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I would expect Apple to shift to a two-year cycle for M-chips. The iPad Pro is already on a two-year cycle, it makes sense for Macs also.

The iPhone A-series will be the leading edge chips, then a year later we'll see those new chip features scaled up to the M-series.
I think the A-series will disappear. The iPhones will get an M1 chip, with the number of processors cut down to 2+4 or 3+4, and RAM cut down, but the same basic design as the M1. The M series has a low-end chip now, will gain a high-end chip, and hopefully get a super high-end chip after that that isn't going to fit into laptops.

And every year all chips get a 10% or 15% speed update, one after the other. In a few years time the 4+4 low-end chip will likely disappear, and 6+4 will be low end, with a similar change in high-end and super high-end.
 
I'm disappointed in them releasing something so soon after the M1.
I was already less than excited about the lack of ports on the 13" but the computer I was using was literally dying on me all the time. I either bought into the M1 or stayed with intel based chips.
Now my newest computer is going to be dwarfed so soon after release.
I'd hate to be a Karen but if they release a 13" (or 14") with these leaked specs I'm going in for a return/exchange. Yes I get it, technology changes, but it feels like a slap in the face to be an early adopter and then be given a real 'pro' version device so soon after.

For this - I'd say get used to it.

I think the 2010s were slow from a change perspective. I think changes in the 2020s will be remarkably faster:

- EUV for chips on their way to <1nm?
- M9 by the end of the decade?
- the rise of RISC-V?
- Intel/AMD on par with Apple?
- DDR5? DDR6? beyond?
- PCIe5? PCIe6? beyond?
- OLED? micro LED?

All these things will probably happen. Whereas I used a 2015 MBP for 6 years and it was fine, I think year of year comparisons in generations of compute will be compelling enough for people to want to upgrade sooner compared to Intel's tic/tock-tock-tock disappointments of the last decade.
 
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So many people will be disappointed they 'didn't wait' when this appears.
I don't think these machines will be targeting the same market though…. Apple put the M1 into their low end machines with their "lower end" prices. I fully expect the Apple Silicon 16" MacBook Pro and iMac Pro to be almost as expensive as the intel versions they are replacing. That's just Apple's MO. I'd be pleasantly shocked if the 2019 15" I9 I bought for $5,331.00 CDN is replaced by something more powerful and significantly less expensive, but that's certainly the calibre of machine I'll be upgrading to.
 
They already sell the M1 in a configuration with a core disabled. They can do the same thing, and potentially reduce the clock speed, in a year when they're ready to move the processor down to the lower-end machines where they need better thermals and battery life.
That's not with a core disabled (that could possibly be enabled), it's chips with one of the eight GPU cores not working, which you can buy for a $50 savings. Since eight GPU cores are not worth $400, saving $50 for seven instead of eight cores is a good deal, and Apple saves money by not having to throw these chips away.

I don't think that Apple will be selling an intentionally crippled processor, except if say the new chip is 12+4 cores and 16 GPU cores, one model might sell with 11+4 cores and 15 CPU cores, in order to avoid throwing not quite perfect chips away. Probably one model only, and one of the cheaper ones, say the 24" iMac, or the 14" MBP when it appears.
 
I think apple will do the same thing with the MBP's as they did with the iPads.

The 14" MBP won't get mini-led but the 16" will.

Just my thought.
I wonder if they will have to increase the thickness of the lid to accommodate the mini LEDs…. The new 12.9" iPad Pro got a little thicker, but I don't know how much of that can be attributed to the battery or the new backlighting tech.
 
I am more than happy with my M1 powered Air but look forward to the next gen MacBook Pro and iMacs for our clients.
 
Untrue the i9 beats the M1 in multiple threaded apps which a lot of apps are now multi threaded applications, once the programmers figured out to program in this environment 15 years ago.

I just downloaded the source code to Kubernetes onto both my fully maxed out 2019 16" MBP (which has the 2.4 GHz i9), 64GB RAM, etc, and my M1 13" MBP (16GB RAM). Only thing not maxed on the intel box is the SSD, which is 2TB (rather than the potential 8TB max).

Fresh source code trees on both machines. I killed every app running, waited for the CPUs to level off, and built Kubernetes from scratch on both machines.

i9: make 1736.99s user 445.69s system 928% cpu 3:54.97 total M1: make 819.16s user 156.12s system 434% cpu 3:44.71 total

On both machines, all cores were heavily utilized. Not only was this entry level, low powered M1 faster than a maxed out i9 MBP, it was significantly more responsive to window movements. The cost of that 16" was multiple times the cost of the M1.

