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FYI: the S Pen did not have a lithium ion battery inside it and could only be used for 30 minutes at a time. It's not really comparable to the Apple Pencil.
And even when the S Pen is discharged, all of its features, including Writing/Drawing and Air Command, can still be used, they did a great job with that thing.

Im glad Apple shifted away from the stupid charging design of the first Apple Pencil.
 
Need to add Touch Bar to this list.

Also the I/O ports location on the back of the iMac is lousy. I had to get a hub to add them to the front.
 
why on earth is Magic Mouse 2 on this list? that's a great design and of course it's intentional that you can't charge it while using it.
Because it's not a good design, and not being able to use it while charging is also a bad design choice whether it's intentional or not.
 
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I completely agree on including the Magic Mouse 2 in this list. I get maybe two weeks from a charge, and by the time I get the battery low indicator, it's at 1% (with no option to customize the warning even!) and, it needs probably half an hour of charge to get me through the rest of the day. Then I need to remember to plug it in AGAIN at the end of the day.

How old is it? The biggest issue I have with a lot of products, not just Apple, is once the rechargeable batteries go TU the device is useless unless you can find a replacement battery. Often the design is such that is not possible.

A wireless mouse which can be use while charging it, has an objectively superior experience in that feature, than one which can't.

For you. Others don't need or care about it so it has no tangible advantage.

Don't come bull**** people like herd about how a trillion dollar company can't provide that because it's too magical based off their marketing writings.

They could, they just choose a different design.

why on earth is Magic Mouse 2 on this list? that's a great design and of course it's intentional that you can't charge it while using it.

Exactly. A design choice; if it makes it unusable then get a different designed mouse.

Because it's not a good design, and not being able to use it while charging is also a bad design choice whether it's intentional or not.

I guess it depends n how you use it. For me, it was no big deal. The other design choices such as lack of multiple button functionality made me switch to a Logitech.
 
I guess it depends n how you use it. For me, it was no big deal. The other design choices such as lack of multiple button functionality made me switch to a Logitech.
It's a device made to be held in the hand that doesn't conform to the shape of a human hand. It doesn't matter how you use it, it's a bad design for its intended function. As something to sit on a desk and look pretty, it's better than most, but that's not why it exists.
 
No, the Menu bars etc are pushed up into the area that used to be the black bezel at the top of the display so you gain the height of the menu bar on the display as usable space.
That’s a big design flaw, the notch doesn’t need to take up that much space as it’s only a camera and work led.

It could easily been halft or even 1/3 of its size for aesthetic reasons and still fit everything the menu bar normally contained.

If it had faceID it could be close to the iPhone size instead of monster size of today
 
So, would you describe yourself as a misogynistic Apple fanboy?
apple fanboy? Nope, still on intel macos, use ios14, Sony headphones, evade apple services as much as possible office365, linux, spotify, owncloud..
Misogynistic? No.
 
The availability of more functional accessories is well known and not the topic. Plenty people buy other peripheral devices for the reasons outlined in this discussion.
It was on topic with respect to the post it responded to, which suggested the solution was simply to purchase a wired mouse, overlooking the fact that Apple's design appears to be the only similar product to have this unusual issue.
 
It's a device made to be held in the hand that doesn't conform to the shape of a human hand. It doesn't matter how you use it, it's a bad design for its intended function. As something to sit on a desk and look pretty, it's better than most, but that's not why it exists.

Not sure what you mean? Are you complaining about the way it works when charged; since clearly Apple did not intend for it to be used while charging. If you think the overall design when in use as a mouse is bad, I can agree with you; I just don't think the charging method is flawed as some contend.

That’s a big design flaw, the notch doesn’t need to take up that much space as it’s only a camera and work led.

It could easily been halft or even 1/3 of its size for aesthetic reasons and still fit everything the menu bar normally contained.

Or Apple could have simply not used the space and people would complain about the bezel size...
 
Moving the power button on the iPhone from the top to the side, opposite the volume buttons.

How many times have you taken an inadvertent screenshot of your home screen when you wanted to increase the volume? Or turned off the phone screen when changing volume while the phone is standing in landscape mode while watching a video?

Conversely, I've yet to hear a single good reason for moving it there.
 
How old is it? The biggest issue I have with a lot of products, not just Apple, is once the rechargeable batteries go TU the device is useless unless you can find a replacement battery. Often the design is such that is not possible.
Could be called a design flaw, or even intentional flaw. If I have the courage to call it that.
For you. Others don't need or care about it so it has no tangible advantage.
The MM was designed for millions of people, not you specifically. If the port was moved to a usable place it would have zero impact on you and everyone who don’t use it. But would be an objective improvement to 100% of user with the ability to do something for no cost or negative consequences.
They could, they just choose a different design.
Indeed and made a compromise with zero benefits. Just like the iPhone 4 antennas or Mac Pro wheels
It’s still objectively worse when we already have zero compromise solutions.
Exactly. A design choice; if it makes it unusable then get a different designed mouse.
It’s still a design critique, you can still criticize android for objectively bad choices as an iPhone user.
I guess it depends n how you use it. For me, it was no big deal. The other design choices such as lack of multiple button functionality made me switch to a Logitech.
It’s not “I guess it depends on how you use it”. This is a factual my true thing. It’s objectively measurable to be bad. It limits function for zero benefits, it requires a clumsy procedure for no reason. Lay it upside down or on its side for no reason when it’s underside is the sturdier and logical standard placement

Physical buttons or swiping is legitimately an opinionated reason depending on your usages needs. Chargin port.. is not.
 
