Why keep quoting figures from these guys when every quarter Apple proves them (and other "research" firms) wrong? Just wait a few weeks for Apple to announce the real sales numbers.
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Apple's Mac Sales Stagnant in Q2 2017 Amid Continuing Worldwide PC Market Decline
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That's a pipe dream until Apple fixed SMB networking, improves Finder, improves graphics performance for gaming, and adds Enterprise features like iSCSI, Active Directory, etc.
OS X is fine for casual use but these days it's really fallen behind Windows in terms of functionality and even stability.
The Surface branded products have never been nor will they ever be mass market sellers. Surface is a reference brand to get OEM's to get off their collective butts to make more compelling devices. For the most part, it's worked. Surface devices tend to be priced towards the ceiling allowing OEM's to come in under that with their "competing" products so that they reflect a better value per dollar and it allows the OEM's to get a little better profit. Ya know, since they offer more of a bargain compared to Surface devices. wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Surely jacking up the prices and adding a gimmicky touch bar should've gotten them more sales
Yup. When they did that in October, it gave HP a +1 sale in January. And I'm actually really liking it....
Well, maybe if they didn't cost half the price of a new car...
There's a simple explanation of why that is:
Apple releases hot garbage year after year and their desktops are obsolete before they even make it to market, so Apple buyers NEED to constantly replace their terrible computers.
PC desktops however, last years, can be easily upgraded, come with way better hardware and cost less. Duh.
Apple releases hot garbage year after year and their desktops are obsolete before they even make it to market, so Apple buyers NEED to constantly replace their terrible computers.
PC desktops however, last years, can be easily upgraded, come with way better hardware and cost less. Duh.
Except, Apple also charges an extra $300 for the Touch Bar, in addition a slightly faster CPU, Double the Thunderbolt Ports and Touch ID. Yes they charge an extra $300, but you are receiving more than just the Touch Bar as you noted.
Touch bar's a gimmick though. It needs to be dropped.
Really? I would think it's just because so many people already have PCs now ("saturated market"), and they don't need to be replaced often, especially now that they're so powerful and aren't getting huge upgrades anymore.
No, they shipped over 4 million macs, and they're all now sitting in warehouses collecting dust
I don't know but I started building them in 1987 and quit in the early 2000s when Dell was good and cheap. Then in 2011 I built my machine for about $600 without drives/monitor. 2016 threw in a new SSD, upgraded from 8 to 16gb memory, and new $150 video card to drive a 4k 40" monitor. Good to go for a few more. Hubby's $2000 3 year old 27" imac? Just stuck a $50 monitor in front of it because the $500 LCD took a poo. We won't be upgrading the imac while they use crappy components and overcharge for reasonable memory and SSD. We WOULD love to buy an upgradeable memory/drive mac mini with quad core and 4k/5k capabilities but I doubt they will put it out. Too bad.
And now Mac Rumors comments proceed to reading whatever supports their agenda from this single data point.
You'd have to check motherboard sales and other PC component sales.
I'd be curious to know.
I watch a ton of PC building channels on Youtube. And to me... it seems like PC building and component sales are yuge. I know they're not, though, in the grand scheme of things.
I think ASUS might sell five million motherboards in a quarter. Gigabyte less than that... then MSI and others, etc. So maybe 10 million motherboard total in a quarter?
So if PC sales are down... I don't think the main reason is people building their own PCs instead of buying them.
I'd say it has more to do with PCs lasting longer... and people not needing to buy a new PC as often as they used to.
But to your point... you can upgrade a PC and might get a few more years out of it. Though I don't know how much that would affect the broad PC market.
Also... you have to assume that a lot of those motherboards are sold to gamers... and those people weren't gonna buy a pre-built Dell Inspiron or HP Pavilion anyway.
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Disagree. There is zero logic that the Touch Bar Needs to be dropped all together. It's way to early to determine that as of yet. When Apple continues to improve the functionality and use it across the MacBook line, we will know more then. Apple isn't going to quash the TouchBar anytime soon without a doubt.
Touch Bar can be an advantage in some applications. Almost to the point that you appreciate it when you don't have Touch Bar if you have experience with it. Apple and the developers need to combine efforts and emphasize the Touch Bar to its full potential and allow it to mature. It's been less than a year and I wouldn't place that much doubt on it yet.
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Strange how selling 4+ MILLION computers in 3 months can be considered stagnant. Pretty darn impressive if you ask me. Why do sales always have to go up?
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Apple squeezes every dollar out of the smartphone market possible by doing yearly updates, by following trends, and by essentially giving people what they want (going from exclusive ATT to all carriers, going from small screen to big screens, going from 2G to 3G to LTE, adopting Android and jailbreak features).
They could easily follow the same tactic with the Mac.
They could easily follow the same tactic with the Mac.
I don't disagree with you, but have you received any wage increase in the past two years? Genuine question.
I can't believe how bad the internal SMB client is. Why does it take so long to list a directory? And I've noticed macOS getting slower and less stable, but after checking back on Windows again, there's still no way I'm going back to using it as my main OS on my PC. And there's also no way I'm updating from 7 to 10.
They don't have to increase, but it would be nice if they would. The article just says they're stagnant, which they are.
Really? I thought the only difference between the entry 13 inch and the touch bar 13 inch was wwll the touch bar and a barely noticeable bump in cpu
"It's important to note that data from Gartner and IDC is preliminary and that the numbers can shift, sometimes dramatically and sometimes less so. "
Anyone else disturbed by how apologetic Mac Rumours can be ?
They had bad sales and HP did well. stop sugar coating it.
Anyone else disturbed by how apologetic Mac Rumours can be ?
They had bad sales and HP did well. stop sugar coating it.