonus of internet access redundancy if either one would break... In fact this could be applied to most PC vs. Mac buyer's arguments.
I just wish I could hear a Mac "loyalist" admit that they cost more than PC's. It's just some mild form of hypocrisy saying that they don't. Apple have admitted it themselves, why can't you?
I agree. Maybe I've put it badly, or too indirectly, but that's what I meant to say. The stock Apple supporter reply I refer to holds no credibility to me whatsoever & I think Apple are losing a lot of sales by not addressing some of the points you've made. Hence, though I may love my Macs - excellent hardware engineering, intuitive OS, etc. - my next purchase is likely to be a PC, not to replace my Macs but additional to them.
I consider myself a fairly typical Apple purchaser. I buy the products I like and consider the best of breed regardless of manufacturer. Sometime this is Apple, sometimes not.
For example, my Macbook is clearly the best general usage laptop on the market. However, the new Shuffle is a piece of nonsense and inferior to the Sansa Clip. These are just two examples.
I do not understand the ridiculous need to defend a large multinational corporation or, conversely, to come up with nonsense about a competing corporation. It's all a bit Guelphs and Ghibellines.
For example, my Macbook is clearly the best general usage laptop on the market. However, the new Shuffle is a piece of nonsense and inferior to the Sansa Clip. These are just two examples.
I do not understand the ridiculous need to defend a large multinational corporation or, conversely, to come up with nonsense about a competing corporation. It's all a bit Guelphs and Ghibellines.
Thank you, I was beginning to feel a bit lonely in here.
What? Haven't heard this one before? Where's it from? Curious...
Odd, I don't see the word "infallible" (or anything like it) in my comments...
That said, the anti-Mac ad tirades grow tiresome. The Winbots rage against the Apple ads for being dishonest. I'd love for them to back this up WITH SOME ACTUAL FACTS.
Here are some ACTUAL FACTS, as presented in Apple's ads:
Apple offers Apple Geniuses to help you, Windows PCs don't: FACT
Windows UAC in Vista is annoying and intrusive: FACT
Macs don't suffer the virus issues that Windows PCs do: FACT
Windows PC users get the software (OS) vs. hardware customer service runaround, Mac users don't: FACT
Macs are the top notebook for college college students: FACT
Vista comes in a confusing range of SKUs/price points: FACT
Consumer PCs come pre-loaded with bloatware/trialware: FACT
Macs come with better digital media software out of the box: FACT
I could go on and on, but you can do your own research now.
Do these ads over-dramatize the difference between Macs and PCs? Of course. That's what ads do. Just like Microsoft telling you it costs $30,000 to fill your iPod with music, or that a $500 laptop is great for a filmmaker.
Again, the Mac ads work because most Windows PC users have actually felt the pain that Apple is exploiting. If these ads were full of lies as the Winbots would have you believe, the general public would know it BECAUSE THEY USE WINDOWS EVERY DAY.
It ain't rocket science, people.
In fairness the references to PCs above should be prefaced with 'some'. Good quality PCs come with excellent, home based service plans (the mobo on my MESH blew. It was replaced on site the next day), full support and lack bloatware.
Also, the 'confusing SKU' doesn't really fly anymore. The vast majority - I'm guessing upwards of 80% - of new consumer PCs will come with Vista HPx86. Some low powered machines will come with Visa HB and some will have x64 variants (this is a free choice - the licence allows you to install either x86 or x64). W7 will folow this pattern too all I expect x64 to become the default over time.
You forgot one:
The next Apple ad being a run-of-the-mill, exactly like the one before, not thinking differently: FACT
Apple Geniuses? Thought they were called fanboi's, or was that in the eighties? Either way, I've yet to see or hear one being able to reply to any true technical questions I've had so far. I've had more help in forums for that: FACT
Also guess you haven't had the runaround, getting stuck between Apple and the reseller then... I have. FACT
Just to let you know your research might have one or two holes in it...
Hasn't this ad crap ran its course? Come on guys, both the MS and Apple ads are dumb. Do people really buy a $1000+ product based solely on a silly commercial?
If people really are sheep to marketing, we have bigger problems in this world than Mac vs. PC.
If people really are sheep to marketing, we have bigger problems in this world than Mac vs. PC.
Majority of Windows 7 Installations Will Be 64-bit
This article says that 25% of Vista systems are x64 - which implies that the current x64 percentage is probably in the 50% range. (Microsoft announced that 20% of new Vista installs were x64 a year ago - but haven't updated that statistic.)
Windows 7 will be the last client OS to offer an x86 version. Windows 7 Server (aka "Windows Server 2008 R2") is x64-only.
