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Apple's Mac Sales Stagnant in Q2 2017 Amid Continuing Worldwide PC Market Decline

Computers just don't get outdated as fast as they used to for the average consumer. Our 2011 MBP still does everything we need it to without a hiccup. At best I might want one of the nicer screens; hardly worth shelling out thousands of dollars over. Didn't use to be this way. If ten years ago you told me I would buy a computer and WANT to keep it for 7+ years I'd have said you were crazy.

Perhaps we will get there with smartphones too. Hell, I skipped a generation for the first time ever this past cycle.
 
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In the end, computers are compulsory anyway.

It’s only that smartphones & tablets are easier to buy & more ready to you without extra physically add on.

It’s not like people
Will buy new computers every year though right?
 
Relentless Power said:
Except, Apple also charges an extra $300 for the Touch Bar, in addition a slightly faster CPU, Double the Thunderbolt Ports and Touch ID. Yes they charge an extra $300, but you are receiving more than just the Touch Bar as you noted.
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Technology changes and becomes cheaper over time. Yearly improvements should not equal yearly increasing prices, lol.
The Touchbar is the reason for the price increase, and no one even cares about it. If they insist on keeping it, they should find a way to match the old prices.
 
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nvmls said:
The TB MBProfit was made for you, how cool is that? you can set a snark statement shortcut on your TB, type less & look cooler while fingering it.
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Poor assumption on your behalf. I own the Non-Touch Bar model. But have throughly tested the Touch Bar model to understand it has potential and features it includes Over the Non-Touch Bar model. I suggest you Research the capabilities before commenting next time. It would make more sense to you.
 
ugru said:
Well....Guess the new MB and MBP are not selling as well as Apple PR team wants us to think....
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Kim Yung Phil stated that the new MBPs were well received by a far broader audience and sales are stellar => so the World got it wrong
And Moore's Law must be revised; Apple defeated it by price ;)
 
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Apple isn't going to admit that they are wrong and remove the touch bar. But Apple should consider releasing a 15" non-touch bar next year.
 
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Mac Mini and Mac Pro that are 4 years old ?

Mac Books with one port and wooden keyboard for $2k ?

iMacs not upgradable with 5,400rpm drives ?

A SJW CEO that all he does is political activism and has no clue about tech ?

Apple customers are not stupid.
 
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coolspot18 said:
That's a pipe dream until Apple fixed SMB networking, improves Finder, improves graphics performance for gaming, and adds Enterprise features like iSCSI, Active Directory, etc.
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Ok, I'll take the bait.

iSCSI? maybe I can see a possible use of it by oh around 0.0001% of Mac users.
As for Active directory... Thank God Apple does not use it that's all I can say. I lost count of how many times over the years that AD (and everything else related to it) got in the way of my simply trying to do my job. At my last place my team just went and reformatted our company machines, installed Windows 7 and all the tooling we needed to do our job and carried on. The security team didn't like it but when they saw the work we were doing, we got an excemption (we knew that before we started). We weren't in the company domain any more but our logins worked, we could use email and the printers so everything was good. All we needed was local admin rights but 'policy' dictated that user machines were not allowed it.
Thank god I retired. My job went to India where they are really struggling to get the development environment working and that is after 9 months. te-he.
 
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I'm always disappointed that apple doesn't see the need to open MacOS to all hardware or just 3rdparties when it could act like a halo product for iOS. Previously it would have been stupid but now it seems like an essential but accessory to modern computer users who mostly consume on iPhones and androids.

Also while shipment figures are level (aka stagnant in marketing spiel) apple changed hardware massively and probably increased their margins significantly as it went into longer term production. I doubt HP with many more shipments came close to the profits apples made on their sales! I do really wish apple would go the third party route now hardware is so standardised, sure it'll cannibalise Mac sales but some cheaper options to get into the Mac ecosystem is needed more than ever now.
 
to greedy Tim, the iPad lacks:

1. the screen size
2. the OS
3. the power
4. the ports
5. mouse, keyboard
6. expandability

We use a computer every day. Stop telling us to replace our Mac with a toy iPad or a port-less laptop.

The iPad is not a Mac and it will never be.

I remember under Steve every PC company market share was shrinking and Apple was rising.
Under this SJW tool Mac has been disintegrating! sad.
 
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I understand people have issues with new macs these days but come on!

Comments based on these stats are blown way out of proportion.

Their growth slowed by 0.4% and they gained market share!

Based on the comments here Asus and Acer should be bankrupt next quarter since they posted a loss in growth 30 times worse than Apple !
 
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amegicfox said:
to greedy Tim, the iPad lacks:

1. the screen size
2. the OS
3. the power
4. the ports
5. mouse, keyboard
6. expandability

We use a computer every day. Stop telling us to replace our Mac with a toy iPad or a port-less laptop.

The iPad is not a Mac and it will never be.

I remember under Steve every PC company market share was shrinking and Apple was rising.
Under this SJW tool Mac has been disintegrating! sad.
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There are many people that don't have a standard computer and just use their phone. There are also many people that use an iPad as their main computer.

What a computer is to you is not the same as a computer to another person.
 
I've been ready to buy a new Mac for the last few years (to replace my 2013 MacBook Pro) but it seems to me that Apple don't know what direction they want to move in, and I'm not going to make the jump if there's a danger they're going to change things just after I buy.

For example, they told us that the 3.5mm jack was dead and removed it from the iPhone, but kept it on the Mac.

Some Macs have SD card slots, some don't. Some have USB-A, some have USB-C, the iPhone has Lightning.

Some have a touchbar, some don't (does that mean they'll continue with the touchbar or ditch it in favour of something else?).

Plus Windows seems to be getting better.

Once they work out what they're doing, then I'll make a decision. Until then I'm with the millions of others who are just waiting.
 
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vertical smile said:
I wouldn't blame Apple's current Mac performance on market stagnation, because they are also losing market share. To me, if it was just stagnation, then market share would be relatively unchanged.
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Apple's world wide market share has been growing. And world wide is what counts. But never mind, you probably read a different article than the one I read.
 
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MrX8503 said:
There are many people that don't have a standard computer and just use their phone. There are also many people that use an iPad as their main computer.

What a computer is to you is not the same as a computer to another person.
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...implying a postPC-guy can't be CEO of a IT company
 
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McScooby said:
So just when the prices went up? Ain't rocket science, drop the price!;)
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As my boss so succinctly put it "Apple seem to have priced themselves out of the UK market".

Even accounting for a "reasonable" price increase: The 15" MacBook Pro used to cost £1599, it now costs £2349. That's £750 more!

Given that these are new machines, and that Apple dropped integrated graphics from the 15" line, I would have expected them to launch at £2099, then have worked their way down to £1999 at WWDC.
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lordofthereef said:
Computers just don't get outdated as fast as they used to for the average consumer. Our 2011 MBP still does everything we need it to without a hiccup. At best I might want one of the nicer screens; hardly worth shelling out thousands of dollars over. Didn't use to be this way. If ten years ago you told me I would buy a computer and WANT to keep it for 7+ years I'd have said you were crazy.

Perhaps we will get there with smartphones too. Hell, I skipped a generation for the first time ever this past cycle.
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That's true, but there are some nice machines out there with other improvements. I know PCs aren't getting faster and faster every year at the same rate as they used to, but someone I work with has just bought a Dell XPS: 4K 15" screen with very, very small bezels.
 
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