Why are they going to stop putting the prices up! Buying an Apple computer now is like the late 80s!
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Apple's Mac Shipments Down in Q3 2017 Amid Continuing PC Market Decline
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I started with an Apple ][ but already have a Linux based machine in parallel, waiting for my Mac Pro to die. If this happens and if there is no new suitable hardware, I will switch to Linux completely and prob. use a cheap Mini for the things I still need a Mac for in the future. Sad.
I know a lot of angry users with broken GPUs in the 2009/2011 iMacs that are also already gone and won't come back. Apple acted to arrogant and greedy over the last years, its image is damaged and far from likable. Cook and Ive seem to live in a bubble and don't care about public or customer opinion.
I know a lot of angry users with broken GPUs in the 2009/2011 iMacs that are also already gone and won't come back. Apple acted to arrogant and greedy over the last years, its image is damaged and far from likable. Cook and Ive seem to live in a bubble and don't care about public or customer opinion.
Could be Apple aren't making computers the Apple customer wants.
Seems thinner, soldered in and fewer ports correlates to overall fewer sales.
Seems thinner, soldered in and fewer ports correlates to overall fewer sales.
In the short term, the prices really need to come down. The 2017 MacBook I just bought would be a fantastic student machine, but not at £1,250 for the base model. The 2017 13 inch MacBook Pro also starts too high, at £1,250, plus it only has 128GB of storage and 8GB of RAM, which is pitiful for a machine costing that much.
In the longer term, I think Apple needs to come up with some new designs at prices that will tempt students and general consumers. Relying on enthusiasts and 'pros' is a very narrow market and I'm not even sure they are doing that great a job for them either, with no truly powerful and expandable desktop machine and some questionable design choices for their laptops.
In the longer term, I think Apple needs to come up with some new designs at prices that will tempt students and general consumers. Relying on enthusiasts and 'pros' is a very narrow market and I'm not even sure they are doing that great a job for them either, with no truly powerful and expandable desktop machine and some questionable design choices for their laptops.
I think, this depends a lot on the field.
The EE students near me nowadays have far fewer Macs than they had like 3 years ago. Price is one reason, the other might be that you also need your computer to connect to various hardware development tools that still require physical connectors. It is fine for the general population to move towards virtual assets in the cloud.
However, there are still some places where the rubber must meet the road and Apple seems no longer to cater for these (I guess they never really did, but people found ways to work around this in the past...).
Hmmmm maybe cause modern computers no longer come to a halt running a virus scanner , I threw the virus scanner there for you
Though, as you pointed out , HP is doing okay
maybe Acer and ASUS also made dumb decision eh? Unusual drop for Apple eh? Maybe to expansive ? Too late ?If Apple offered the previous keyboard, Nvidia 1080 Ti GPU, 32GB RAM and Rose Pink version, I would have bought it already.
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Lots of rich Chinese can afford to pay for the brand products even the hardware are not so good and outdated. Apple only needs to make the products thin and look stylish. These customers just line up to buy. Apple does not need to innovate. Appearance rather than performance design is their top priority.
In Canada, we can choose English, French and Chinese keyboards when we order the MBP. Why no Japanese nor Korean keyboards?
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Lots of rich Chinese can afford to pay for the brand products even the hardware are not so good and outdated. Apple only needs to make the products thin and look stylish. These customers just line up to buy. Apple does not need to innovate. Appearance rather than performance design is their top priority.
In Canada, we can choose English, French and Chinese keyboards when we order the MBP. Why no Japanese nor Korean keyboards?
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All everyone ever wanted what a MacBook Air with much smaller bezels, a retina display, and a USB C port. Not a revolutionary update, but a very useful one.
Instead, we got:
We should have seen it coming, given the de-evolution of the MacPro into the TrashCan.
Instead, we got:
- 12" MacBook "replacement" with a worse CPU and a funky keyboard.
- Removal of Magsafe across the board.
- Removal of other still-used ports on most units.
- A touchbar on other models that no one asked for, and removal of a physical Escape key.
- A huge touchpad no one asked for.
- Price increases across the board.
We should have seen it coming, given the de-evolution of the MacPro into the TrashCan.
Because they are too expensive and the keyboard is crap. Due to the price hike they might still make more money...
The only decent Apple computers at this time are the iMacs.
Not everyone wants an iMac, not everyone has funds for an iMac.
Where are monitors?