You personally don't like ads that have been statistically very effective and the general public loves. This makes you the odd man out. The only fact is that that's your opinion - the statement itself is untrue.
Well, of course they're facts.. They're your own personal experiences. But that still doesn't prove any point you're trying to make. I can provide you with a huge list of these "facts" based on my experience that, by your logic, prove Windows is an inherently unreliable, utterly unstable, mindlessly aggravating PIA that is an insecure, undependable OS incapable of productivity. I realize many people use it and don't have any trouble - but I don't go around trying to use my experience to prove 'facts' simply because I personally detest the system. To do so would make me immature and unreasonable.Apple Geniuses? Thought they were called fanboi's, or was that in the eighties? Either way, I've yet to see or hear one being able to reply to any true technical questions I've had so far. I've had more help in forums for that: FACT
Also guess you haven't had the runaround, getting stuck between Apple and the reseller then... I have. FACT
It's unfortunate that you've had bad experiences with Apple service, but that's very unusual going by the the numbers.
Are you denying they're not repetitive? I would think Apple themselves have provided the facts for that.
Of course I present my opinions based mainly on my experiences. I do not try to masquerade them as anything else. Why should I? Those are the only facts I can honestly present to you. Any moron could produce this, or that chart saying this, or that on the internet today making whole 'FACT' thing claiming in fact rather dubious at best.
I don't care more for Windows 7 than what it can do for me. Can't it provide me with an equal or good enough experience to what I have now? For less expenses? Of course I'm interested in their development, I would be stupid if I wasn't.
But my main concern is what happens with Apple and what direction they're taking since that's what I use today. The ads show very clearly to me that they're stuck in their old, repetitive tracks while Microsoft is redesigning the whole Windows experience. Why don't Apple come up with something new? Why are they slacking in security (Java) on OS X? Is the iPhone and gadget making taking too much of their attention?
I'll go with Apple as long that it suits me. I'm not a Mac loyalist, I'm a Mac user. When they no longer perform, they perish. Simple as that and this is true and stated, fact.
oh ok but you quoted him.......to make a point then i made that mistake and you seem to be obsessed with it when the point that he made that actually relates to the topic at hand (the laptop hunters ads) you seem to not be too obsessed with
thank you very much.......please try the fish
well they are still 2nd place when it comes to computers, but have been making inroads in sales, so they should stop because you think that reapeating messages gets old (which they are not, they bring up many different faults of PC's not just try to bang home the same old argument) then you should have the same response to the "laptop hunters" ads that attack macs with different faults.......but hold onto that, and come up with some excuse why the PC ads are different, like they are "witty" or "intellegent"
Also it is funny that you bring up unibody macs that overheat, when MS makes a piece of hardware, for video games that both the original and teh 360 overheat.
well they are in 2nd place and trying to gain some new customers, this is what apple and many different companies in apples position do......and to say "they started it" is very hypocrityical, because I know Microsoft has done this same type of thing in teh video game console wars with Sony and Nintendo.
I dont think anybody has seen these Mac ads and said to themselves "oh those Mac guys are so stuck up" Opinions tend to change overtime, not right away. I think the typical PC user played by that Daily Show corespondent, is meant to show that even a smart nerdy looking guy is not right all the time (see me I am nerdy)
exactly, the majority of people that are not computer geniuses like most here on this forum, only care that things work, not that you have to do a, b, c and d to make a PC work properly. When you only have to do a and maybe b on a mac people like this because it conforms to their needs and wants, not what some pro PC guy said on a mac forum......once again great post!I said I've been using Windows since 1993. I didn't say I last used Windows in 1993.
And for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the Apple ads being FUD, tell that to two people I know who this very week had viruses wreak major havoc on their PCs.
Maybe they were just brainwashed by Apple's dishonest marketing...
Again, if the Apple ads didn't ring true with hundreds of millions of Windows users, Apple wouldn't keep running them. The ads are effective because Windows users can relate to them.
And if Vista were such a winner as you seem to believe, Microsoft wouldn't be in such a rush to shoo it out the door and usher in its replacement.
yup, it is a mac forum and yet people dont get why their opinions are not trolling..................and usually this is called "projection", because most people that hate something as much as these anti Mac guys do, just are miserable and know their points, in their hearts add up to nothing but PC/MS fanboyismI have never heard you refer to any Apple product in a positive light. Everything is always "epic fail" to you. And at times you yourself can also be quite the "smug, arrogant jerk."
Is there an Apple product you don't dislike?
[sarcasm to PC guys]yup and might i add that they must be right (automatically) because PC's still hold majority of market share[/end sarcasm]Pshaw. Only Mac users qualify for the "smug" label, don't you know?
Windows users are simply knowledgeable.
