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No. It’s just a random name they made up. It makes zero sense than a new generation of CPU and GPU would come out so soon and debut on the Mac instead of the iPhone in September/October. Not gonna happen.
This correct. Call it "M1X" or whatever, there are two variants of M1 with 12 core and 16 core based on leaks from 8 months ago. I believe one or both of those are what is currently in production, in advance of Pro machines to be released this summer.

Whether or not there will be an M2 this fall based on A15 (and I see no immediate reason why there would be) has nothing to do with that is currently being prepared for release.
 
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Whatever the new chip is called is kind of irrelevant to me. It will be the new chip that came out after the M1. And who knows, perhaps it is based on the upcoming A15?
How I look at it: What will the 2025 model with 8+4 cores be called? Just like the A-chips went from A4 to A14 over the years, the number on the M-chips will increase every year. So Apple has two choices: Either ALL chips are just M-some number. M1 this year, M2 next year, M3 the year after that. And as a buyer you need to check if it is M3 with 4+4, 8+4, 16+4 cores. Or an additional letter: M1 and M1X this year, M2, M2X, M2Y next year and so on. But calling the next chip M2 will be creating confusing forever. What are they going to call next years low-end chip?
 
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It's not early, it's a differentiation. There has always been a big performance difference between "low end" (ie. cheaper) Macs and premium Macs (Macbook Pro 16, iMac 27, iMac Pro etc.) and much of that difference is due to processor differences. The M1 has filled out all the low end Macs at this point, essentially being the same computer in various form factors: Mac mini, Macbook Air, Macbook Pro 13, and iMac 24. The M2 will be a big performance jump from M1 to create that differentiation again and justify higher prices in the rest of the lineup. I suspect the M2 will be put in a more expensive Macbook Pro 14 (that will replace the Pro 13 in time) and Macbook Pro 16, and also an iMac 30. It will remain to be seen if over the years the high end chip will drift to the lower models and then a new high end chip will take its place, or if both chips will just tick toc through the years... ie. M1 machines gets replaced by M3, M2 machines replaced by M4.
That's a bad bet. It is already known that Apple has variants of the M1 with more cores. What makes sense is that those are currently in production headed for MBP's and maybe, maybe an iMac.

If an M2 is produced at all this year (yes, if) it would be to replace the M1, and that seems way too soon to everyone.
 
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What do you think Apple will do for the higher tier versions, such as the 16 inch? Will it be an M1 with more cores and other small architectural differences, or will it be completely different overall?
I assume there will be the low-end M1 chip, and some high-end chip, whatever the name (could be M1 with 12+4 cores, I'd like that). If there's a 16" MBP, there must be a model with the high-end chip, but I'd also expect a model with the low-end chip, for all those who want a large monitor on the go and are fine with M1 performance. Many people will be just fine with just a 16" monitor to carry around and no external monitor at all. Obviously times are a bit different now, but that's what many people will want in 2022 and after that.
 
That;s what I originally thought, but it’s looking more like it will now be an M2 with higher single core performance, and unknown number of cores.
If today's rumor is accurate that Apple is currently manufacturing a chip for new MacBook Pros, then you'd have to believe that the A15 is not only way ahead of schedule, which it never is, but that Apple is also going to release the M2 months ahead of the A15, from which it is derived. And you'd have to believe that Apple is abandoning its routine of producing a base chip, and then variants with more cores for higher performance products.

Those are all giant leaps of logic.

Clearly the thing in production right now is an M1 variant(s) for use in the new MacBook Pros which now appear to be only 2-ish months away.
 
The reason why is simple: pro machines need a "pro class" SOC. The M2 intended as an updated M1 (based on A15 architecture) won't be enough for pro users. It needs more cores and a way beefier GPU to satisfy the pro market.

The M2 will be "just" a better SOC for the same class of products (high-end iPad, low-end Macs).

The M1X will be instead an SOC for a completely different class of products, with less space and thermal constraints, made for users that actually need the strongest GPUs, more cores and lots of RAM.

You will not satisfy pro users just by giving them a 20% faster SOC.
Maybe, or maybe the M2 IS a enough of a jump for the pro users. For all anyone here knows, it is a 16 or 32 core monster. No one in the industry expected the A7 to be a 64-bit monster or be released as soon as it was.

There's absolutely nothing that says Apple couldn't double (or quadruple) the performance of the M1 and call it an M2. Just like there isn't anything that says they won't do the same thing again and call it an M3.

