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Apple's LG UltraFine 5K Display Now Available for Purchase for $974 [Updated]
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you're trivializing. please name one other 27" with a 5K resolution with thunderbolt 3 priced at under $1k. Please name just one. Where is the premium? even at its original $1,300 its priced competitively. Dell sells its 5K at $1,500 and its not even TB3, but no one accuses Dell or slapping on a premium.
$1300 is pricy, $1500 is even pricier, and at this point for just another hundred or two (assuming you get it for a deal) you can get the iMac 5K which is a 5K all-in-one computer. I was tempted to just fork out another $300-500 to get the iMac 5K instead of just a standalone display, but because of the price reduction to $975 I went with the standalone.
I don't think it's overpriced, but the thickness of the upper bezel just pisses me off. Ah well, fottunatly the focus will be just on the display.
Good luck finding a new 5K imac for $1600, but yeah, just under $1K for a display plus well over $2K for a comparable laptop makes it a tough sell. But hey, I bought a Quadra 700 (CPU alone) for $3K back in '93.
"Apple has enough major shareholders with way more money than you..."... yeah that makes them tech visionaries?
"I imagine they're pleased with the way things are financially"
Your arguments are typical finance dweeb ones that people like Jobs attributed to bozos
Speaking of which (I always for get to ask the graphic designers); how wide a gamut do these new embedded GPUs have?
Can you really see 16-bit Pro RGB gradients without those terrible looking truncated gradations? One thing I can say for Adobe Lightroom 4.4 is that the colors and gradients "dither/resample" really well from Pro-RGB-16bit RAW file down to a 1MB optimized sRGB JPEG. It's odd because I think the JPEG conversion algorithm is a little better than the one in PS CS6. Please shed light on this.
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The USB-C connection speed is overkill unless you are viewing RAW images or footage at 100% 16-bit ProPhoto gamut or 100% Adobe gamut. Waiting to see what the playback FPS is on these monitors. Hope it's great, otherwise there's been a lot of wasted engineering on emojis and thin disposable stuff.
If you really are only using a single Mac then no, it doesn't matter... but these displays won't even work with current
My MBP is my main machine, used 90% of the time, but there is also...
...an old Mac Pro 1.1 stuck on Lion, with an ancient copy of Adobe Photoshop/Premiere/Flash on it that I sometimes need to open old projects, and (because its easy to juggle the discs) occasionally boot into Windows XP or Linux for testing/experimenting.
...a Raspberry Pi (2 actually - one for experimenting and the other is the DNS/DHCP server for my home network)
...a PC box which was a media PC running PVR software but I'm now using as a Hackintosh to try out Sierra and, long term, may use to run Windows 10 or linux
...an always-on Linux server with my backup drive and other shared, bulk storage. Mostly headless, but if it goes wrong or I'm tweaking it, a display is useful.
...my old employer-owned MacBook (DisplayPort only) which I don't use much but keep roughly synced with my main MacBook in case my main machine goes wrong.
I have 2 monitors on my desk, each of which is connected to 2-3 devices so I can display the output from any of those devices when needed.
Do I actually need all of those devices? You might as well ask whether I need a $3000 laptop when I could make do with a $500 PC. Certainly, the next time I upgrade my main machine, some of them will be disposed of - but then I'll probably keep my old MBP around until its no longer useful, and might get a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4 (whatever they're on now) soon. I don't need Win XP for testing any more (Internet Explorer 6 can now, thankfully, be ignored) - but I'm still likely to end up with a main machine, a Pi, the server and maybe a "work" laptop if the main machine is a desktop.
So, yeah, if I lay out the thick end of a grand on a display I'd expect a bit of input flexibility - which is something that almost every other midrange display on the market offers.
It is what has put me off from buying an iMac or the old TB Display (even when it was up-to-date tech) for years.
Of course, it is no surprise since LG spawned from GoldStar which was completely craptastic gear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldStar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldStar
An Apple TB3 5k Display would have been awesome.
This is what happens when you have someone in charge who is more interested in profit margins than "insanely great" products. To me it looks like Steve Jobs's last mistake (putting Tim in charge) actually ended up going against everything he stood for at Apple.
I swear, I feel like I'm in a Mission Impossible movie where Tim Cook is going to rip his mask off and it'll be Steve Ballmer underneath.