Where are AirPorts?
Where is the Apple "ecosystem"?
Where is the MacPro?
Where is the MacMini?
The rMBP isn't a quality bargain, the specs aren't enthusing.
The rMB is overpriced for what it delivers.
If Apple wants to dominate the receding desktop/laptop market, they just have to focus on it and provide.
IMO--Apple is getting ready to ditch the desktop/laptop market in the next 5-7 years and roll their iPads into the "new desktop" paradigm, utilizing their own Axx chips and an expanded iOS.
They'll keep the "high end" desktops and laptops going. The rMB design is probably a prototype for the rMBP in 3+ years when the processors and inner workings of the laptops can go fanless . MacMini will be dropped in the 20s, if not already. The MacPro will probably continue on with iMac Pros through the 20s, but will have to become part of a ultra-prestige micro-niche if kept in the product line... they are already there, almost.
Not everyone wants an iMac, not everyone has funds for an iMac.
Where are monitors?
Where are AirPorts?
Where is the Apple "ecosystem"?
Where is the MacPro?
Where is the MacMini?
The rMBP isn't a quality bargain, the specs aren't enthusing.
The rMB is overpriced for what it delivers.
If Apple wants to dominate the receding desktop/laptop market, they just have to focus on it and provide.
IMO--Apple is getting ready to ditch the desktop/laptop market in the next 5-7 years and roll their iPads into the "new desktop" paradigm, utilizing their own Axx chips and an expanded iOS.
They'll keep the "high end" desktops and laptops going. The rMB design is probably a prototype for the rMBP in 3+ years when the processors and inner workings of the laptops can go fanless . MacMini will be dropped in the 20s, if not already. The MacPro will probably continue on with iMac Pros through the 20s, but will have to become part of a ultra-prestige micro-niche if kept in the product line... they are already there, almost.
No excuse to be #5 when you own the whole mac market. This is on Apple and their priorities. Marketing is nonexistent. The average person wouldn't know the benefits of a Mac. Apple doesn't really help much on the software front.
The title is a bit misleading. Mac sales typically went up, and fast, as the PC market declined. It should read something like.. Mac sales suddenly down after years of growth. Their laptops and desktops have been the most solid built machines ever up until this nonsense logic came up: thin, for thins sake, remove all ports, and attitude of 'allude to the teenagers that like pretty toys.'
Yep, pretty much. Apple is fully aware of what they're doing which isn't much. iOS is undoubtedly their future because of the app store and just going through the motions with macs.
FWIW, I hate the imac because of all in one. I have one. But I don't desire to buy another 5k monitor when I upgrade but have to. Ahh, what could've been with the ecosystem. It's absolutely the wrong move given this is the heart of Apple.
How would it kill the high end models? People that shop for $700 computers don't suddenly buy a $2,400 work horse because apple isn't selling one. Its to create a market for iPad pros.
That's the conclusion I came to when I needed to upgrade and wanted a big retina display. I think the lower end 27" models are still pretty good value because of the display, although less so these days.
They are killing the market on their own. It's too expensive and old machines aren't too bad.. I've gotten iMacs in 2001, 2006, 2009 and 2012. In each of those years the iMac I wanted was $2000 or just over. Now if I price out an iMac I want it's bloody $3000 and that's after waiting two years for an updated model. So I'll hold on to my late 2012. So what if it won't unlock my watch.
(I'm actually posting this on my 2006 iMac in the kitchen -- it's running Ubuntu 16.04 Linux! -- I gave away my clamshell iMac -- still kicking myself I did that)
(I'm actually posting this on my 2006 iMac in the kitchen -- it's running Ubuntu 16.04 Linux! -- I gave away my clamshell iMac -- still kicking myself I did that)
I'm just wondering who bought 4.6 million Macs in the last 3 months despite all their recent flaws. That's all.
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Their are 3 years outdated, and are way overpriced for the parts they put inside.
Gee... Did Apple forget the Pro's here? Yep! The real Pro's are still waiting...
We need USB-A ports, MageSafe (built-in) removable/upgradable memory & drives. And Apple we don't want dongles! or soldered RAM and Drives! And Yes! We still want USB-C but not with the loss of USB-A and Ethernet.
We also what still bigger and faster storage the option for 32 GB of RAM, RAID drives onboard! And don't forget power bigger batteries! As for weight sure I'd like as light a system as I can get. But, focus on function first! I can lug a heaver system as long as I don't need to carry so much junk (dongles & backup battery) which are more weight when packing!