When the M2 machines come out later this year? They're going to absolutely smoke the intel MBP.
 
I don't see how M2 could beat discrete graphics of 5600m on 16" MacBook Pro. I think it will take a discrete gpu or m3 to match the speed, same thing to replace 5700Xt in iMac...Apple is at least 1-2 years behind in terms of graphics performance.
 
Here is a question, has intel fixed the issues that allowed spectre etc to compromise the chips or they still require protections in firmware?
 
You are confusing configurability with user extendability. A desktop in 2021 with 16 gb max for over $1000 is a laughing stock.
I will take a Mac with 16 gb ram over a windows PC with more ram any time of the day if it means better performance.

There’s just too much focus on raw specs and not enough focus on the end user experience.
 
So many people will be disappointed they 'didn't wait' when this appears.
Bullpucky.

Can’t wait to have my M5 competition.
Wait, didn't M5 kill four starships before Captain Kirk convinced it to commit the computer's version of harikari?

Edit: I like how I am being negged because I speculated on a rumour...on a rumours site lol
They probably had a premonition that you would spell "rumors" as "rumours". :)

I'm coming from the future and have been using M7 on my iPhone for years.
  • Hey who wins the World Series in 2021?
  • Does the NFL go out of business in 2022 or 2023?
  • Does the mask shaming stop in 2034 or 2035?
  • And does the Pfizer vaccine cause people to grow extra body parts out their heads?

...asking for a friend who needs to budget for baseball tickets, masks, and hats...

Why are people confused about a made up chip name - that never existed to begin with - not actually existing. Did Apple ever say there was a M1X.

Got to love it. How dare they use logic and go to the M2 after the M1.
I name my spreadsheets 001, 002, 003, 004, 005x, 006. And when 007x doesn't come out, but the name jumps to 010 instead, I start stalking myself about why not.

It's really painful when I have to start climbing fences, looking in blinds, and taking pictures of my windows.

I should probably get a dog. Hey, future guy, do I buy a dog in May 2021? And does he get run over by a car in September, a battery-powered Amazon truck in November, or by Santa's sleigh in December?

...I really, really need to be delighted again. Soon.
THIS is something that Tim Cook should be losing sleep over. And if he's not, maybe I'll send my stalker over there instead.

Okay, probably not.

How do you know that M2 isn’t the smaller brother of M1, optimized for cost and low energy consumption and sacrificing a tad performance for it? 😈😉
Yeah, next you'll try to tell us that "New Coke" was ... worse... than the original. Wait, what?

Only if it's turned on, or the capacitors still hold a charge, when you start licking it.
You only void the warranty if you lick it with Tide Pod goop on your tongue.

Everyone worries about the upgrade cycle. Apple should just do tiered subscription model, you get upgrades each year.

Tier 1: $1000/yr – entry level iPhone, iPad, MacBook or iMac
Tier 2: $2000/yr - Mid level phone, tablet, and computer
Tier 3: $3000/yr - Pro level stuff
Evil in our midst, absolute evil!

I told you people the Sith are real! "Only two", my ass. Yoda was wrong, I tell you!

doubtful: a few may regret being impatient, but I suspect that most know what they're doing
I would agree with this statement. Even when voting, we usually get what we want. And sometimes we even get what we deserve.
 
I don't see how M2 could beat discrete graphics of 5600m on 16" MacBook Pro. I think it will take a discrete gpu or m3 to match the speed, same thing to replace 5700Xt in iMac...Apple is at least 1-2 years behind in terms of graphics performance.

It is a well-reported rumor that Apple has its own discrete graphics chip in the works.
 
Take it home, open the box, plug it into the wall, and they're up and running quickly. 7 vs 8 GPU cores would be immaterial to such a buyer and thus the internals aren't "better" in that context on one vs the other.
Careful, Tim will hunt you down for criticizing the x% faster marketing :)
Why "should" this be so?
Because if it's not cheaper it has to offer something to justify giving up portability.
The 24" iMac is clearly a basic AIO setup aimed of the general populace who may prefer an AIO vs a laptop of a some-assembly-required mac mini setup.
With the adapter it requires the exact same assembly steps.
Since the 27" iMacs have yet to transition to Apple Silicon, I expect you'll still have your opportunity for the higher tier / more ports / more memory capacity options AIO systems - just as you'll likely have the same when the many-port mac mini systems transition to Apple Silicon.
Yes, that's why I am calling it just a ploy to effectively raise prices.
 
