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For some the notch creates a perception something is wrong. Quite a few people are irked when they see black bars above-and-below or on both sides of an image on a flatscreen television. They are still seeing the full image as originally made, but they still feel something is missing or wrong.
 
They did take up screen real estate. The notch cannot be used for anything other than a notch, and it is strange to have the screen wrapping around it when any images that are in the screen are blocked out because of the notch. It was a bad design decision.
The notch goes into the menu bar space, which isn’t really used for anything except the menu bar. It looked weird and disappointing to me when it was first announced, but I’ve had a 14” MBP since November and literally haven’t thought about it once after the first hour of using it: it never gets in the way, so why would you?
 
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The last Apple mouse I have used.
 

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The Apple Mouse is literally a non issue. It takes 2 minutes of charge to get 8 hours of battery and if you can't remember to plug it in once a month while you sleep, then that's on you. You shouldn't need to use the mouse while it's plugged in.
 
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There's a difference between a flaw and someone's opinion about a design decision. A connecting cable that fails under normal usage is a flaw, deciding to put a charging plug underneath the MM is a design decision. Whether or not it was a good one is an opinion.

People complain you can't use the mouse while charging, and yet offer up solutions like a charging stand that would do the exact same thing.

A couple of minutes of charging will yield hours of run time for the MM. It takes about the same amount of time to get and replace batteries in a battery operated one, many off which have no option to use with a cable if teh batteries are dead? Is that a flaw? If you consider not being able to use a mouse when its batteries are dead then it's a flaw in non-rechargable battery powered mice; but I suspect most people would not call it one.

Apple, over the years, has had a number of flawed products, but the MM's isn't one of them. Apple has also made a lot of bad design decisions over the years as well, what they are differ because opinions differ.
The MM charging port is a design flaw all over of course. User is unable to use the device while charging it, top notch UX right there.

Also it's battery capacity it's not that great either, we have cheap laser logitech mouses lasting about a year on 2 AA batteries, Apple's won't even last a month under strong usage.

A mouse & charging stand have very different purposes.
 
The Apple Mouse is literally a non issue. It takes 2 minutes of charge to get 8 hours of battery and if you can't remember to plug it in once a month while you sleep, then that's on you. You shouldn't need to use the mouse while it's plugged in.
That's false, you don't get 8 hours after 2 minutes. Clearly you don't use one. Ergonomics are questionable as well.

"Plug it in while you sleep" - it's a mouse not a phone.
 
My 2 cents:
  1. The charging solution is inelegant but in the real world not that big of a deal. What I have a huge problem with - is the atrocious ergonomics. I love the Magic Mouse functionality, but I've always found it a bit uncomfortable. Still, I kept using it. And - after a few years I developed real health problems (wrist pains/carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms). Switching to MX Master solved everything (problem-free ~3 years now).
  2. A total disaster. I truly hated that remote.
  3. Again, very inelegant, but wasn't a big deal. Of course, 2nd generation Pencil is much, much better.
  4. Don't have AirPods Max, but the case looks like garbage.
  5. Never had issues with the butterfly keyboard. Nonetheless, it is good we're back to more reliable solutions.
  6. I still remember how pissed off I was of the arrogance of the Phil "ass innovator" Schiller. They neglected the Pro market for so long and then the smug announcement of a product no one asked them to make. The last MBP gives hope that we're finally over that dark period of Apple. Fingers crossed!
I remember that announcement and took Phil's comment as being proud of the Mac Pro 2013. Yes...it might not have been what the Pro market wanted, but we have to remember at that time what was happening in the market. Apple was pushing thunderbolt and pushing the industry to change (or upgrade). It just did not work out as the industry was slow or did not want too (and that is ok). Apple was pushing the industry too much at the the time as the prospect of Laptops and desktops might be going out due to the new innovation and firewire quickly gone, then thunderbolt 1 and a year later thunderbolt 2 etc.. Sony and IBM thought they saw the writing on the wall and Microsoft also thought their innovations of hibrid tables/computers would be the next norm and thought "the death of the computer", but consumers still want laptops and desktops over tablets and only using the iphone. Business is always slow to change etc.

You may be correct about the Phil comment, but Apple was doing a bunch of things behind the scenes (like redesigning the Mac Pro and probably looking and experimenting with the Silicon world etc.) while the world was ripping them heavily for "no innovation" and questioned Tim Cook's abilities and was getting too much compared to Steve Jobs etc. (understandable).

