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Apple's Market Capitalization Hits Record $700 Billion

brianvictor7 said:
It is a joke that never gets old because there are so many pundits out there who never get tired of somehow spinning Apple's success as the surest sign that it is about to fail. The Macalope over at MacWorld roasts those pundits on a regular basis, so I know that this is not an exaggeration. Oh, and last night I caught an article all on my own basically explaining why this was bad news.
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You can always find idiotic opinions on the web about anything. But most of the popular Apple sites have taken a stance not to link to click bait articles anymore - because it's no longer fun or funny. As a result, we see a lot less of click baiting now because the traffic draw no longer exists from sites like daringfireball and theloop.
 
MacBH928 said:
I don't know how these markets work, but its hard to believe that Apple that sells cellphones and computers are worth more than double GE which manufactures everything from health care to aviation.

Also, Samsung who is a direct competitor with Apple's iPhone is in many more markets including building chips, TVs, refrigerators, cameras, and more is no where as big as that.

How?
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Assuming your question is a real one....

I don't know about GE specifically, but the basic answer is that sales are not important. If I sell you $1 for 99 cents, you will buy all you can get your hands on, but that doesn't make my little operation a good, valuable business.

That's about as simply as I can answer your question.
 
SirCheese said:
Sure it's convenient, but to say it helps your quality of life. Meh.

Also, best is subjective.
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Well some people like me see it as indispensable. It would be a long hard cold turkey to have to live without something like this.

That's why people buy the new one every year. The iPhone 6 had one new feature. A bigger screen. I'm sure the 6S or 7 will be just as compelling.

They break first week sales records every single year.
 
cameronjpu said:
By the time 2 more years pass from now, consumers will not be on a two year contract renewal schedule anymore. They already aren't almost anywhere else in the world, and the speed with which the US providers have moved to make buyers feel the true price of their phone has been shocking.

I'm shocked how many iPhone 4/4S users I see out there even now, when most users ARE on a two year upgrade process. So many users say they don't want a bigger phone. That's why I'm highly confident that Apple will upgrade the guts of at least the 5 form factor. What better time to do that than the April/May timeframe, when Apple historically sees a plunge in revenue? Kill two birds with one stone - Apple will surely not abandon the users who agree with what Apple thought until last month - that 4" is plenty. Apple will give them a way to get modern CPU and other technologies, mark my words.
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That's just a guess that contracts will be gone in 2 years. It's certainly possible but it's not a prediction I'd make until I see Verizon or AT&T make bigger changes than just the Edge program type stuff. Just about 5 years ago, people told me phones would have 1 TB storage right about now...not that I believed it in any way but the point is that making these predictions is not so simple.

My guess is that people will hold onto the iPhone 5S and older until Apple makes a smaller phone again. Myself and many, many people I know are disappointed with larger phones from everyone including Apple.
 
SirCheese said:
Totally! Because it's the same thing! /s
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How isn't it? Intel sells commodity products, computer processors are not a breakthrough product, there's very little innovation in there aside from making things smaller and cooler - which is usually not even cooked up by Intel or whomever else but by companies who focus solely on the manufacturing techniques and even university research departments.

They're a low margin business as well, and the end user wouldn't even know they exist without an intel sticker on someone else's product. People who make electronics components are not the gurus behind all of the world's technology, no matter how much they want to tell you otherwise.

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SirCheese said:
Only all the laptops/desktops they build.
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Ok, you're just flat out wrong now.
 
SirCheese said:
It's actually a **** analogy considering you need food to survive. A phone? No.
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Jeez man, you really fail in the logic department. Food is to eating as Phone is to communicating. You don't need a chef to prepare your food and you don't need a phone to communicate...but both are quite an improvement.
 
Iconoclysm said:
How isn't it? Intel sells commodity products, computer processors are not a breakthrough product, there's very little innovation in there aside from making things smaller and cooler - which is usually not even cooked up by Intel or whomever else but by companies who focus solely on the manufacturing techniques and even university research departments.