I will take a Mac with 16 gb ram over a windows PC with more ram any time of the day if it means better performance.

There’s just too much focus on raw specs and not enough focus on the end user experience.
If. But you can't have better performance if your end user experience is that you don't have enough memory. You can't fight starvation by eating faster if you don't have enough food..
 
You are confusing configurability with user extendability. A desktop in 2021 with 16 gb max for over $1000 is a laughing stock.

Only to people that think specs define user experience. They can contribute to it, sure, but demonstrably they don't define it.

Case in point. I'm typing this on my 13" M1 MBP (16GB RAM) that I currently using for work.

What I have open constantly during work (which is what I currently have running):
  • Safari with 39 tabs open including an active Facebook feed, YouTube playing music over AirPlay to my paired HomePods, multiple tabs open to Jira, GitHub, my work's google docs repos, confluence, various multi-media sites, Trello, etc. ie. it's not just a lot of lightweight fluff.
  • Zoom (many meetings a day)
  • 3 instances of GoLand running (a large, robust IDE for Golang ... think Visual Studio, but by Jetbrains and for Golang) on three large git controlled repos. Implicit with this are constant compilations, long running tests, attaching comprehensive debuggers to code/processes, etc.
  • Two instances of a large, commercial grade db servers running (this is for work), along with shell based clients for those dbs
  • A MongoDB compass instance interfacing with an active MongoDB
  • Docker Desktop with multiple docker instances running
  • Slack with connections to 3 very active workspaces
  • Discord with connections to an embarrassing number of servers (btw, this is the only major app I use that still doesn't have an M1 native binary ... it's running as an x86 app)
  • 9 iTerm 2 sessions across multiple windows with lots of stuff going on
  • 3 virtual workspaces to organize my workflow
  • Mail.app managing 6 email accounts, 4 of which are very large
  • Calendar.app with feeds from multiple busy calendar servers
  • Messages, very active, and all that entails
  • TextMate with 14 documents open
  • Activity Monitor, with the CPU history window running
At any given time I'll fire up additional apps as needed (eg. VNC clients), or use things like Maps, etc, for personal use (ie. there's more I do throughout the day, what I listed above comprises the bulk of my 'steady state').

Clearly, some people will be putting more concurrent load on their machine than I am now; this isn't a "who has more running!" post. The point is that at no time have I ever felt like 16GB was hindering or limiting my work. As well, it outperforms my personal 2019 maxed out i9 16" MBP/64GB/etc for the things I use it for (a machine that cost significantly more than the M1) daily.

Now, granted, there are many use cases where 16GB won't be enough ... but these machines are not marketed to high end professionals that have specific requirements that exceed their physical constraints. Instead, these boxes are explicitly intended as low powered entry-level machines. Yes, I will get an M2 16" MBP with significantly more RAM (I like to run multiple VMs for other tasks, for example, and that eats RAM) when they're available, but for my typical workflow, I haven't been handicapped at all by this M1.

People that really need more than 16GB won't be purchasing an entry level M1 for that work. Only reason I have this one for my work is because work was only going to supply a 16GB RAM machine, no matter the configuration, so I had them get me an M1. Best decision I ever made.

I really doubt the average user is going to be pushing their machine much harder than I push mine; 16GB will be more than enough.

I will take a Mac with 16 gb ram over a windows PC with more ram any time of the day if it means better performance.

There’s just too much focus on raw specs and not enough focus on the end user experience.

Exactly. People that become myopic around specs are rather missing the point.
 
Translation: “HEY mobile processors should be WAY underpowered/underfeatured compared to desktop processors. Why? Umm, well it’s what I’m used to. This strange new world where mobile and desktop performance (That, across the board, leads the industry) is unfamiliar and frightening.”
What's frightening is Apple how easily manipulates people. They are making a cheaper cpu what was originally in the Air, put it in the iMac in place of a more expensive one, took away half the ports in the cheapest model, and you are hapilly paying the same price. But whatever, keep buying it, maybe they'll finally raise dividends.
 