They already sell the M1 in a configuration with a core disabled. They can do the same thing, and potentially reduce the clock speed, in a year when they're ready to move the processor down to the lower-end machines where they need better thermals and battery life.
 
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I doubt this is next generation M1 chip, they are just released. This is more like a higher tier of the M chip going into PRO laptops
 
It is certainly not unprecedented. Last year the iPad Air 3 launched with the A14, the actual SoC that was destined for the iPhone, a month before the iPhone 12 was presented.
That is true, but the iPad Air was launched when the iPhones were scheduled to be launched. I wonder what this year's A15 will look like vs the M1. The iPhones seem so hamstrung with iOS vs what the CPU can handle but the longevity and years of Apple support probably influence that.
 
This is more like a higher tier of the M chip going into PRO laptops

Of course, it is, 14/16" MBP and 32" or whatever size iMac. Perhaps even the Mac Pro Mini or another higher-end Mac Mini to replace the intel version still being sold.
 
Well, I would expect that the new machines also feature XDR and more RAM, so I would expect definitely a significant step in terms of starting price.
Base model mbp 16in come with 16gb ram standard. We can’t be charged more to get the bare minimum mbp ram config. Also, how many hundreds of dollars more does an xdr panel cost when one can be had for around a thousand on the iPad Pro and that comes with an m1 computer attached? The new ones will cost more because we have no cheap used ones to buy as an alternative. They charge what they think the public will pay and still be able to get their stock price up. They are not doing us any favors when they include more expensive parts. They just want to see if we accept paying more. In the past every upgrade to the line came with better parts and kept prices the same.
 
I assume there will be the low-end M1 chip, and some high-end chip, whatever the name (could be M1 with 12+4 cores, I'd like that). If there's a 16" MBP, there must be a model with the high-end chip, but I'd also expect a model with the low-end chip, for all those who want a large monitor on the go and are fine with M1 performance. Many people will be just fine with just a 16" monitor to carry around and no external monitor at all. Obviously times are a bit different now, but that's what many people will want in 2022 and after that.

It will be interesting to see what Apple comes up with. I run software that shows me how much CPU is being used all the time, and Apple's own software is very often optimized for 4 cores or less. Third-party products are usually necessary to make full use of cores beyond that. (Easy example you can try at home: Export a movie from iMovie to and see what portion of your 8-Core or 12-Core system is actually used to perform the encode. Now do a similar encode in Handbrake and see how what portion is used.) It's possible that Apple might shoot for relatively few (by today's standards) faster cores because of this, as it's going to showcase their own software better. Regardless, I'm eager to see what the M2 brings.
 
Maybe, or maybe the M2 IS a enough of a jump for the pro users. For all anyone here knows, it is a 16 or 32 core monster. No one in the industry expected the A7 to be a 64-bit monster or be released as soon as it was.

There's absolutely nothing that says Apple couldn't double (or quadruple) the performance of the M1 and call it an M2.
Yes there is. Cost and physics.

It's pretty unlikely that the advantage of the next chip generation... next year... will be a doubling of general computing performance.

It is possible the coming chip... this year... may double the performance, but that is more likely to be a chip of the same generation as M1, but with more cores and other tweaks, along with more memory support.

They already sell the M1 in a configuration with a core disabled. They can do the same thing, and potentially reduce the clock speed, in a year when they're ready to move the processor down to the lower-end machines where they need better thermals and battery life.
The disabled core is a GPU core, and it's pretty much irrelevant for 95% of the population.
 
Nope, they reflect whether or not the chip is a variant of M1 (same design, more cores) or a totally new architecture.
You have no idea whether that will be the case or not. Only the M1 has been released. And even if the naming scheme was based on the underlying architecture, that is still purely a marketing decision.

They can call the next chip anything they want. M2, M1X, M+, O1, etc. The name itself means nothing.
 
Maybe apple will put m1 chips into 14in macbook pros and wait till next year to put in m2 chips in 16in mbp and 30in iMacs? If the m1 is already faster than most they can get as many to upgrade now and then come out with something next year that makes these chips look weak. Plus they can create new hardware categories that cost more to begin with instead of swapping out fast chips at the old price points. Keep the people hungry for more so they pay anything to get the fastest speed when it finally arrives.
 
But they are clearly not using the same chip for everything. There are multiple chips under the M1 Family. Don't see how this is different to INTEL
Intel has i3, i5, i7, i9 and each one of those have specific architectural differences such that there’s a series of i3’s of varying performance and features, a series of i5’s etc.