I absolutely, positively HATE what Apple has become.
And I'm heartbroken by what could've been.
This is what happens when you have someone in charge who is more interested in profit margins than "insanely great" products. To me it looks like Steve Jobs's last mistake (putting Tim in charge) actually ended up going against everything he stood for at Apple.
I swear, I feel like I'm in a Mission Impossible movie where Tim Cook is going to rip his mask off and it'll be Steve Ballmer underneath.
I absolutely, positively HATE what Apple has become.
And I'm heartbroken by what could've been.
Edu or employee discount of 15%. Boom. Done. Under $1600.Good luck finding a new 5K imac for $1600, but yeah, just under $1K for a display plus well over $2K for a comparable laptop makes it a tough sell. But hey, I bought a Quadra 700 (CPU alone) for $3K back in '93.
An Apple TB3 5k Display would have been awesome.
This is what happens when you have someone in charge who is more interested in profit margins than "insanely great" products. To me it looks like Steve Jobs's last mistake (putting Tim in charge) actually ended up going against everything he stood for at Apple.
I swear, I feel like I'm in a Mission Impossible movie where Tim Cook is going to rip his mask off and it'll be Steve Ballmer underneath.
I absolutely, positively HATE what Apple has become.
And I'm heartbroken by what could've been.
I can't say that I'm surprised, but I'm definitely let down by the fact that Apple didn't have the guts, the will and integrity to release a 5K Thunderbolt3/USB-C Display. I loved Apple for the ecosystem and the aesthetics. Both those pillars are falling apart. The fact that you can't connect the latest iPhone to the latest MacBook without a dongle is mind blowing and pathetic. Same goes for iPhone's headphones - can't use them with the MacBook without a dongle... Seriously Apple? And then the display — I get that it wouldn't have been a high margin product like the iPhone, but damn it. Showing that keynote slide with the new MacBook Pro attached to the LG display should had made Apple execs feel ashamed. Anyway, I feel that Apple is cutting corners instead of bringing its customers the best possible user experience - that's been their selling point for me. Then they're coming up with gimmicks, instead of innovating: like the touchbar. It might be useful, but it's not really needed. That'll bite them in the ass someday — I really admire Microsoft for what they're doing. Of course they're in a different situation, but not that much different from Apple. MS is making its money on software and services while Apple makes theirs on phones (mostly). Meanwhile, MS is releasing interesting products that offer something useful, while Apple is throwing out function keys and headphone jacks.
Courage...
Bakc to the topic; if they'd released a beautifully designed 5k display with the new (absurdly overpriced gimmicky Pro laptops), maybe I would've bought it. Just to satisfy the nerdy side of me. But after what they've shown, I have no reason or desire to upgrade my 2014 MBP and Thunderblot display. They work fine and they work together without dongles. I can even connect my iPhone 6 for charging - without adapters!
It's just a transitionary period and in a year or two all of this will be history. In the bigger picture of things (5, 10, 20 years out) this is completely insignificant.
As far as pulling the plug on displays and wifi routers, that's just to focus on core products and future products and services. Every employee counts. Another engineer added to the iPhone team adds more value to the company than having that person work on a product that continues next to nothing to the bottom line.
Yes I am upset and hate apple for what they did, but if I were in charge I would do the same. Focus is key. Lack of it will turn you into a conglomerate like Google or Microsoft.
Hell Im still waiting for an Apple branded television set, but those dreams seem bleak.
...And to be sure, it's usually VP's in boardrooms and management teams -not the real engineers- who decide when and how corners will be cut and what will be phased out for thinness or whatever.
By engineers, I don't mean those working as Apple's Lifestyle Product Aestheticians or makers of emoji and all of those emoji beta-testers.
By engineers, I don't mean those working as Apple's Lifestyle Product Aestheticians or makers of emoji and all of those emoji beta-testers.
Apple's engineers are actually cross-trained to have a sense of design and aesthetics, so if anything, they would actually be the ones working tirelessly away to make Apple products thinner and lighter while ensuring all the parts fit inside. You don't have to tell them what features to cut.
Just be happy that you were able to place an order. Charge should come through closer to the actual shipping date. You can also try posting in this thread for order status https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lg-ultrafine-5k-display-order-status.2018340/
I've now set my browser to auto refresh the order page to hopefully get my order in before the end of the year.