They're a low margin business as well, and the end user wouldn't even know they exist without an intel sticker on someone else's product. People who make electronics components are not the gurus behind all of the world's technology, no matter how much they want to tell you otherwise.

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Ok, you're just flat out wrong now.
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Apple sells commodity products, Intel RUNS those products except the iPhone. What about this are you not grasping?

Point me to where I am wrong that Intel isn't in all the laptops/PCs? What other manufacturer is in them? It's not AMD. It's not ARM. It's Intel.
 
SirCheese said:
How well would Apple do without Intel? They wouldn't.
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If Intel didn't exist, Apple would do very well using AMD processors, like everyone else would. If AMD didn't exist either, Apple would do very well using Cyrix processors. Or Motorola and IBM would be the worlds greatest processor manufacturers, and we would all have MacBooks with PowerPCs, and all the PC users would also have PowerPCs.
 
vampyr said:
Market Cap doesn't really mean anything. It's just the total number of outstanding shares X the value of the share.

Some people say it's what the company is worth to investors. And this is wrong too... the company's worth is the total of all its assets at any point in time.

But whatever... if we're just talking numbers... I'm long BABA!!!
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No, that isn't right. What you are talking about is "book value". If you take a diamond ring, you may have $200 worth of gold and $500 worth of diamond but the diamond ring is worth $1,500. The majority of the value of Apple is not its assets, but its ability to sell iPhones, iPads and Macs to millions and millions of people.

Take a window cleaner. His assets are almost zero (a ladder and a bucket full of water, and if he hasn't repaid his parents the money he borrowed to buy the ladder, his assets are zero). The value of his business is the long lists of clients that he visits on a weekly tour and that pay him money every time he turns up.
 
SirCheese said:
Apple sells commodity products, Intel RUNS those products except the iPhone. What about this are you not grasping?

Point me to where I am wrong that Intel isn't in all the laptops/PCs? What other manufacturer is in them? It's not AMD. It's not ARM. It's Intel.
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Intel's products are a commodity because they are typically traded between companies for use in consumer products, not the consumer themselves.

A commodity basically means that a product has become a "given" in other products - a processor is a processor is a processor.

Intel RUNS nothing, they sell a chip full of transistors for code to run on top of. iPhone is Apple's biggest revenue maker by far, followed by iPad...neither have Intel processors. I believe you are under the mistaken impression that chip manufacturers are the real brains behind the computer industry and you're incredibly far off the mark with that if it's the case. Innovation doesn't come from those places.

Prior to Intel, Apple used IBM PowerPC's in their products...and it looks like in the future they may even move on from Intel. Your statement was that ALL of Apple's laptops and desktops used Intel, not all of their CURRENT ones.

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patent10021 said:
Who said anything about everything? What they need/ed to fix was solvable with cash ages ago.
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And yet again, I fall back on the same statement. What you need is a good strategy, simply throwing money at it doesn't fix anything. Hire a strategist, give him some money...hope he doesn't suck.
 
Klae17 said:
All their recent fails:

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The stock market is crazy.
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Crazy, perhaps. But also it's because investors think this "failing" company is less of a failure than even cash (which failing governments can print), or index funds, etc. Choose your poison.

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SirCheese said:
Yes, it totally improves peoples lives! /s
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If a consumer buys an iPhone, it's because they think a iPhone in their pocket will improve their life by more than just keeping the cash in their pocket (or spending their cash on something else).

Totally!
 
IJ Reilly said:
In a way. Jobs was in favor of hoarding cash. That is all we really know. He resisted all efforts by stockholders to discover why he thought too much was never enough.

The real bottom line is a company that stockpiles cash is going to be seen as expressing a lack of confidence in the future of the company. Further, a company that won't buy back shares when the price is low is expressing the sentiment that it will go lower rather than higher.
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Sure. SJ didn't give a hoot about the stock price. His ego was focused on products and Apple internals.
Mind you, I agree with the buyback program, all shareholders do :)
 
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