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I'm not a high end user. I use it for photoshop and Lightroom. I love the screen and it's big enough for me to watch stuff on it and be happy. If I was to build this in a PC, It would be too expensive I would bet. How much is a 4k screen at 27"?

Maybe I don't need a k4 screen, but I like this all around. Ive been using a 21 inch iMac at work for 7 years and it's the only computer left not replaced. All other PCs crapped out.

I'm not a computer person that tinkers. Give me something nice and I'm good for a while.
What is the cheapest 4K 27”?
 
See, I actually use my MBA more than I used my iPad Pro. I think it's better for reasons. All I wished it had was built in LTE for just incase. I actually don't like touch screen for doing work on photos ect... I prefer a mouse and such.
 
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This article is pure shade being thrown at Apple, which they deserve. A whole mac lineup that is just completely asleep. I've been waiting for an iMac for so long. I would even be interested in a new macbook or macbook air type device, but no chance of seeing me with a touchbar mbp.
 
I'm hoping the new Air, will have same amount of ports.
Doubt. If they do that, they admit that they greatly ****ed up with the Pro.
It sound less likely with every day that passes.
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Let's wait... today is 11th... Also we have a delayed iPhone launch. That means schedules might have shifted. All they need is to launch the new stuff to be widely available at Christmas...
 
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The Touch Bar - or more precisely, the lack of options to buy an acceptable laptop without a Touch Bar affected my purchasing decisions...

Also been waiting for years now for a proper MB Pro update (without the useless Touch Bar). Till then I’ll be sticking to my old 2008 5,1 MB which is still is grand condition and also running easily patched Mojave. Tim Sculley is only focusing on the iPhone and it’s also messing around with it... get rid of that stupid notch! Give back my status bar!
 
Doubt. If they do that, they admit that they greatly f***ed up with the Pro.
Let's wait... today is 11th... Also we have a delayed iPhone Launch. That means scheduled might have shifted. All they need is to launch the news stuff to be widely available at Christmas...

What did they mess up? Forgive me for asking. The ports on the MBP?
 
In my creative field (motion graphics/animation/video production) so many people have made the jump to Windows. It’s not perfect but they’re so much more powerful and cost effective.

Same with me in indie film. I just directed and shot a feature in 8K RAW. Cost me $400 to upgrade my 2 year old Windows desktop’s GPU to handle native editing and color grading of that footage (I use a hybrid workflow switching between proxies and native).

If I was on a Mac, I would have had to lay out $5,000 to upgrade to the iMac Pro to have any shot at dealing with this edit and color grade.
 
I bought a dell vostro i5 7th gen for my wife to replace her old crappy hp i3 with ridiculous fan noise and slowness despite SSD. Once I swapped in the SSD to the vostro and spent the ridiculous two days it took to reinstall and transfer, I was blown away by how fast and quiet it was. Gives my MBP i7 a run for its money on everything. And with Black Friday in July sale the price was crazy low.

Considering how apple is diminishing their ecosystem integration and forcing you to upgrade to the latest Mac OS to use the latest iOS integration (not required I of windows users) I see no reason to buy a Mac any more.

The only thing to me that makes the Mac worth it is it took only a couple of hours to clone to a new 2TB SSD vs the over 2 days it took to set up my wife’s new windows 10 pc with the 1TB SSD I took from the Mac.

Reinstalled visual studio alone took almost a day...
 
Change it to year-to-year total revenue, and Mac will smoke all of them out of the window. The profit from one MacBook Pro 15' Touch Bar version is the same as at least 5 to 6 "typical" PC notebooks.
 
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Nope. Market overall grew 0.1% (if I am reading the table correctly). All first tier vendors are up. Second (and lower) tier is a different story.

With nearly zero growth in the industry, it was mostly vendors stealing sales from each other. Not surprising Apple is down at all.
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Give us an ultra thin MacBook Pro 17", real touchscreens, and give us a break on the dongles.

No one wants a 17". Previous 17" sales showed that. There's a reason they discontinued making them years ago. People just didn't want a machine that big.
 
Got any sources for that?

Your logic is way off.

Apples market share is declining because of lack of new products combined with higher prices and product strategy of soldering in ram, ssd, gluing battery, removing slots etc all which makes your workflow or ownership that bit less palletable and repairs more expensive, your machine has planned obsolescence
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I’d be hoping it has some ports :D

I guess my sarcasm isn't understood by all.
 
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They are not going to refresh the mac mini as it is antithetical to Tim Cooks, "premium" tech-fashion philosophy. Apple has been coasting for many years, from that graph they are selling the same amount of computer as 2012. Which is when things started going down hill for Apple. The iPhone was the worst thing to happen to the Mac it would seem. Its a multiproduct company wishing it was a single product company.
 
Decent? Are you kidding me? The MacBook(pick any) is still better than all the other windows laptops. Case closed my friend.

You don't like the keyboard? That's your problem. I think it's the best keyboard out there, trying going back to the old keyboard is like cutting the bread into slices again.
Come on now. That's not true, and you know it. Certainly not hardware wise. The only reason any of them can be considered better than Windows equivalents would be due to the software, which is a fair point I'll concede, but that doesn't make this any less frustrating and it certainly doesn't make it any less of a real issue.

