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It failed at the demo. Even if there is a valid reason they need to get 3rd party sites to verify it really does work as quickly as possible.

No it didn't. Stop spreading lies and FUD.

You make a lot of assumptions when coming to the conclusion that it 'failed'. You make the assumption that it failed twice on Craig lifting it up. What about the possibility that an engineer or phone handler on the stage caused it to fail before that? That's VERY likely.
 
Just tell her you passcode, then. Problem solved.
She already knows it, but that doesn't work in the use case she's using my phone to pay for something for example and I'm off doing something else.

There are reasons to want it, and it's just a poorer experience.
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No it didn't. Stop spreading lies and FUD.
Actually yes it did. Go back and watch the video, it's clear the first time he tried it was ok. It hit the limit for scans and requested the past code. There has been feedback to suggest that at demos it wasn't reliable as well.
 
FOR THE LAST TIME: The iPhone X has an IR camera. IR cameras can see through sunglasses. This is why remote controls work, even though the plastic housing for the IR blaster looks like it's opaque black. Am I the only one who had a Sony Handicam with nightvision as a kid? I noticed many things become more transparent when using an IR camera—sunglasses being one of them. It was pretty cool.

True. But can the iPhone use the IR data points to tell whether eyes are open are closed? I assumed it was using the optical image. It would be pretty impressive if the IR facial mapping was accurate enough to determine that your eyes are shut.
 
Can't wait for the release day, we're going to have so much fun with people's reactions :D *creepy smile*
 
So the IR radiation you get from your iPhone X will be insignificant and of no concern from an eye health perspective?
Absolutely. Intense infrared radiation sources are everywhere, basically every thermal light source (light bulbs, fire, the sun) emits orders of magnitude more IR radiation than the iPhone X.

Heck, all the IR radiation from the stars at night is more than what the phone will put out.
That is incorrect however. The IR radiation from the stars is extremely dim.

So what if you shave off your beard, or it it going to keep many many versions of you ?
iOS uses a neural network to recognize your face. Every time it recognizes your face, it learns how to recognize your face better. If you grow a beard, it simply learns that you sometimes wear a beard and that your eye/nose-portion of your face is a more significant indicator of your identity. It's doesn't work like more traditional approaches to image recognition, meaning a pixel-to-pixel comparison to reference images. I can't say for sure, but principally neural networks don't even need to store an explicit model of your face to recognize it.
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Screen big, button small, the way I have my phone in my pocket I won't be able to unlock it until I have it out in my hands looking at it, so might as well swipe then.
You can physically feel the home button and it's always in the same place, so you kind of remember where it is. It's called muscle memory, you do it two times and you never think about it ever again.
 
Sunglasses could be a big deal.

How about just regular prescription glasses, with or without them on?

Sunglasses might not block IR, but that doesn't mean they won't refract it or still make the FACE ID work.

Then there is the fact that you can no longer safely use an iPhone in a car means this is just impractical. I mean what is the MAPS program for now? Turn by turn instructions. Oops, can't unlock the phone.
If it's the future of all iPhones, the iPhone 8 will be the last iPhone I ever buy.
 
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Then they can buy the iphone 8 or whatever until it’s perfect.
It’s not about perfecting it really, it’s just not the same category of identification and it’s not a replacement without downsides. I think it would be a better replacement if the iPhone X UI was better, for starters slide to unlock (from right to left) would be easier.
 
It’s interesting to see the disparity in opinion and demeanor between those who watched Touch ID fail on the first phone and also linked to the journalists who said it failed multiple times with units in the hands-on demo area, and the zealots who claim it didn’t fail, ‘because reasons.’

You’re allowed to say something didn’t work as planned and still buy it when October rolls around. Or at least I still intend to purchase it.

I don’t really understand the point of trying to AstroTurf something that went wrong by saying it was something that worked as expected. Apple, themselves, know things can go wrong when demoing tech—it’s why they have a backup device on stage.
 
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Not me.. touch id has been a pain for me.. my hands are sweaty and the home button gets dirty real quik and as a result it wont recognize my finger print.. more ofthen than not i have to resort to polishing the button before it works. Or just use password .

Also if my hand are wetter than a certain amount the touch id does not work.

So all in all i am for face id.. bigtime.
That’s understandable, I wasn’t implying not to have Face ID but having both would be ideal, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. Face ID would be a lot better if the iPhone X UI was better. Touch ID, if it works for you, unlocks instantly when you turn the phone on when pressing the home button, and gets you straight to your home screen
 
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... but a 1 in 1,000,000 chance someone else's face will fool Face ID.

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Touch ID is far from perfect and after 4 years still fails at times.



Most people will prefer the convenience of Face ID



The more I read about it I can only think of the advantages of Face ID compared to Touch ID. It’s a significant step forwards for convenience.

And let’s face it, this is a step up in security as well.
When I was talking about preferring Touch ID, I had convenience in mind. It is more convenient unless you try to use it when having dirty, sweaty, or just wet hands. The button you press to turn it on also instantly unlocked the phone and lands you on your home screen. With Face ID, not only is it slower but you have to make sure tap to wake if it isn’t already, make sure it’s unlocks with your face, then reach down to swipe up to get to the home screen.
 
True. But can the iPhone use the IR data points to tell whether eyes are open are closed? I assumed it was using the optical image. It would be pretty impressive if the IR facial mapping was accurate enough to determine that your eyes are shut.
Yes, the IR image will be just as clear about whether your eyes are open as a visible light image. Have you ever seen the image from an IR-capable security camera? It's much like a monochrome visible light image. The range of IR that Apple is using isn't what thermal imaging cameras use - it's light just a touch beyond red so that we can't see it, but it's otherwise like shining a dark red light on something as opposed to heating it up.

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Ah, too bad about only 1 face profile, I was hoping it would work like TouchID in that regard.

Why in the world would you need multiple faces? You have multiple fingerprints because you may open your phone with a different finger. But they are all yours. Do you have multiple faces?
 
It failed at the demo. Even if there is a valid reason they need to get 3rd party sites to verify it really does work as quickly as possible.

Maybe this is why they are pushing release of the iPhone X... not because they needed more time to figure out how to get TouchID in, and failed... but how to improve FaceID performance. If Apple openly confessed that, I may go ahead and wait for the X.
 
Why mention looking into the camera, you'll do that with touch ID as well, why would you unlock your phone and not look at it, and it's easier to swipe on a big surface then push a small button.

No I dont. For example: Sometimes I do that standing (at a concert or other crowded places) to peek for messages, missed calls or notifications. Pretty sure that from a lower hip-to-face angle it wont work as a Face ID scan.
 
At the moment when using :apple:Pay, specifically Uber, after booking takes you to the screen to pay, you see a summary transaction statement & then asks you to place finger to authorise - I don't have a clue how FaceID gets round this, if it says tap to agree, it's one more step, think I'll be skipping this version.
 
You can physically feel the home button and it's always in the same place, so you kind of remember where it is. It's called muscle memory, you do it two times and you never think about it ever again.

I'm only able to push the button once the device is facing my face, not sooner, cause of the way it's in my pocket.
 
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