So Apple when will we see the REAL MacBook Pro's for Pro's how about a adding a 17" I know many pro's that will do anything for a bigger screened system.
We need USB-A ports, MageSafe (built-in) removable/upgradable memory & drives. And Apple we don't want dongles! or soldered RAM and Drives! And Yes! We still want USB-C but not with the loss of USB-A and Ethernet.
We also what still bigger and faster storage the option for 32 GB of RAM, RAID drives onboard! And don't forget power bigger batteries! As for weight sure I'd like as light a system as I can get. But, focus on function first! I can lug a heaver system as long as I don't need to carry so much junk (dongles & backup battery) which are more weight when packing!
So Apple when will we see the REAL MacBook Pro's for Pro's how about a adding a 17" I know many pro's that will do anything for a bigger screened system.
Why are they going to bring back MagSafe? Add some USB-A ports, just one would be nice? Allow us to upgrade RAM and HD again? I know a real keyboard, something that comes close to my Thinkpad?
I have a fully loaded (i7, 16gig, 512meg SSD, 750M GPU), at the time, late 2013 15" RMBP. Besides not having a real Ethernet port is my favorite laptop ever, even to this day. The power/size/weight ratio is simply perfect.
I have tried out a new 15inch MBP and the keyboard is horrible. The touchbar does nothing for me, and the lack of MagSafe is utterly disappointing. Lacking any USB-A ports I would need at least two new dongles just to use they stuff I plug into my current MBP, probably 3 at $150?
Sadly I doubt I will ever buy another Mac.
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Honestly I doubt very much that the home built gaming PC market makes up even 1% of the "computer" market share. I bet in terms of numbers Chromebooks now outpace the home built gaming PC numbers.
The PC gaming industry does make billion in software sales. However I recently read out of the 27 billion it made that something like 90% of that money comes from a handful of free to play/pay to play games like League of Legends, DOTA 2 and World of Warcraft. All of those games are DX9 games that will run OK on Intel GPU's. Those game makers want it to run on anything. AAA games like BF1 and Call of Duty etc, have tiny sales on the PC side, with 90% of those game sales coming from consoles.
Bull. These arguments have been going on for years. There’s always some major flaw that supposedly makes Apple products (esp the iPhone) inferior and overpriced. Yet they still get record sales year after year.
The vocal minority who whine online don’t represent actual buyers.
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Agreed. Since they like the iPad/iPhone/iOS so much, they should stop keeping the wheel from spinning by allowing Mac OS to run on non-Apple computer.
It's likely because the Touchbar MacBook Pro is a crippled donglefest that nobody wants to put up with (certainly not "pros")
This!
Last month I bout a Lenovo E570. Base Price was $850 on sale. i7-7500 KabyLake, 8gig of DDR4 RAM (single stick), 15inch HD IPS Screen, Nvidia 950M 2gig plus Intel GPU, 256gig M2 PCIE HD, Intel AC wireless. Ports GIGE Ethernet, 3-USB A 3.1 ports, HDMI, SD Card reader, VGA. I bought another 8gig stick to bring it up to 16gig, it supports up to 32gig. I also bought a 1TB Samsung 960 EVO, M2 PCIE SSD, and finally another 90watt power brick. Total was about $1400.
The computer is blazing fast, I mean cold power on to login 5 seconds at the most, mostly because of the M2 SSD. It is expandable in terms of RAM and HD. It has a great set of ports. The keyboard is typical Thinkpad or about 100x better than the latest MBP's. The trackpad is not as good but very close as it is a certified "Microsoft Precision Trackpad". It is heavier and thicker than the MBP and is plastic. Sitting on the same table as my 15inch late 2013 MBP, that weight and thickness do not matter once I start using it. The best part for me as a network person, I do not have to run a VM just for Microsoft Visio anymore!
Pricing out the lowest end 15inch MBP, the one with no toucbar, with a 2.5ghz i7 (true quad core) vs my 2.7ghz, 16gigs of RAM (maxed) and 1TB SSD (I believe they are M2 PCIE now) soldered in, would run me $2699. Ad another power brick...$2799.
So the price difference is $1400....or basically a second Lenovo with my specs. Hey the Mac is thinner and looks nicer and when I carry it from my bag to the desk I can feel that cool aluminum in my hands!
