Or are we still professing our hatred for everything Adobe?
Oh, even without this problem, there are still plenty of good reasons to express hatred for everythign Adobe.
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Oh, even without this problem, there are still plenty of good reasons to express hatred for everythign Adobe.
I'll take that as a no.
I do hope Apple gets on the ball with this simple plugin. Youtube is no fun without it.WoW was just an example. It seems a number of 3D games (quite possibly anything that utilizes the video card) will cause the problem. Are you going to rationalize that and any other cause as devs using deprecated libraries? It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a developer to figure this one out. Also, this is suspiciously similar to the 4850 lockups earlier this year. Airport was linked to that as well. Was that just bad devs? I'm pointing a finger squarely at Apple because there are many different ways to cause the issue. Try reading something other than the anti-Adobe circle jerk in this thread. Not saying that Adobe doesn't suck, but it isn't their fault in this particular case.
You can sit there rationalizing and trying to defend Apple all you want while whining that others are too quick to judge. I've seen way too many varying reports to put the blame anywhere else.
Problem Solved
Look at my post above, looks like it's solved with a reset / reboot. Apparently, Windows fanbois saw blood in the water. It happens so seldom that they need to swim in it for a bit, before they go back to the dark side.
Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved yet? Or are we still professing our hatred for everything Adobe?
Look at my post above, looks like it's solved with a reset / reboot. Apparently, Windows fanbois saw blood in the water. It happens so seldom that they need to swim in it for a bit, before they go back to the dark side.
That's a work around, not a resolution.
Something, something, something, Dark Side, Something, something, Complete.
32-bit Carbon is still there, and will be until Apple needs to devalue another big chunk of the userbase to generate new sales. Probably 2 or 3 years from now.
I just did this test on my MacPro (Early 2008, 16GB of ram) on both Snow Leopard (10.6.1) and Vista Ultimate Edition on a 2nd hard disk (bootcamp).
I went to Hulu, chose the same show on both, and expanded the window to about 2/3rd's the size of my 30" Cinema Display. The results are interesting.
Under SL, it did indeed put load on all 8 CPU's, about 40-45% on each of them to be exact.
Now here's the more interesting part. Under Vista Ultimate, it put load on all 8 CPU's as well, about 35-40% on each of them.
I am not convinced that the Hulu problem shows anything beyond that whoever wrote the Hulu flash app wrote a crappy app (my guess is that it's scaling the video in the app, not letting the video system do the scaling).
You have to remember that FLASH is nothing more than an environment that allows developers to write apps for. Just like anything else, people can write crappy apps in it, or people can write good apps.
Apple does tend to move on from their legacy stuff pretty quickly, but they do it so they don't have to support stuff that's old. The majority of their user base seems pretty OK with that.
Personally, I'm OK with software that's 5+ years old not working well, or at all even. Apple has always pushed the envelope here, maybe too much in some cases, but it works for them.
This is such a Windows excuse... haha
This argument is actually used as a selling point for Macs since the whole point of buying hardware / software from 1 manufacturer is to avoid this very issue
Yep. That's why they don't have much of a userbase.
Jeeez, and here I am expecting Apple to provide 5 years of security updates after last retail sale. And there you are, saying you don't give a darn if the things implodes on Year 5, Day 366.
Is this actually a widespread issue or is it just 10 or 20 people who complain loudly? The problem is likely to be fixed before I buy a new iMac, but I'm just wondering. All the sites that have provided limited reviews of the new iMac have not noticed the problem.
Flash has always been a horrible cpu hog. On my G5, running Tiger, Flash always causes my cpu and fan to max out. Online multiplayer flash games are not playable.
Obviously this is why Apple and Google are pushing the move toward HTML 5 because it makes Flash unnecessary.
Flash has always been a horrible cpu hog. On my G5, running Tiger, Flash always causes my cpu and fan to max out. Online multiplayer flash games are not playable.
Obviously this is why Apple and Google are pushing the move toward HTML 5 because it makes Flash unnecessary.
Not that it hasn't already been said a thousand times already on this thread, but I concur that Flash on OS X is complete garbage. Spinning beach balls and the ubiquitous "Script is causing Flash player to run slowly" nonsense. And running a Flash movie (even a low-res YouTube video) on my MacBook is a guaranteed way to start the fans running at full speed. Ridiculous.
Flash OS X sucks. Fix it, Adobe, or an enterprising upstart will gladly take your place.
Flash OS X sucks. Fix it, Adobe, or an enterprising upstart will gladly take your place.
I'm playing a video in Silverlight on SL and my CPU temp is at 127 ºF, usage 15 - 20%. If this were a Flash video (such as on YouTube) the CPU would go up to 100% and the temp would be about 168 - 175 ºF. My unibody MBP gets scorching hot.
It's funny, MS wouldn't dare half-ass their OS X Silverlight plugin.