My thoughts exactly. I've been refreshing the website every hour since it prematurely went on sale and sold out in an instant.
I see your point, but I have a different view. They don't put engineers into iPods, (obviously none has been involved in Magic Mouse 2 or the battery case
, printers and other stuff. But the way I see it they are selling a Pro laptop (and neglected Mac Pro) and it seems only logical that they deliver accessories to match those products, thus giving the user the best possible and a coherent experience. That's they way it has been in the past. Instead they focus on:
• iPhone by releasing pretty much the same exact phone for 3 years in a row (obviously the hardware has changed, but I don't think it required more manpower than iPhone 6)
• wireless headphones for the said iPhone - one could argue they could also send their customers to 3rd party headphone makers
• hideous battery case (without an on/off switch or indicator lights)
• countless watch bands for a Watch that's basically a niche category in its infancy
• wireless mouse that can't be used and charged at the same time (that's just horrible design whichever way you spin it)
• plus, they got heavily invested in services like some other companies (Google, Microsoft)
• then there's the Apple TV — why do it if they have no service of their own (iTunes doesn't count) and you can watch Netflix or HBO GO in countless other less costly and not less convenient ways).
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying they're not really focused. Or in other words, they focused / refocused on some areas, while neglecting and just leaving other areas (pro Macs especially). The new Mabcook Pro with the Touch Bar is probably a great machine, but the Touch Bar is in no way an innovation or something that will change the way how pro users work on a Mac, therefore they should change its name (and don't get me started on their current naming scheme for MacBooks! They're just name 2 variants away from Asus and the like). Another thing is that for a premium brand (and Apple positions itself as such) they should provide a complete, premium experience. Just how you get a matching, designer keyboard and touchpad/mouse with your iMac you should be able to get a similar package for your laptop/workstation with add ons such as a display. Same goes for Airport Express and Time Capsules - there aren't many equivalent 3rd party options designed for Mac.
its so ironic that so many people on here complaining about how ugly the display is, even though it looks like all the other mainstream displays out there, and yet it was sold out in an instant.
I think it was an error that it was "available" and corrected as soon as Apple was made aware. Crap happens, the G5 specs were leaked online prior to the WWDC announcement at the time. Apple wouldn't close "pre-orders" they'd just keep them coming and update shipping delivery estimates as needed based on demand and your place in the queue. Someone just had it open a week or so early, or some scheduling bug, just like when they open the online store front and update the website after events. Someone was trigger happy.
[doublepost=1480642467][/doublepost]But yes I am in the camp that the Apple Thunderbolt Display enclosure was far superior or at least more aethestically Mac than the partnered LG venture.
I think many people on here think that when Apple said they helped designed in partnership with LG, that Apple sent Jonny Ive. Design is only external and no one knows how much input Apple actually had. For all we know, Apple was allowed to have just enough input to make it work with Sierra and LG kept the physical design in house.
@Outrigger
Completely agree. I'm disheartened mainly because it's part of the overall ecosystem/user experience that has more or less been contracted out.
I have several apple displays and love them all they all offered great intervention. The acrylic acd's were amazing at the time and being able to turn the system on and off from a touch button on the display amazing in the early 2000's. Apple has been presenting itself as a brand and ecosystem and prides itself on visual design. I'm sure the display in the LG is fantastic-it's already in the 5k iMac, and Apple has been using LG and Samsung displays in their computers for years. It's just the loss of aesthetics and seriously complementing the system, whether it is a Mac Pro or a MacBook: aluminum and glass, vs aluminum and plastic.
Completely agree. I'm disheartened mainly because it's part of the overall ecosystem/user experience that has more or less been contracted out.
I have several apple displays and love them all they all offered great intervention. The acrylic acd's were amazing at the time and being able to turn the system on and off from a touch button on the display amazing in the early 2000's. Apple has been presenting itself as a brand and ecosystem and prides itself on visual design. I'm sure the display in the LG is fantastic-it's already in the 5k iMac, and Apple has been using LG and Samsung displays in their computers for years. It's just the loss of aesthetics and seriously complementing the system, whether it is a Mac Pro or a MacBook: aluminum and glass, vs aluminum and plastic.