Lack of innovation + higher prices + better iPad Pro = stagnant sales.
Dongle city + much higher prices = declining sales. Apple should have slashed those prices in June.
Nobody wants to pay hundreds more for a machine that's only marginally better than older models, and requires a dozen dongles.
Yup. Everyone's got a "good enough" macbook laying around at home at this point. If you want something that performs, building your own desktop is the way to go.
If your currency is weak against the dollar, then ALL computers should be expensive. So that's hardly a convincing argument.I mean definitely price is an issue, especially in countries like mine where our dollar is weak to the American dollar, and casual computer/laptop users like myself that don't necessarily need to upgrade to a high powered computer aren't anymore. Can just use our smartphones for most of our needs.
Now if I could buy a 13" MBP or even the new MB for like $1200 I would have probably bought one recently but they start at like 1729 + 12% sales tax I'm dropping $1936 for a laptop. That's a lot of clams for something I can live without.
Only marginally better? Think again.
MBP 2015: SEVERE Thermal-Throttling problems with CPU and GPU, throttling the CPU speed as much as FIFTY PERCENT after only about a minute of heavy-use.
MBP 2016: NO THERMAL THROTTLING WHATSOEVER. Even though the CPU is about 8% slower, overall throughput is nearly 50% HIGHER than the 2015 model, due to COMPLETE LACK OF THERMAL THROTTLING, due to completely redesigned thermal management, and a much lower-power-consumption CPU and GPU.
MBP 2015: Maximum of two 4k External Displays.
MBP 2016: Maxiumum of two 5k External Displays, or FOUR 4k External Displays, PLUS the internal Display. I believe that may be an industry-leading spec, BTW.
MBP 2015: Fast SSD
MBP 2016: TWICE as fast SSD, with perhaps the best performance of any laptop's SSD.
MBP 2015: Legacy Ports, with no USB-C, no USB 3.1 gen 2, no TB 3, with all but two ports "dedicated" to a particular function, and an aggregate I/O bandwidth of around 50 Gbps.
MBP 2016: Four Identical, Multipurpose, Future-Proof USB-C/TB3 I/O ports, for a total of 80 Gbps of I/O bandwidth, expandable to around 56 SIMULTANEOUS "legacy" ports, in a MYRIAD of configurations.
MBP 2015: No Touch Bar. No Touch ID.
MBP 2016: Touch Bar. Touch ID.
MBP 2015: Typical Laptop Speakers (that is to say, pretty lame)
MBP 2016: Significantly-Improved Speakers. Perhaps the best in the industry for a Laptop.
MBP 2015: Nice Apple Touchpad.
MBP 2016: Nicer Apple Touchpad, nearly the size of an iPhone 7!!!
No. Barely any improvements at all...
GIMME A BREAK!!!
How about just accepting the fact that it is a saturated market? You can put better screens, faster chips and larger storage drives in them. But they are still pretty much doing the same thing they did 20 years ago.
Apple makes some great products as do the PC makers. But that this point everyone that needs or wants a laptop or desktop and can afford one probably already has one.
If your currency is weak against the dollar, then ALL computers should be expensive. So that's hardly a convincing argument.
well when you release a product that is more expensive, glued together, cant sync with your flagship product out of the box, and isn't any more functional then the cheaper product released a few years ago.. this is what happens.
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But NONE of that is actually TRUE.
If your currency is weak against the dollar, then ALL computers should be expensive. So that's hardly a convincing argument.
Marginal improvement unnoticeable to most users, and offset by terrible battery life (which is very relevant to most users).MBP 2016: NO THERMAL THROTTLING WHATSOEVER. Even though the CPU is about 8% slower, overall throughput is nearly 50% HIGHER
The definition of a marginal improvement lol. The percentage of users who need more than two 4K displays is very small.MBP 2015: Maximum of two 4k External Displays.
MBP 2015: Fast SSD
MBP 2016: TWICE as fast SSD
Lol. HDMI and SD aren't legacy ports, nor is USB-A. They are all dominant current day ports that are useful for productivity.MBP 2015: Legacy Ports
Meh. Touch ID would be nice. Touch Bar is ugly to me, and doesn't seem useful. May even be an annoyance. Certainly not worth a $300+ premium.MBP 2016: Touch Bar. Touch ID.
I'll give you that, but that's what I have headphones and a Bluetooth speaker for.MBP 2016: Significantly-Improved Speakers. Perhaps the best in the industry for a Laptop.
Hands down my least favorite part of the new MBPs because of the way I normally rest my palms.MBP 2016: Nicer Apple Touchpad, nearly the size of an iPhone 7!!!
