Apple's Massive 'Steve Jobs Patent' for the iPhone Reconfirmed in its Entirety

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  1. everything-i macrumors 6502a

    Jun 20, 2012
    London, UK
    This is probably very close to the actual reality of the situation. After all, the projects he headed were all over the place when I got the boot. Maps was probably the final nail in his coffin.
  2. Delegator macrumors member

    Feb 13, 2008
    It is easy to forget, 6 years after the original iPhone and with so many competitors copying it, how big a step forward it was. Go back and look at the original iPhone reviews and you'll see what reviewers were looking at...we don't even think about handheld devices in the same way anymore.
  3. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    It's the scroll lock patent. You know, where a swipe can either move the screen around, or just do a vertical or horizontal scroll, depending on the angle.

    (Judge Posner did not like this patent because it had no angle ranges. Pretty vague patent in some ways.)


    You'll actually see a lot of the same drawings and pages used in multiple Apple patents, as their standard background introduction.

    Which is weird in a way, since it's neither the most well known (like slide-to-unlock) nor important iPhone related patent. But it was the first people saw with all the drawings, and with Jobs name ceremonially listed at the top along with former SVP Forstall, so that made it famous.

    Interestingly, 85% of those are ornamental design patents. Such as the look of the Mac Mini, where he's listed among a dozen others.

    Besides the patent shown in this thread, the few utility patents where he was listed first, included one for the Off slider, and one for an icon changing shape while being dragged.
  4. liavman macrumors 6502

    Sep 22, 2009
    Eric, I wonder if you really meant to include the word 'but' in that sentence. That sentence is not contrary to the previous sentence.
  5. Mark Booth macrumors 68000

    Mark Booth

    Jan 16, 2008
    Jobs had the vision to see where the puck was going to be and skate to it. There were NO guarantees that the iPhone would be a success. Jobs literally bet the farm on the iPhone, a gamble that has paid off to titanic proportions.

    On the other hand, Samsung (and others) haven't truly innovated a damn thing in the multi-touch space. They keep skating to where the puck was a few moments ago and, along the way, steal Apple's ideas.

    This will all be tied up in the courts for many more years to come. But it's becoming increasingly obvious that, ultimately, Samsung, Google and their ilk are going to have to pay the piper.

    It's too bad that Steve Jobs didn't live long enough to enjoy the final outcome. But, today, I'll hoist a cold one in Steve's honor for having the balls to see the future and gamble his company on making it happen!

  6. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    Ive is the old Ive.

    Steve had a strategy that worked and demonstrated to the world that it worked. That's his legacy. Tim Cook will be following that strategy (no matter how many analysts say it is wrong). Mistakes are made, like hiring the wrong guy to run retail which it seems is now being fixed. Some people turn out less effective than hoped and have to leave, like Forstall.

    But as long as Apple stays with it's strategy, they'll be fine. If Ive left, they'd have enough money to hire someone who is almost as good, or maybe even just as good, and can be convinced to _not_ make a name for himself by changing everything.
  7. unlinked macrumors 6502a

    Jul 12, 2010
    That is kinda lame.
  8. See Flat macrumors member

    Oct 24, 2007
    Totally agree on the Nutty part.:apple:
  9. Piggie macrumors G3


    Feb 23, 2010
    Indeed yes.
    I'm sure you would love to live in a world where Apple had zero competition to any of it's products.

    How far back do you think we would be in such a world?
  10. Gemütlichkeit macrumors 65816


    Nov 17, 2010
  11. Shasterball macrumors 6502a


    Oct 19, 2007
    Lol. Seems like it. Though the order really has no effect. Other than the patent being called the "X" patent where X is the first named inventor.
  12. Gemütlichkeit macrumors 65816


    Nov 17, 2010
    Or you living in a world where IP are all used and abused and innovation takes a back seat.
  13. mateus macrumors member


    Sep 30, 2007
    Bottom right icon says "user-created widget". Was this to be a Dashboard style widget that never got implemented?
  14. MikhailT macrumors 601

    Nov 12, 2007
    What they meant is that it is now more difficult to invalidate the patents, thus making it stronger for Apple to resist companies trying to invalidate the patent, like they've tried to do with many other Apple patents.

    Once it survives the reexamination process, it is very rarely that it'd get challenged again later with extremely low chance of total invalidation.
  15. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    They already did.

    This was one of the two patents that Apple used to get Samsung's (old) phones recently banned from import.

    However, Samsung has used a different method for at least the past year, so I believe that it doesn't affect models made (or updated) since then. (I'm not sure, but I think that Apple is disputing the workaround.)
  16. furi0usbee macrumors 68000


    Jul 11, 2008
    What?? Of course this patent is now stronger. There is no error. What, Samsung/Google are now going to challenge it in court after it's been reaffirmed for all 20 claims? Apple can walk into court with a valid patent, with what amounts to a full overview. An affirmation that the patent is good and valid.

    Yes, it's MUCH stronger now. Suing Apple on any of those patents will be pretty much fruit(apple)less from here on out.

    Go Apple!

    So pre-iPhone 1, Apple was stealing ideas from Motorola, Nokia, Blackberry, et al???? No Apple was creating ideas (and patenting them).

    Go Steve!



    Don't we have something like this now, where we can put a bookmark icon on the home screen?
  17. jayducharme macrumors 68040


    Jun 22, 2006
    The thick of it
    That's not too farfetched a thought. Jobs was a big proponent of making technology "friendly" by giving human interfaces a human component. I'd bet that he loved Forstall's focus on fake leather and stitching and flipping pages. All those details made the iPhone feel "friendly" and relatable.

    While Ive's design is more artistically coherent, that fun human element is gone and the technology now somehow feels a bit "colder."
  18. haruhiko macrumors 601


    Sep 29, 2009
    I think that is the web apps / websites that are added to the homescreen.
  19. Casiotone macrumors 6502a


    Oct 12, 2008
    I remember that the scroll lock was triggered much more easily in early versions of iPhone OS/iOS, which was sometimes annoying. But I think they went too far the other direction and these days I often find that the scroll doesn't lock horizontally/vertically as expected even if I did scroll in a straight line.
  20. joneill55 macrumors 6502

    Sep 11, 2007
    Here's to the crazy ones............think different!
  21. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    They're just not going to ask for injunctions if a licensee is negotiating in good faith. Which was their position all along.

    The problem was, some EU judges were saying that SEP injunctions were okay no matter what, while the EU Commission kept quiet for a long time, then suddenly decided injunctions during negotiations were bad.

    So the question is, was Apple negotiating in good faith? The EU Commission leans to thinking that a single negotiation, even if a while back, counts.
  22. djtech42 macrumors 65816


    Jun 23, 2012
    Mason, OH
    "User-created widget" Hmm

    Also, what is that blog icon?
  23. kdarling macrumors P6


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    They even listed a "Widget Creator Module", which is interesting:


    It's really too bad that Jobs killed off Hypercard, and did not want an interpreted programming language ability on the iPhone.

    Feels like he wanted to keep control over both apps and app revenue.
  24. Pyrrhic Victory macrumors regular

    Feb 6, 2012
    Notice how Scott Forstall is #2 on the list, while Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, Eddy Cue, and Jonathan Ive aren't on the patent at all. It goes to show who really was in charge of innovation at Apple, and why it has slowed to a glacial crawl once he got sacked.
  25. Tiger8 macrumors 68020

    May 23, 2011
    Maybe it was dropped for Simplicity? Maybe hardware was not on par? Power issues?

    And hey, if I come with something like the iPhone, you bet I will want to milk it and have full control over it. This aint' a charity lol

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