Apple has the equivalent, so far, of a single line of i9’s. Very simplified by comparison.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing the M-chips that go with discrete GPUs.
By WWDC, the code examples provided will indicate whether discrete GPU’s are in the future. IF, in the tracks about Apple Silicon GPU’s continue to mention unified memory, then there won’t be discrete GPU’s for the near future.
 
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Maybe apple will put m1 chips into 14in macbook pros and wait till next year to put in m2 chips in 16in mbp and 30in iMacs? If the m1 is already faster than most they can get as many to upgrade now and then come out with something next year that makes these chips look weak. Plus they can create new hardware categories that cost more to begin with instead of swapping out fast chips at the old price points. Keep the people hungry for more so they pay anything to get the fastest speed when it finally arrives.
I don't think they will do this.

I think they will have at least 3 chip tiers.

Tier 1: A14 (for iPhones and iPads)
Tier 2: M1 (which is basically what A14X was expected to be, for iPad Pros and lower end Macs).
Tier 3: M1X (or whatever it's called, for higher end Macs)

Then the cycle starts over.

Tier 1: A15
Tier 2: M2
Tier 3: M2X (or whatever it's called)
 
I doubt this is next generation M1 chip, they are just released. This is more like a higher tier of the M chip going into PRO laptops
Agreed. Likely to support 32GB of RAM or higher and possibly 12 cores. Who knows tho. There is a thread on the M1 MacBook Air of users with the base 8GB 256GB model who also have the 16GB 1TB model Mini and they don't see much difference in performance and the way the M1 manages RAM appears to be one of the most impressive aspects of the chip design.
 
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The reason why is simple: pro machines need a "pro class" SOC. The M2 intended as an updated M1 (based on A15 architecture) won't be enough for pro users. It needs more cores and a way beefier GPU to satisfy the pro market.
You DO realize that 80 percent of professionals have done their work in the past with Intel-based mobile systems, right? ALL configurations of which pale in comparison to Apple’s M1. So, to indicate that a more performant variant of the SAME processor architecture will suddenly NOT be sufficient for these same professionals is interesting… potentially humorous.
 
Correct. My point is that in recent years a pattern emerged with Apple skipping the A11X and A13X. It's likely Apple will skip the "A15X" as well and the M2 processor will debut in 2022 as a rebadged A16X.

indeed. M1 on iPad Pro is overkill. Heck even A12Z/X and even A10X are still very good for iPad Pros in that generation
 
You DO realize that 80 percent of professionals have done their work in the past with Intel-based mobile systems, right? ALL configurations of which pale in comparison to Apple’s M1. So, to indicate that a more performant variant of the SAME processor architecture will suddenly NOT be sufficient for these same professionals is interesting… potentially humorous.
Whenever there is a performance improvement in the hardware, the software and workloads become more demanding in response. That's why my phone is actually faster than my MacBook, and guess what, the performance improvement is actually noticeable (although I can function fine on my MacBook).


Agreed. Likely to support 32GB of RAM or higher and possibly 12 cores. Who knows tho. There is a thread on the MacBook Air of users with the base 8GB 256GB model who also have the 16GB 1TB model Mini and they don't see much difference in performance and the way the M1 manages RAM appears to be one of the most impressive aspects of the chip design.
I see a number of reviews on editing high resolution video, and 16 GB makes for quite noticeable improvements in performance over 8 GB on the M1 Mac mini.

Yes, Apple has done well with its first gen. M1 and the way it handles memory, but don't get blinded by the hype.


indeed. M1 on iPad Pro is overkill. Heck even A12Z/X and even A10X are still very good for iPad Pros in that generation
I just do very light kids' video editing on my iPad Pro occasionally. The A10X iPad Pro 10.5" gets quite sluggish during scrubbing with 4K iPhone video once you layer some stuff on top of that, and that can be a bit annoying. I don't have a more recent iPad Pro, but according to side-by-side review comparisons, the A12X iPad Pro 11" is much smoother.

Remember, I do really basic stuff. I'm not a pro, so if I can find the performance annoying, you can bet a pro might find it really, really annoying.
 
Edit: oops, I forgot about the T1 security chip inside recent Intel Macs. T1 is definitely not going to be the name of the new SOC. Maybe "M1T"?
Don’t forget, the M1 was the first motion coprocessor :D So, T1 is up for being redefined. Especially since future Macs won’t need a T1!
 
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