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Apple's Latest Updates Re-Enable Apple Intelligence on Some Devices
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Honestly, this is a "pointless" feature, but the Genmoji are super fun.
The one I use a good bit is the "concise" feature, not sure if you've noticed, but I can be quite wordy - while I don't really mind that for MacRumors, I do for work, so that comes in handy. I've also started using "proofread" on important emails.
Honestly, I use ChatGPT much more frequently than Apple Intelligence. Apple Intelligence is fine for what it does, but right now I find the value in AI to be research and content generation, which is definitely not what Apple Intelligence is designed for.
There should be.
Especially when countries are demanding full (backdoored) access.
And after I already intentionally disabled photo sync! The setting should stay that way!
Actually - what I was referring to is Microsoft's constant tendency to change user settings - re-enable things after the user took deliberate action to make a change already. Edge is very prone to this, but also various Windows settings (as well as it being close to impossible to turn off Copilot now in Office apps).
I get what you are referring to (Windows Recall) but that's very different for various reasons.
A great point about how much more prescient these concerns are becoming around what settings and features a user may have disabled
It’s things like this that Apple is slowly but surely pushing me to go buy a huawei, etc. Apple constantly talking out of both sides of their mouth. When a consumer doesn’t want the function, quit forcing it on them. Tim Cook still refuses to acknowledge that Apple intelligence is hardly being used by consumers and it’s because it’s not wanted in the first place. I myself haven’t seen AI being turned back on by itself on my devices but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it did.
You need to enable Siri for long enough for it to complete. Once it completes AI will be turned on and you can then turn it off (but not it seems delete the download). I had this last time. I think all their testing assumes everyone uses Siri.
If you don’t like features being pushed on you, you’re going to love Huawei’s “send all my private data to China” feature. They don’t even give you an opt out of that one!
You’re expecting the CEO of a company to publicly announce “our new OS’s tentpole feature is hardly being used”? Seriously? Even if that’s true, and I suspect it isn’t, it’d be career suicide to do so. Hell, it might open him up to shareholder lawsuits.
Again, Apple turning a feature on that a customer has turned off is wrong. However the amount of hand-ringing about an entirely optional feature that can be ignored if on, fined tuned to only offer the parts of it you want, or even turned off entirely is very amusing.
Apple Intelligence is effectively a follow-on to the rest of Siri. Ever since they released, Siri, I've been getting the "welcome to
... and then I go into settings and turn off "listen for 'Hey Siri'", because I do not want Siri triggering that way (on my iPhone/iPad/Watch/etc.). I want to only be able to trigger it with the side button - the only thing I have that listens for "Hey Siri" are my HomePods, at home (and they're set to only respond to "Hey Siri", and not just "Siri" - sometimes I have to go reiterate that decision after updates, too).
Every time I say "yes, I want Siri to work" (because I do), Apple quietly re-enables having Siri listen for a trigger phrase, forcing me to go turn that part of the feature off. Again. I had already clearly indicated my preferences by enabling Siri and setting it only to trigger on a physical button press (the last time, and the time before, and...). And if I say, "no, I don't want Siri to work" instead, I'd get the "well, we'll prompt you later in settings to set it up" path. It's frustrating.
Clearly, Apple has an idea of how they expect this feature to be used (even though they include options to change its behavior), and they consider any attempt to use it differently to be a mistake on the part of the user, to be corrected (I see the hubris of this line of thinking a lot in software design).
So... this isn't new behavior... but that doesn't mean it's good behavior.
My experiences over time have mirrored yours @CarlJ
I'll quit banging on about it in here, but suffice to say that I don't appreciate Apple doing this
(or simply not caring enough to ensure what I've turned "off" ... stays "off")
I'll quit banging on about it in here, but suffice to say that I don't appreciate Apple doing this
(or simply not caring enough to ensure what I've turned "off" ... stays "off")
Agreed. This is a big part of behavior in the tech culture and among the tech bros. And, without getting into politics, we can see more of the same from such people in the nation’s capitol lately.
I’ll posit you have no metrics on how many apple customers who have eligible phones have apple intelligence turned on and using it and find useful.
Any opinion other than an official apple statement is coming from a position of bias.
I don't see what the big deal is. Just opt out again if you don't want to use AI.
Every time I update iOS, it re-enables Wi-Fi. I have to then turn Wi-Fi off again.