Here are a bunch of stupid problems with the MacBook Pro in no particular order. Problems that really don't need to exist.
1) The keyboard really does not take well to dust, debris, or other small particles. Even the new version has problems.
2) The touch bar doesn't do anything useful and is not worth the extra cost. It's neat, I suppose, but it's not useful.
3) The price is very high because of the TB3 ports, the high-end CPU (which is massively throttled due to the thinness of the machine), and the touch bar. The only one of those 3 features that laptop actually makes decent use of is the TB3 ports, and even then it's just turned into a donglebook pro at this point.
4) The track pad is so huge that any failure of palm rejection makes the machine unusable.
5) The machine came out of the gate overheating and throttling to the point where it was near useless. Apple fixed this with an OS update, which is nice, but the MacBook Pro 2018 15" is still completely unusable for high-end workflows when running Windows or Linux. It just doesn't work.
6) Upgrading the parts via BtO makes you pay for the original component and the upgrade separately, but you don't get the original component. This fact combined with the low capacity SSD and low capacity RAM in the default config is pretty annoying.
7) It is impossible to upgrade the machine, making the up-front cost very high due to 6) and 3) coming together.
8) The machine is extremely difficult to repair - even for Apple. A broken keyboard means replacing the entire top case, the entire keyboard assembly, and the battery. A single broken RAM chip means you need to replace the entire motherboard. Apple charges absurd prices for this, making a broken MacBook Pro almost impossible to repair without breaking your bank, "forcing" you to buy a new one.

Now, all this crap could be forgiven in a cheap, disposable device like a midrange phone. Under no circumstances can they be forgiven in a ~$2700 laptop. No. ****ing. way. in. hell.

And the worst part is, that is currently Apple's best offer on the Mac side, which really puts into contrast how terrible their lineup is. They need to fix it.
 



Apple's worldwide Mac shipments were down in the third quarter of 2018, according to new preliminary PC shipping estimates shared this afternoon by Gartner.

During the quarter, Apple shipped an estimated 4.9 million Macs, compared to 5.4 million in the third quarter of 2017 for an 8.5 percent drop. Apple's market share also declined, dropping from 8 percent in 3Q17 to 7.3 percent in 3Q18.

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Gartner's Preliminary Worldwide PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 3Q18 (Thousands of Units)
Apple continues to be the number four PC vendor in the world, ranking below Lenovo, HP, and Dell, but above Acer and Asus. Lenovo was the number one vendor during the quarter, shipping an estimated 15.8 million PCs for 23.6 percent market share.

HP came in second with 14.6 million PCs shipped for 21.8 percent market share, while Dell was third with 10.7 million PCs shipped and 16 percent market share. Acer and Asus both shipped around 4 million Macs for 6.1 and 6 percent market share, respectively.

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Apple's Market Share Trend: 1Q06-3Q18 (Gartner)
Apple's decline in Mac sales is no surprise as the company has yet to update much of its Mac lineup for 2018. The only Mac that has seen a refresh so far is the MacBook Pro, with MacBook, MacBook Air, and Mac mini updates still on the horizon for a fall launch.

Falling Mac sales come amid stagnant growth for the overall worldwide PC market. A total of 67.2 million PCs were shipped during the quarter, an 0.1 percent increase from the third quarter of 2017.

Apple also saw a decrease in Mac shipments in the United States during 3Q18. Apple shipped a total of 2 million Macs during the quarter, down from 2.2 million in 3Q17, for a 7.6 percent drop in growth and 13.7 percent market share.

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Gartner's Preliminary U.S. PC Vendor Unit Shipment Estimates for 3Q18 (Thousands of Units)
HP was the number one PC vendor in the United States, shipping 4.5 million PCs for 30.7 percent market share. Dell came in at number two with 3.8 million PCs shipped and 25.9 percent market share, while Lenovo was third with 2.3 million PCs shipped and 15.4 percent market share.

IDC also released its own shipment estimates this afternoon, noting a similar decline in sales for Apple. According to IDC, Apple shipped 4.8 million Macs during the quarter, down from the aforementioned 5.4 million, a decline of 11.6 percent.

In IDC's rankings, Apple falls below Lenovo, HP, Dell, and Acer, coming in as the number five worldwide PC vendor. IDC's data also suggests an overall worldwide PC market decline of 0.9 percent rather than the 0.1 percent growth noted by Gartner.

Apple could see its Mac shipments jump back up during the fourth quarter of 2018 and the first quarter of 2019 as there are multiple Mac updates that we're expecting towards the end of the year, perhaps as early as October.

It's important to note that data from Gartner and IDC is preliminary and the numbers can shift, sometimes dramatically and sometimes less so. Last year, for example, Gartner said that Apple shipped 4.6 million Macs worldwide during the third quarter of 2017 when the actual number was significantly higher at 5.4 million.

Article Link: Apple's Mac Sales Down in Q3 2018 Amid a Lack of Updates
Let’s face it - it should be easy to work out that Apple will sell all their old stock before Christmas and launch the new upgrades in early 2019. All Tim Cook is interested in is profit and good pr.
 
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How about a touchbar with a notch?
I love my Touch Bar though. It dynamically changes as I move from Safari to Xcode or from mail to FinalCut. It's elegant and amazing. Why would you want the static function keys anyway? You can hold fn key and function keys are back instantly, in most cases, if you need to use function key, it's better to use a trackpad gesture or a hot-key combination if it is not already showing on touchbar,. I love the sliding brightness and volume thingy and scrubbing progress in video play like on YouTube or something. HTML functions like colour and bold are available on the touchbar directly. It's so convenient. I just love it. Did I mention touchID? It's the best thing ever on a keyboard, yes, I just said that. Bye function keys, I won't miss you.
 
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