There are many who love their Macs, but not Apple or their focus on aesthetic design, limited hardware range, etc. at the expense of practical computing benefits. To example: integrated graphics in some non-upgradeable & fairly expensive iMacs. I'll try to pre-empt the usual stock reply to this (not necessarily from you though): "Stop whining! You want upgradable, buy Mac Pro or get a PC!
Not so sure I like either today. The old Apple was much more thought-through and quality focused. The new Apple is all about fancy gadgets and getting rich fast. Quality rides in the back these days.
I do like OS X and my MacBook Pro though (when it isn't trying to fry itself). Do I think they could be better? Do I think they could update the looks of SL even more? Hell yes!
Up this point you had a good argument. Then it slipped when you proclaimed Apple being infallible in their ad campaign...
Oh, come now. Sarcasm aside, just admit that at least a small reason for you buying a Mac were due to the design and being happy to show it off. Whether it being the main reason or not doesn't really matter. Everybody loves attention to some extent and if you didn't like the design...
Only one problem, you would probably get both an iMac and a PC for the price of one Mac Pro with a display. Then you would have the added bonus of internet access redundancy if either one would break... In fact this could be applied to most PC vs. Mac buyer's arguments.
I just wish I could hear a Mac "loyalist" admit that they cost more than PC's. It's just some mild form of hypocrisy saying that they don't. Apple have admitted it themselves, why can't you?
now you can read minds and you know that most mac users just bought a Mac for its loooks (this argument is getting old fast)
Comparing a MAc with a pc, you know that it is the mac premium they are paying for, and surprise some people actually will pay a little extra to get something that has a less chance of breaking.
Bringing in Mac pros is another thing because you know that most people dont need that much power, simila to these "gaming rigs/boxes" that people constantly have to "update" to play the newest games.
Quality is not important to Apple? how about Vistas constant issues, Xbox 360's myriad of issues.......worry about MS than Apple because they have far more issues than a few supposed ones Appple has
Last thing, why the hell would someone want a iMac and a PC, when they can use bootcamp and buy windows to put on there mac......once again an Mac pro is not what most people need, let alone the people in teh "laptop hunters" ad campaign.......but keep on going off subject with things that have zero to do with MS ads.
Better yet, run Windows in VMware (or Parallels) like I do and have the two running seamlessly side by side (or the occasional reboot for some Windows-only gaming).
I used to have the two-computer setup. PowerMac G4 MDD (ah, the NOISE!) and a homebuilt PC (ah, the NOISE!) running side by side (THE NOISE!!!) with a KVM acting as mediator. Wow, I don't miss those days at all.
Thank heavens for the Intel switch. Best move Apple ever made.
I'm not going to pay Apple's outrageous prices for their hardware in order to play a game though. Apple's desktop market is relatively dead but their laptops are a fine solution if you're willing to cut corners to run OS X on what you do get inside of the shell.
Windtunnel was corrected more or less and I suggest you research some quiet hardware for your PC. CoolerMaster, Lian Li, and Antec are a good place to start.
For $500 you can get more power then you'll ever need if you build your own machine. Try out Windows 7 for free too.
My brand new 24" iMac appears perfectly alive and well.
Been there, done that.
Thanks, but no thanks. That $500 sounds like a real bargain until you add up all the time needed to research the components, place the orders, assemble everything, hope and pray that it all works when you hit the power button and don't have to deal with a defective part (or parts) and the various return policies that go with it, and ultimately I end up with a ghetto-looking box that doesn't run OS X - at least not without a lot of tinkering, and I have better things to do with my time.
I still don't understand why people are so concerned about what I spend my money on. I've built my own PCs before. It's no longer worth the grief to me.
Oh, and I have tried out Windows 7 for free. On my Mac.
It's nice for a non-portable laptop.My brand new 24" iMac appears perfectly alive and well.
Your work is my 5 minutes of hobby time.
You seem to be many times more concerned than I.
x86 the salvation and downfall of Apple.Oh, and I have tried out Windows 7 for free. On my Mac.
Yet I prefer it to any desktop PC I've ever had, homebuilt or otherwise. That must drive you nuts.
I'd love to see this miracle 5-minute PC build. YouTube video please?
By the time I research and choose compatible CPU, case, fans, power supply, mobo, video card, RAM, hard drive; find the best prices, order everything, unbox it all, screw it all together, install the OS and the drivers, and power it on, I'm into it many, many hours. But I'm just a mere mortal, unlike you.
Odd, I'm not the one telling people "You could have built it yourself for $X."
Do you wander through restaurants telling people they could have cooked for themselves at home for a lot less? You should try it - I'd be interested to see how receptive people are to your wisdom.
My iMac was expensive. And worth every penny.