I don't doubt that there are people who have absolutely no hand-eye coordination, but I think an average person with somatosensation can figure out how to use the aTV remote without looking at it. But do tell, how do you use the aTV app without ever looking at it?

Well in the same way that I use a physical remote unfortunately- I have to look at it again (not that I claimed the opposite) - the iPhone remote option for me is convenient because overall it works more reliably than the physical remote- the YouTube and YouTube kids apps on my ATV are notorious examples for stopping to respond to the physical remote for whatever reason while the software remote still works. In addition, I have access to my iPhone more often and from different locations in the living room without having to go look for the hardware remote - saves me time overall.
 
TL;DR: Design is all about choices. Not everyone will agree on what is a good design. Buy what meets your definition of good design.



That's the thing about competition - if you don't like one manufacturers design choices buy something you like. Every design involves tradeoffs, better is in the eye of the beholder.



Who knows? Less electronic waste?



That's the thing about dsign choices - good is relative. I don't miss the CD drive, especially since I can simply attach an external one when needed. But one person's good choice is another's bad one. I like the adition of an SD slot, but think Magsafe should hve been left out in favor of a 4th TB port; since Apple could make a Magsafe style USBC Cable to get the benefits of Magsafeand have 100W charging (240W with newer spec). Same with HDMI. Others, OTOH, find the useful. Neither opinion is wrong.



Having had one of the old Motorola flip phones with an extended battery pack, I agree going smaller as battery tech improved was a good idea. Bt smaller is not alays better if usability is impacted. For example, I have a tiny USB HP mouse, about the size of a bite size candy bar. It is simply two small to use effectively. Similarly with keyboards.



Exactly.



We just clearly have a difference of opinion here.



Then get an AA powered mouse. No one is forcing you to use a mouse you think is flawed.



My point was people complained about not being able to use the MM while charging and then offered soultions that do just that as well.



My experience is you can.



Eitehr way it will be charged when you are ready to use it. As for phones, I can't ise my EarPods and charge my phone at the same time, so I guess that is a flaw in the iPhone design as well?



Same experience here while I used my MM.



You assume some people sleep and not use their Mac 24x7...

This discussion is not about alternatives. We are all aware that alternatives exist. We solely discuss - on topic - which design choice we consider good or bad. Please refrain from further stating the obvious, I and plenty others have taken our money elsewhere a long time ago.
 
It was on topic with respect to the post it responded to, which suggested the solution was simply to purchase a wired mouse, overlooking the fact that Apple's design appears to be the only similar product to have this unusual issue.

My bad, you’re correct, the post you originally quoted was the one with the suggestion to buy something else, which really wasn’t on topic.
 
I completely agree with 5 out of 6 items on the list, but I don’t know why so many people have issues with the previous Apple/Siri remote. I absolutely love it and got used to it from the jump. I guess I’m in the minority but I think it works really well. The only other Apple remote I used was the white click-wheel but moving on from that one wasn’t an issue.
I didn’t have endless problems but it was small, very easy to lose (especially if you set it down on furniture and it fell into a small opening so you couldn’t see or feel it) and I (mostly) like the new remote better. I wish that they had put some form of ‘Find My” or the sound you can have your watch signal an iPhone to make so you can find it. Dark items in a dark room (low light because you are watching tv) means you can have a hard time finding the remote. Although the newest remotes are bigger, thicker and silver.
 
Removing 3.5mm audio port from iPad Pro 2018 and onwards - now how can you call something, thats obviously also oriented at real crative professionals a PRO, if it doesnt come with basic audio port that almost every audio and video pro would need?!
Seriously?
Ive already said about how little I care about possible wireless charging feature in this years iPad Pro update and how much I would care for real PRO upgrades like bringing back such basic amenities as 3.5mm and adding another USB4/TB4 port to the mix! Or at least 2x USB4/TB4 ports if thats so hard for them to backtrack on omission of 3.5mm port.
 
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The MacBook Pro notch should be right up there as well, it's absolutely hideous.
I dunno man, I'm using it right now and I really don't notice it. What I *do* notice is that they made the menu bar like 6 or 8 pixels taller and it drives me absolutely bonkers.
 
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This is my favorite MacRumors article for a long time ?. The Apple TV Remote should be number one though, in my opinion. I'm so glad I can control the Apple TV with my Samsung remote, thanks to some HDMI magic.?
 
Not sure what you mean? Are you complaining about the way it works when charged; since clearly Apple did not intend for it to be used while charging. If you think the overall design when in use as a mouse is bad, I can agree with you; I just don't think the charging method is flawed as some contend.
Yup, I mean when it's charged and right-side up, it's still a bad mouse. Don't get me wrong, the inability to use while charging isn't good either, but the fact that it's not even the only major flaw in the product is crazy.
 
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Old Apple Remote = Has gyros, can play games without needing another controller
New Apple Remote = No more gyros, need to buy another controller for games

Winner: Old Apple remote (and Asphalt 8+ on Apple Arcade)
 
Yup, I mean when it's charged and right-side up, it's still a bad mouse. Don't get me wrong, the inability to use while charging isn't good either, but the fact that it's not even the only major flaw in the product is crazy.

I agree, Apple went to far in the “form” side of design they forgot it should be usable as a mouse. They probably got an award…
 
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