The Mac Pro design and the insides are incredible and nothing at the time compared...but...you could only REALLY know if a product is good until it is used in the real world. They found out the hard way (as some of us...including myself) did that they did not anticipate the issues with it. The industry did not move fast with the redesign of FCP (or did not want to spend the money on all new technologies like external thunderbolt equipment etc.) and the consumer did not want to dump all of their gear and buy all over again to fit the "new" for the Mac Pro 2013" philosophy. If the Mac Pro 2013 came out "Now" with silicon...the story might be different. The arrogance was that they took too long to admit the mistake and wanted to still make some money on it. I was pissed off because six months after I bought, they lowered the price by a $1,000 etc.

Again, not defending Phil or Apple (not a die-hard) ...but when watching Phil when he said that statement it looked to me that he thought everyone would be "wow-ed" at what they did. It looked cool...compact...but the functionality for the Pros just was not there.
 
That's false, you don't get 8 hours after 2 minutes. Clearly you don't use one. Ergonomics are questionable as well.

"Plug it in while you sleep" - it's a mouse not a phone.
No, it's true. Apple stated in 2015 that the Magic Mouse II could get 9 hours of charge in 2 minutes.


"Apple has said that the Magic Mouse 2 (along with the Magic Trackpad 2 and the Magic Keyboard) are fast-charging devices; the mouse can get nine hours’ worth of battery life in about two minutes. So, in the time it takes for you to visit the bathroom, stand up because your Apple Watch told you to, or go to the kitchen to grab a beverage, your drained Magic Mouse 2 will have a charge that will last a typical working day. Really, the charging port on the bottom of the mouse isn’t a problem—but sometimes people need any excuse to be outraged over Apple products. Apple’s press release says a fully charged battery can last “about a month or more.”

People that think this is an actual issue per design are at least six years behind the times.
 
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That's false, you don't get 8 hours after 2 minutes. Clearly you don't use one. Ergonomics are questionable as well.

"Plug it in while you sleep" - it's a mouse not a phone.
For real. 2 minutes of charge will give you 8 hours of use.

I mean once a month you can just plug it in before bed. Can't use your computer while you're sleeping anyway.
 
TL;DR: Design is all about choices. Not everyone will agree on what is a good design. Buy what meets your definition of good design.

The fact that you figured out a workflow to not have to deal with issues doesn’t make it a good design. You’re luckily getting some warning from the os before you’re stranded but there’s plenty mice that can be charged and used at the same time - which certainly is the better approach from a product development standpoint.

That's the thing about competition - if you don't like one manufacturers design choices buy something you like. Every design involves tradeoffs, better is in the eye of the beholder.

To carry on about the mouse.

Do you see any difference in the 2 mice in the below photo? One has AA batteries, the other the built in battery. Weight difference is negligible. They both do exactly the same thing. For what good reason did Apple replace AA's in the mouse? Why fix what is not broken? What do we do when the built in battery fails? Buy a whole new mouse? Same goes for the BT keyboard and trackpad. Apple batteries don't exactly have the best track record.

Who knows? Less electronic waste?

Now in the next photo you can clearly see the difference in thickness between the 2 laptops, largely because they removed a part that few people use anymore, the CD drive. The rack of CD's you see in the background are mostly for show, I play more vinyls, and Spotify now. But it is true, I just don't need a CD player in a laptop anymore, so good design decision there.

That's the thing about dsign choices - good is relative. I don't miss the CD drive, especially since I can simply attach an external one when needed. But one person's good choice is another's bad one. I like the adition of an SD slot, but think Magsafe should hve been left out in favor of a 4th TB port; since Apple could make a Magsafe style USBC Cable to get the benefits of Magsafeand have 100W charging (240W with newer spec). Same with HDMI. Others, OTOH, find the useful. Neither opinion is wrong.

In the case of these phones, removing the AA battery pack you see in the big Nokia and redesigning the mobile phone in general was a good idea, because like a laptop, a phone is something we carry around, so smaller and lighter is always good. But when it comes to a mouse, it is something that slides just a few centimetres around on a desk, and does the same job it always has, with the same size hands we've always had.

Having had one of the old Motorola flip phones with an extended battery pack, I agree going smaller as battery tech improved was a good idea. Bt smaller is not alays better if usability is impacted. For example, I have a tiny USB HP mouse, about the size of a bite size candy bar. It is simply two small to use effectively. Similarly with keyboards.