Yeah, but that was because when Apple went to Intel and said,”We’d like to have the performance of an i9, BUT in something small/light/thin.” Intel replied,”Ok, you’ll want an i3 for this, an i5 for that, an i7 for this other thing and an i9 for this one here.

There’s really never been a “good” reason for the low end to have such a stark performance difference from the high end. Well, maybe good for Intel and AMD, not so much for the consumer who has historically, had to settle for an i3. :)
You're referring to the practice of binning. Anything less than an i9 is actually a chip with some form of defect in it.

If Apple and TSMC can cut down on the flaws, then it may not even be economical to bin. Just throw out/recycle/make into jewelry the few that don't pass muster. The genius of that plan, if it can be done, is that you don't end up with one flagship model and 3 "also rans". Also-rans always water down the brand. It's a new world and Intel needs to understand this.

Let me put it this way. I have a taco truck and so does my competitor, let's call him Paco.

In my "Flight Plan Gourmet Taco (our specialty, by the way), they're made with freshly made ground beef, clean, washed lettuce, tomato, onion, and sour cream. My taco stand sells you 1 taco. Oh don't worry, they're HUGE tacos, you'll leave full and satisfied, I promise.

I make the tacos 10 at a time, 'cause there's never fewer than 10 people lined up anyway, even at breakfast! When I make 10 tacos, I make 10 GREAT tacos and I sell all of them at full price.

Now my competitor the next truck over, Paco, he's got a great truck too, and it's even wrapped with a great saying: "Paco's Tacos Inside!" His top-of-the-line taco is called the T9.

But now Paco, he's got a small QC problem. He makes his tortillas thinner than I make mine, so every 8th, 9th, and 10th taco he makes gets soggy and falls apart right at the bent part due to the warm, slightly greasy ground beef he uses. They're still good, but he has to sell those at a discount, or some customers will return them and he'll have to make more while people are still lining up. He calls them the "T8".

Okay, now there's also another small QC issue. Some of Paco's tacos have a little bit of...well, bird droppings, lizard droppings (we ARE in the south), or dead lady bugs in the lettuce. In his defense, there's only one or two of these in every batch of 10 that he makes. Paco really tries hard to make a great product, y'know!

Paco sells these as "Dogcos", and they're deeply discounted. Cocker spaniels seem to love the ladybug tacos the best.

For every 10 "Flight Plan Gourmet Tacos" I make, I sell 10 tacos. They're all fit for Human consumption and they're priced accordingly. You can give one to your dog if you like, but you'll still pay full price at my taco truck. After all, not every dog is a spaniel!

For every 10 "Tacos Inside" Paco makes, he sells 6 for humans, 3 more discount tacos for humans, and 1 for dogs. He needs special branding for the dog tacos; can't have those getting confused! All this costs money.

Who makes more money?

The IRS of course...wait, what was my point?

Oh yeah: If Apple and TSMC, working together, can avoid binning, they will reinvent the marketplace. If Intel wants to live in the marketplace, they will need to figure out how to improve their process and stop making so many failed tacos. Er, chips. Wait, now I'm hungry!

This is a great point. The M1 changes everything. In so many ways, I'm not sure anyone can predict the trajectory of how Apple releases Macs in particular. The M1 with 16GB RAM is already comparable to what, the higher end i7s from Intel? and it's running in a fan-less $999 MacBook Air. Crazy what Apple has done in a couple of years. They fixed the keyboard, gave us a monster of a processor in a Mac that is sub $1000.
Is it really a monster of a processor if it just does its job without also being a griddle for coin-sized pancakes?
 
Maybe, or maybe the M2 IS a enough of a jump for the pro users. For all anyone here knows, it is a 16 or 32 core monster. No one in the industry expected the A7 to be a 64-bit monster or be released as soon as it was.

There's absolutely nothing that says Apple couldn't double (or quadruple) the performance of the M1 and call it an M2. Just like there isn't anything that says they won't do the same thing again and call it an M3.

They already sell the M1 in a configuration with a core disabled. They can do the same thing, and potentially reduce the clock speed, in a year when they're ready to move the processor down to the lower-end machines where they need better thermals and battery life.
I'm sorry, but this is just not feasible. The "pro" SOC is gonna be an entirely different class of processor.

By your logic, Apple should put a "low power" M1 in the iPhone. It's not feasible to do so, because it's a different class of SOC with markedly different scope, constraints and expected performance.

The new M1X will differ from the M1 as much as the M1 differs from the A14.
 
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