Apple's New 27-Inch iMacs Experiencing Performance Issues?

[Tommigun]

Stop blaming Flash for this particular problem!

I am running iMac spring 2009 24" without any problems in YouTube, so it is NOT a GENERAL problem with Flash, but an isolated problem with the new 27" iMacs.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Apple doesn't, and somehow has convinced the sheeple to blame the 3rd party for Apple's mistakes.

Because Apple said this directly to the people how?

 

[MorphingDragon]

Funny how you make it sound like Apple's removal of existing APIs makes Adobe the bad guy.

And, just why is it that after promising Carbon x64, and even shipping it in a developer release, that Apple decided to pull that feature?

My Window 7 x64 system has executables from July 1996 that run just fine. In fact, most of the "won't run in Win7 x64" programs that I've run into are because they're 16-bit programs from 1992 or earlier.

Microsoft understands the importance of ensuring that userland programs run on a new OS. Apple doesn't, and somehow has convinced the sheeple to blame the 3rd party for Apple's mistakes.

You mean like how Microsoft all of a sudden scrapped Win32 for .Net and left hundreds of developers in the dust?

 

[polaris20]

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Really? Are you on 64-bit?

Yes I am.

Like I said, I've heard stories of mixed successes involving the same program from different people. I didn't even use compatibility mode. I hope your dad finds an easy solution for his program needs :] It hurts me to see technology fail like that. I don't know why, haha.

I dunno, we'll see. I'll be heading over there to try stuff out and troubleshoot. One thing he didn't try that worked for me is copying the contents of the cd to the desktop, then running it from there. That worked for me for a couple apps, oddly enough.

 

[50548]

You're missing my point. I'm not taking one side or the other, just pointing out the irony of the Windows users here accusing Mac users of always blaming everyone but Apple when they do exactly the same thing with regard to Microsoft.

Tu quoque and all that.

Well, but that's Aiden Shaw, Rob Enderle's master representative to this forum. He NEVER says anything positive about Apple or Macs.

In other words, he is very objective in his opinions; with the added negative that he doesn't even admit he is a MS fanboy.

 

[polaris20]

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This doesn't excuse the horrible flash performance on PPC and Intel Macs to begin with.

What on earth are you talking about!?

I am running Leopard on late 2007 MBP and Flash performs PERFECTLY!

Issue with new iMacs, if you have read users experiences, CLEARLY points finger at APPLE and no one else...

In fact, for the whole matter to be even more embarrassing for the Apple, some people installed Windows 7 via boot-camp on their new iMacs and have experienced NO problems with computer performance AT ALL!

So this problem is SURELY to do with graphics drivers or SL or airport or some combination of all...

Jezuz...

Did you actually read what you quoted?

This doesn't excuse the horrible flash performance on PPC and Intel Macs to begin with.

Flash performance is poor on OSX. Always has been. Yes, this problem makes it worse, but Flash is still a pig.

 

[kenlee620425]

New iMac Flash playback performance

Does anyone know if the problem also exists on the 21.5" iMac or the 24" with Quadcore?

 

[50548]

My auntie just received her nice new 27 incher, and there's a HUGE great edge-to-edge propagating crack in the glass but not evidence of being issues on the boxing/packaging!? Dodgy manufacturing and assembly. Very poor quality control for a PREMIUM product. Maybe they're spending too much effort to reduce their assembly cost base which is starting to impact Quality Management SLA's/KPI's? Or was she the small percentile of acceptable "failure" on that particular day?

Having said that, the Apple guy at the end of the phone was great, and within a few moments, a new one was ordered with TNT lined up to collect the damaged one. Big tick in the Customer Service box!

So it seems Apple know they are going to impact people with QRM issues, so they beef-up the process to mitigate. And do it well.

And HOW is your aunt's case representative of widespread quality issues when Apple ships thousands or millions of these without a problem? Care to check industry's build quality, service requests and return rates for Apple?

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

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Did you actually read what you quoted?



Flash performance is poor on OSX. Always has been. Yes, this problem makes it worse, but Flash is still a pig.

Yes I did, and I replied that I have no issues running Flash on my Leopard MBP - no issues at all since latest Flash player 10 update...

I am sure 10.1 will up the performance even further...

But point here is that bashing Flash in this thread is OFF TOPIC since issue isn't only with the Flash but with general graphics performance... In iPhoto, iTunes, Quicktime, Flash, COD game etc...etc...

Problem is with APPLE - simple fact many cant face for whatever fanboy reason

 

[farnoud]

Same here but it's Macbook Pro 13"

 

[Bubba Satori]

You mean like how Microsoft all of a sudden scrapped Win32 for .Net and left hundreds of developers in the dust?

What ? Were they incapable of continuing to develop for some reason that didn't stop millions of other developers from being successful with .Net ?

If it weren't for Adobe and Microsoft, lots of people wouldn't have anybody to blame for all their problems that actually originate closer to home. What a convenient crutch.

 

[Tudeski]

Every time new hardware is introduced, Apple or anyone else, there are bugs. It is simply impossible to test every single hardware/software/application combination for every possibility. Apple doesn't typically comment, but they do typically resolve these issues in a timely fashion.

There was a similar thread when the last iMacs were released, and the issue was resolved within a week. Just a bit of patience...

This may be true, but for a $1000 machine, something so simple that is overlooked makes you wonder doesn't it? I'm not impressed. Something like this should have been caught. Its called quality control.

 

[Bubba Satori]

I honestly don't think there is a mac out there that does not handle flash poorly in one way or the other. Flash just breaks macs.