Ding, that worked CQ. Copying the contents of the CD over to the desktop, and running the executable from there fixed the problem. Weird, but that worked for me too on a couple apps under Beta and RC. He's happy, since he really never uses anything beyond what PS7 offers, yet likes the interface enough that he doesn't want to switch to GIMP or PaintShop Pro.
For VMW5, he'll probably just download VirtualBox, as it's got more features than VMW did in v.5 anyway, and it works great under Win7 x64.
BTW, Skype's screen sharing utility is outstanding. I was full screening his desktop to walk him through stuff, then sharing my screen (the one with the Win7 VM) to show him other stuff. Way cool.
As if we needed another reason to ditch the crap technology that is Flash!
LOL. Amazing how it's Adobe's fault and not Apple's fault that their new computer doesn't behave properly; that their new operating system doesn't behave properly when everything was fine under Leopard, what the recent versions of Mac flash was designed to work with. Never mind how flash works fine on PCs and Windows7. Yes, it's Adobe's fault that Apple's new version of its operating system sucks. I haven't put it on my MBP yet and I'm glad I haven't since it's obviously bad news. And I cannot put it on my PowerMac I'm typing on now since Apple ditched 1/3 of its users with it as well. Yes I would say it's Apple's fault it's screwed up, not Adobe. I realize I'm in the minority given the huge number of completely unobjective and irrational fanatics the Apple market has worshiping everything it does no matter how poorly, but then I don't give a crap. I use what works best for me in a given situation, not what Steve (Jobs) or Steve (Ballmer) wants.
I mean for all the poo-poo about Flash, it's amazing that it works perfectly fine and smooth on my 2001 era PPC based PowerMac on either Tiger or Leopard. Yes, it MUST be Flash that's the slow crud-based problem, not those brand new 2009 dual and quad-core powered Macs that run 3-5x faster than this machine since it runs SO NOT poorly on a mere 1.8GHz G4.
LOL. Amazing how it's Adobe's fault and not Apple's fault that their new computer doesn't behave properly; that their new operating system doesn't behave properly when everything was fine under Leopard, what the recent versions of Mac flash was designed to work with. Never mind how flash works fine on PCs and Windows7. Yes, it's Adobe's fault that Apple's new version of its operating system sucks. I haven't put it on my MBP yet and I'm glad I haven't since it's obviously bad news. And I cannot put it on my PowerMac I'm typing on now since Apple ditched 1/3 of its users with it as well. Yes I would say it's Apple's fault it's screwed up, not Adobe. I realize I'm in the minority given the huge number of completely unobjective and irrational fanatics the Apple market has worshiping everything it does no matter how poorly, but then I don't give a crap. I use what works best for me in a given situation, not what Steve (Jobs) or Steve (Ballmer) wants.
I mean for all the poo-poo about Flash, it's amazing that it works perfectly fine and smooth on my 2001 era PPC based PowerMac on either Tiger or Leopard. Yes, it MUST be Flash that's the slow crud-based problem, not those brand new 2009 dual and quad-core powered Macs that run 3-5x faster than this machine since it runs SO NOT poorly on a mere 1.8GHz G4.
Flash does suck though, and always has on multiple platforms, however it's generally been worse on OS X, and this issue adds on top of it. So no, it's not solely Adobe's fault, but seeing as how Silverlight and other video playback methods work better, I wouldn't say the problem is solely Apple's either.
How am I rationalizing and defending Apple? I'm doing no such thing.
I haven't taken either side in this because nobody knows exactly what's causing it. My statements have only been in response to any know-it-alls on this thread who profess that it's one side or the other. My position seems the most logical until we know more. You, on the other hand, are stating authoritatively that it can't be Adobe's fault and then accusing me of rationalizing and defending Apple. In other words, you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing. Why are you so quick to assume I'm taking a side just because I'm explaining how it could very well be both Adobe and Apple that are to blame? (And if you think that's out of the realm of possibility, think about the ongoing clusterf*** that has been the last few revs of CS which saw problems because of both Apple and Adobe.)
I suggest taking a closer look at your own biases. You might be a little embarrassed to see that you're the one going on the witch hunt, not me.
Indeed. I noticed Silver-light is a well designed and relatively fast plug-in that has experienced ZERO issues on my '07 MBP. Not the same for Flash!
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I said, ``is'' explicitly declaring in transition. No post-state was declared in my statement.
10.7 will have no Carbon left, period. 32 bit will be completely gutted as well.
I agree that Apple should have better flash support, but Flash just sucks. It needs to go away ASAP.
I bought an iMac in 2001, used it for many years and now, it's sitting in my daughter's room, still going strong, well beyond any official support from Apple. I also have an iBook circa 2003, also still going strong.
In my experience, Macs rarely implode on year 5 or any time soon after.