Every time I update iOS, it re-enables Wi-Fi. I have to then turn Wi-Fi off again.
Probably a bug and can be annoying, but at least there is an option to turn it off later. For me, don't have any issues as I like it to be on for all my devices.
The problem with AI, or Wi-Fi, or listening for "Hey Siri" (or probably a handful of other settings), is them doing it silently with no notice. If those things are changed, what else has changed? Should I have to check all my other settings? Should I have to look to see if my Apple Pay accounts are still hooked up right? Where does Apple publish the list of user's explicit preferences that they override, so I know what to check after each update?
If they're making changes and not telling you what those changes are, how can you trust the system?
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Maybe not to Huawei, but they have certainly started to get me thinking do I actually need any of their tech at all, or is it all just a nice to have. Problem is when they start forcing stuff on you that you don't want, or aren't interested in, it quickly stops being a 'nice to have'.
I guess we are all kind of locked into needing a smart phone for banking etc, but we certainly don't need the latest models and processors for that kind of stuff. Very bizarrely, downgrading from a 16PM to a refurbished 14P (coming today) kind of excites me in the way iPhone upgrades used to 😂
For the record, I'm not totally against 'AI'. I briefly use it on a daily basis for brainstorming and ideas, and it's great for that. But I'm not forced to install the tools I use for it, it's not embedded in my machine. And that's the way I prefer it.
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Whether you don't think that's a big deal or not, it's basic stuff that they can't get right. We all have different standards of what to expect from an operating system. For me it just needs to sit there and do the basics right so I can do my work without worrying about things that shouldn't be happening.
At the very least, at OS level, you should be able to trust a toggle or a tickbox setting to remain.
And on my Mac it keeps on disabling itself.
It’s toggled on but it says 100% downloaded and I’ve to periodically turn it off and on to get it to work again.
Utter rubbish.
It’s toggled on but it says 100% downloaded and I’ve to periodically turn it off and on to get it to work again.
Utter rubbish.
In all the years i've been on iPhone it's never re-enabled siri after an update and this is twice now they've turned this AI crap on, I have the feature disabled on purpose, why aren't they at least asking during to OOBE after an update
Yep -- the turning AI back "on" feels very intentional
It's not the experience a lot of us expect from Apple
I am so friggin happy right now.
I’ve sent my 16PM back as I’ve figured the only real way to opt out of this beta testing was to get a device that doesn’t support it. I like the Apple hardware even if the current software sucks. Refurbished 14P arrived today (immaculate condition - basically a new phone) and not only does it not run Apple intelligence it shipped with iOS 17 installed! (Despite Apple telling me it would ship with 18)
Paired with my downgrade to Sonoma on the Studio and the dream team is back together! 🎉🥳
I’ve sent my 16PM back as I’ve figured the only real way to opt out of this beta testing was to get a device that doesn’t support it. I like the Apple hardware even if the current software sucks. Refurbished 14P arrived today (immaculate condition - basically a new phone) and not only does it not run Apple intelligence it shipped with iOS 17 installed! (Despite Apple telling me it would ship with 18)
Paired with my downgrade to Sonoma on the Studio and the dream team is back together! 🎉🥳
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It stinks of desperation, doesn’t it?
That's how it feels to me, yeah
I've been hesitating to go that far so as to avoid the wrath of the Apple Defense Force on the forum, but yeah ... it just seems desperate
If AI is so "great", then make a proposition to folks after an update and let them decide if they'd like to activate it and try it out (or not)
I think that's a bit much. Did it "stink of desperation" that they turned on, say, StandBy without asking people if they wanted it on? What about CarPlay playing enabled by default? It's a big new feature, and honestly it's a little surprising to me that it wasn't enabled to begin with on 18.1. Most users aren't going to go through settings to see what's new. My guess is they were being conservative with 18.1 and 18.2, but given they see it as part of the OS moving forward, it makes sense to default to it being on. That's not to say that if someone has intentionally turned it off the a software update should turn it back on, but I think people's distrust/dislike of AI in general is leading people to assume ill intentions here.
Again my suspicion isn't that it's some great big conspiracy because not enough people are using Apple Intelligence, but rather a bug related to the fact that 18.3 was the version that "turned it on" by default for everyone. Still not a good look for Apple, but I don't see a reason we should assume malfeasance.