The Apple Mouse is literally a non issue. It takes 2 minutes of charge to get 8 hours of battery and if you can't remember to plug it in once a month while you sleep, then that's on you. You shouldn't need to use the mouse while it's plugged in.

Exactly.

The MM charging port is a design flaw all over of course. User is unable to use the device while charging it, top notch UX right there.

We just clearly have a difference of opinion here.

Also it's battery capacity it's not that great either, we have cheap laser logitech mouses lasting about a year on 2 AA batteries, Apple's won't even last a month under strong usage.

Then get an AA powered mouse. No one is forcing you to use a mouse you think is flawed.

A mouse & charging stand have very different purposes.

My point was people complained about not being able to use the MM while charging and then offered soultions that do just that as well.

That's false, you don't get 8 hours after 2 minutes. Clearly you don't use one. Ergonomics are questionable as well.

My experience is you can.

"Plug it in while you sleep" - it's a mouse not a phone.

Eitehr way it will be charged when you are ready to use it. As for phones, I can't ise my EarPods and charge my phone at the same time, so I guess that is a flaw in the iPhone design as well?

For real. 2 minutes of charge will give you 8 hours of use.

Same experience here while I used my MM.

I mean once a month you can just plug it in before bed. Can't use your computer while you're sleeping anyway.

You assume some people sleep and not use their Mac 24x7...
 
No, it's true. Apple stated in 2015 that the Magic Mouse II could get 9 hours of charge in 2 minutes.


"Apple has said that the Magic Mouse 2 (along with the Magic Trackpad 2 and the Magic Keyboard) are fast-charging devices; the mouse can get nine hours’ worth of battery life in about two minutes. So, in the time it takes for you to visit the bathroom, stand up because your Apple Watch told you to, or go to the kitchen to grab a beverage, your drained Magic Mouse 2 will have a charge that will last a typical working day. Really, the charging port on the bottom of the mouse isn’t a problem—but sometimes people need any excuse to be outraged over Apple products. Apple’s press release says a fully charged battery can last “about a month or more.”

People that think this is an actual issue per design are at least six years behind the times.
Are you using one? Because that's clearly PR smoke.
 
For real. 2 minutes of charge will give you 8 hours of use.

I mean once a month you can just plug it in before bed. Can't use your computer while you're sleeping anyway.
If you are ok with the richest company delivering a flawed product, great for you.
 
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If you are ok with the richest company delivering a flawed product, great for you.
Yeah I don't see it as a flaw. Like I said, I use this mouse wirelessly. I don't want a wire sticking out of it. Just like I don't use my iPhone wired either. Big deal if I have to plug it in once a month. I'm not using the computer 24/7
 
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One difference being that Phil Schiller said that, but Steve Jobs never did (he said, or wrote rather, “just avoid holding it that way”, if I recall). So the latter is not really quote.
Not verbatim but thats what he wrote to a customer in an email essentially. If I tell you not to pick up a knife by the sharpen it’s a slightly more polite way to say you’re holding the knife wrong and still implies that the thought is yours because you’re an idiot grabbing the knife by the blade. This was a phone. That is exactly how one holds a phone and it was a ridiculous thing to say. Then Steve and Company went on Oprah or at least I think it was Oprah, and somewhat reiterated that again.
 
How does this list not include the Touch Bar?
First thing I thought of when I saw this article. Touch Bar is the the least "Apple" thing I've seen introduced in the mass market in ages. I feel it would never have got as far as production just 10 years ago.
 
The 2013 MacPro had some very serious issues. At the time I worked at a video editing and colour correction company that owned north of 100 units of the tower style MacPros. I can't tell you that for my job, fulltime, for about 4 years were spent endlessly trying to make the Apple ecosystem work, and sitting on conference calls that were how to solve these design issues. Here are a few that come to mind:

  • The 2013 MacPro was only about 15% faster than the 2010 model, because they relied on a single 12core CPU rather than 2 6core CPUs. In the realworld the extra cores didn't add much compared to dual socket models. In some tests, the 2010 MacPro was (and still is) faster than the 2013 MacPro due to this design.
  • a warehouse full of PCI boards (GPUs, ESATA, RedRocket, 10 gig/e, SAS, Avid breakouts, Blackmagic SDI monitoring, ProTools HD) could not be used with the new design. This was tens of thousands of dollars of inventory that needed to be refreshed for no reason aside from Apple dropping PCI slots (from a CPU that still had the PCI lanes?).
  • No USB3 or Thunderbolt on the 2010 MacPro, and only Thunderbolt 2 on the 2013 MacPro meant we bought a lot of now useless adapters and breakouts.
  • No nVidia option on the 2013 MacPro meant software incompatibilities that were unresolved for the first little while. OpenCL porting was not an improvement over CUDA. CUDA based MacPros were performing better in some video tasks like noise reduction compared to the OpenCL Macs.
  • Buying PCI to Thunderbolt 2 expanders added even more cost to already expensive hardware, and Thunderbolt 2 wasn't as fast as PCI 2, so there were performance hits spending more money, which added to overall instability in session
  • D700 GPUs were notorious for spitting out bad frames during video exports from DaVinci Resolve. Had to stop using them for rendering broadcast files on a tight turnaround. D500 and D300 MacPros bought by some departments absolutely did not stand the test of time and had difficultly running multiple displays in ProTools. These were scrapped very soon.
  • In 2017 one of our departments was growing fast with the need for 4k video. Neither 2010 or 2013 MacPros were up for the task after weeks of testing. New iMac Pro hadn't been announced yet. We had to start purchasing Linux based workstations to take on 4k colour work. No one wanted a Linux migration.
  • In 2017 the 2013 MacPro hadn't seen a single update. Was woefully overpriced and obsolete. Made it a hard sell internally since we knew something was coming, but we couldn't wait any longer. We had to scale up hardware.
  • In 2018 and 2019 the Linux machines we bought were breaking too often with normal software updates and fell short of expectations, so we had to switch these boxes to Windows. We ended up with an unholy mess of Mac, Linux, and Windows boxes in the same studio that was previously Mac only. Windows was great overall but no ProRes rendering in DaVinci meant extra steps and headaches that slowed down momentum.
  • Troubleshooting shared storage became more difficult with more OSes in the mix.
  • In the end, we had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to grow the company and keep up with the industry demands, and all we wanted was a faster 2010 MacPro with upgradable GPUs every 3-4 years. Apple fell completely short. Many other studios, especially on the VFX side, just left Apple all together in 2013 since they had the scale and resources to just switch to HP Z workstations from the get go.
 
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But then you couldn't use it either while charging. Also the Magic Mouse charging situation is such a none issue in real life, unless you're dumb enough to ignore the low battery warning for days or weeks. ?‍♂️
That is just flat out wrong. I don't get a low-battery warning until it is at 1%. And it seems to drop from 30% to 1% in just a few hours. Perhaps I am holding it wrong...
 
There’s plenty documented feedback that users could not determine without looking which orientation the remote is at hence it’s not intuitive in it’s form. I don’t know your issues with the remote app as I haven’t launched that app in ages - but the quick ATV remote controls I have in control Center are straight forward.
I don't doubt that there are people who have absolutely no hand-eye coordination, but I think an average person with somatosensation can figure out how to use the aTV remote without looking at it. But do tell, how do you use the aTV app without ever looking at it?
 
Yeah I don't see it as a flaw. Like I said, I use this mouse wirelessly. I don't want a wire sticking out of it. Just like I don't use my iPhone wired either. Big deal if I have to plug it in once a month. I'm not using the computer 24/7
It was made for you & thats awesome! you should be proud they know you well.
 
That's false, you don't get 8 hours after 2 minutes. Clearly you don't use one. Ergonomics are questionable as well.

"Plug it in while you sleep" - it's a mouse not a phone.
Ironically, you can use the phone while it's charging.

I completely agree on including the Magic Mouse 2 in this list. I get maybe two weeks from a charge, and by the time I get the battery low indicator, it's at 1% (with no option to customize the warning even!) and, it needs probably half an hour of charge to get me through the rest of the day. Then I need to remember to plug it in AGAIN at the end of the day.

There is really no excuse for that. I shouldn't be hobbled by my hardware.
 
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TL;DR: Design is all about choices. Not everyone will agree on what is a good design. Buy what meets your definition of good design.
A wireless mouse which can be use while charging it, has an objectively superior experience in that feature, than one which can't.

Don't come bull**** people like herd about how a trillion dollar company can't provide that because it's too magical based off their marketing writings.
 
why on earth is Magic Mouse 2 on this list? that's a great design and of course it's intentional that you can't charge it while using it.
 
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