No it doesn't. This superstitious nonsense is beginning to verge on delusional. Kind of scary, really.

 

[AidenShaw]

You mean like how Microsoft all of a sudden scrapped Win32 for .Net and left hundreds of developers in the dust?

Win32 is alive and well on both Windows x86 and Windows x64 - writing Win32 programs that compile into both 32-bit and 64-bit executables is easy.

What do you mean? (And draw the parallel with Carbon64 if you can...)

 

[F/reW/re]

Set Safari to run in 32 bit

I don’t know if anyone said this before, but try setting your Safari to run in 32 bit. 64 bit Safari will cause Flash run slow on all Mac’s running Snow Leopard, not just the new iMac!

 

[lkrupp]

I hope the problem can be fixed. That would really be a huge disappointment for someone that is getting their first Mac.

[Update] Can Adobe send their programmers to training so they can write better Mac apps?

Well, my daughter just bought a new 27" iMac and does not have this issue. Flash plays just fine with no CPU spiking. So what problem are you talking about anyway? You and others seem to imply that this is universal when it clearly is not. So that begs the question of what's different about my daughter's iMac and one who has the "issue". Has the user with the "issue" installed anything else? Why one and not the other if, as many pundits in this thread claim, it's an Adobe software issue or an Apple hardware issue?

No one seems to like addressing these contradictions. They just pontificate based on their own preconceptions or biases. Adobe haters blame Adobe. Apple haters blame Apple. How utterly useless.

 

[lkrupp]

I don’t know if anyone said this before, but try setting your Safari to run in 32 bit. 64 bit Safari will cause Flash run slow on all Mac’s running Snow Leopard, not just the new iMac!

Absolute baloney! I have a 24" iMac8,1 running Snow Leopard, Safari 64bit, and the latest version of Flash (10.0.32.18). No issues what-so-ever.

How can you even presume to make a statement like that???

 

[polaris20]

Yes I did, and I replied that I have no issues running Flash on my Leopard MBP - no issues at all since latest Flash player 10 update...

I am sure 10.1 will up the performance even further...

But point here is that bashing Flash in this thread is OFF TOPIC since issue isn't only with the Flash but with general graphics performance... In iPhoto, iTunes, Quicktime, Flash, COD game etc...etc...

Problem is with APPLE - simple fact many cant face for whatever fanboy reason

YOU have no issue. That's one person, one machine, and highly anecdotal. And bashing Flash is not OFF TOPIC since the problem is Flash compounded by whatever the driver/OS issue is. It's a simple fact many cannot face, including apparently you.

 

[dernhelm]

Win32 is alive and well on both Windows x86 and Windows x64 - writing Win32 programs that compile into both 32-bit and 64-bit executables is easy.

What do you mean? (And draw the parallel with Carbon64 if you can...)

I assumed he wasn't talking about 32 bit windows programs vs. 64 bit windows programs, he's talking about the win32 API programming API, which is being superseded by .Net. The parallel is more with Carbon vs. Cocoa, and is ridiculous. Everyone - Apple, Microsoft, Linux, has obsoleted APIs, Apple more than most (OpenDoc anyone?).

If you are a developer and don't plan on keeping your skill set updated, plan on being obsoleted every 4 years. That's the game (speaking from 24 years of professional programming experience).

 

[supmango]

Ummm... No. It's real. Glad it's gotten attention. I thought I'd be left with this being an issue for a long time, but there's a pretty good chance someone will respond with action now.

But yeah, this doesn't really look good for Apple, regardless of whose is to blame. Hearing Mac switch commercials telling the headaches of moving to windows 7, only to end up having problems with moving to new Macs.

Funny thing though, my friend's 64-bit Windows 7 box has problems with flash too. I watched as his system froze on a fullscreen video, and his only recourse was to press the power button. So yeah, flash sucks.

Like I said, I haven't seen the issue first hand. So I remain skeptical.

 

[supmango]

I have no words. Just incredible.

I know, right?

 

[ob81]

Absolute baloney! I have a 24" iMac8,1 running Snow Leopard, Safari 64bit, and the latest version of Flash (10.0.32.18). No issues what-so-ever.

How can you even presume to make a statement like that???

I am not sure if it is the 64bit or not, but on a 24" with no SL, I had no issues. A friend with SL had issues on his 24". I went and purchased a 27" and now I have issues when I do widescreen on Hulu.com. iTunes is fine, and I tried youtube with better results than I had on Hulu.

 

[a cat *miaow*]

The solution is NOT to play your .flv files in Safari or FireFox, but download everything to disk and play it locally, using VLC player. This eliminates the problem completely.

Sorry? The 'solution'? I think you meant the workaround!
The solution is for one of these two massive software companies to make flash work wherever the user wants it.

 

[senc01a]

I am positive that this is Adobe's fault not Apple.
They should release a decent 64bit compilation of the Flash plugin, hopefully this will come soon, not only for mac but also for the rest of OS's.

Take care.

 

[M87]

Flash performance on SL is just abysmal, no matter what machine you're using.

My unibody MB played flash without a hicup on Leopard... now, if I try and watch youtube it'll be about 45 seconds before the fans start to kick into high-gear. The processor percentages the flash plugin eats up are just astronomical.

I'm assuming this is an Adobe issue, but who knows -- maybe it's some weird interaction with the 64-bit Safari?

All I can say is that SL made me find, install, and fall in love with ClickToFlash!

I have no issues with watching youtube on my uMBP running Snow Leopard. My fans only start going if I'm editing HD video or something like that.