That's a pipe dream until Apple fixed SMB networking, improves Finder, improves graphics performance for gaming, and adds Enterprise features like iSCSI, Active Directory, etc.
OS X is fine for casual use but these days it's really fallen behind Windows in terms of functionality and even stability.
And Apple charges 300 bucks extra for a stupid Touch Bar smh
MBP 2015: SEVERE Thermal-Throttling problems with CPU and GPU, throttling the CPU speed as much as FIFTY PERCENT after only about a minute of heavy-use.
MBP 2016: NO THERMAL THROTTLING WHATSOEVER. Even though the CPU is about 8% slower, overall throughput is nearly 50% HIGHER than the 2015 model, due to COMPLETE LACK OF THERMAL THROTTLING, due to completely redesigned thermal management, and a much lower-power-consumption CPU and GPU.
"Apple shipped an estimated 4,236 million Macs worldwide"
Really, 56% of the earth's population bought a Mac last quarter?
As a 20+ year IT Veteran, Dell is utter garbage. Always has been and probably always will be. Lenovo Thinkpads are tanks and probably one of the most durable "normal" laptops.
HP is decent and the Spectre x360 I bought in January is every bit as good as a Macbook AND has a touchscreen and pen. It's what Apple should have done if they were actually visionaries.
As much as it pains me to say it, even Win10 has been good to me so far for the past 6 months.
Correction: Phil does like the touchbarThat no one really asked for, wanted or actually uses. It's not even convenient as you need to take your eyes off the screen to use the damn thing!
That doesn't make any sense to me. What system do you have? The processors are faster and run more efficiently, the SSD speeds doubled, and graphics card and I/O speeds are drastically improved.
I can understand if you don't like dongles, or wish they would have had magsafe, or made it thicker for even longer battery (battery is fine IMO). But unless you custom configured an i7 in 2015 and are comparing to an i5 stock or something, I don't think it's accurate to say that you aren't getting a better system now.
I've got a mid 2012 nrMBP that I dearly love, and use to this day.I agree with you completely, and yet the older ones are still so good.![]()
What is the evolution of self-built PCs and upgrades?
Rocking a 2015 MacBook Air and feel no compelling reasons to lay down hard-earned cash to buy something new and shiny. I replace my computers when they break, the batteries die or they no longer run the latest OS.
Come on!' I need 32GB of RAM!!!
I don't get it, laptop market shrinking, tablet market shrinking, desktop market shrinking...do people just want phones, phones, and more phones?
Apple customers are not stupid.
lower the prices, its not rocket science
Sorry but there's absolutely no market conditions excuse for this weakness, it's a reality check for Apple. Look at HP, they grew and at a 4X higher volume. Apple should've absolutely killed it this quarter with the new MBP releases.
Oh really? The whole computer is glued together, and they have been since 2012.5.
It's more expensive then the previous generation.
Can you plug in an iPhone out of the box into a new Macbook Pro? No.
Care to tell me how the new Macbook Pro is more functional than an old one given my points above?
So, you made your entire purchasing decision based on the fact that you didn't want to buy a couple of USB-A to USB-C Cables for $10 or less apiece, or a few simple clip-on USB-A to USB-C Adapters for UNDER $2 apiece!?!?No surprise here. A lot of it depends on what vocation you are in but in mine , I can think of at least a half dozen people like myself who swallowed hard and bought a new last generation MBP in 2016. Reasoning they were good to go for another few years and were able to take advantage of all the extra magsafes power supplies they had and more usable ports. If the new MBP's had even offered even one USB-a port ,one would be sitting on this desk right now. But they didn't and it doesn't.
Marginal improvement unnoticeable to most users, and offset by terrible battery life (which is very relevant to most users).
The definition of a marginal improvement lol. The percentage of users who need more than two 4K displays is very small.
...And again, there's those moving goalposts and strawman arguments...You said it yourself, it was already very fast. Again, most people wouldn't notice the difference.
If they aren't today, they WILL be by the time that the 2016 model is ready for replacement. Why not get ahead of the curve?Lol. HDMI and SD aren't legacy ports, nor is USB-A. They are all dominant current day ports that are useful for productivity.
Still an improvement, and not a marginal one. So, Next!Meh. Touch ID would be nice. Touch Bar is ugly to me, and doesn't seem useful. May even be an annoyance. Certainly not worth a $300+ premium.
Wait! I thought the criteria was "Is this laptop marginally better or not?", NOT "Does this improvement impact MY life":.I'll give you that, but that's what I have headphones and a Bluetooth speaker for.
[/QUOTE]Hands down my least favorite part of the new MBPs because of the way I normally rest my palms.