Apple's New Siri Will Be Powered By Google Gemini

[rjw1678]

I've had Apple devices since the first Intel Mac and use Siri whenever I need to to set timers, etc. I use AI all the time as a tool like I'd use any other tool. People's anti-AI stances are frankly bizarre. It's a tool. I get people having issues with how training data was/is acquired, etc. but that "AI" in and of itself is "bad" seems ridiculous to me.

I never said AI was bad. At almost 70 years old I prefer to use my own brain, also I prefer to do my own research and come to my own conclusions. When I went to school we were taught to use our brains, we did not have most of the modern electronics that are available today and a computer filled a huge room with special cooling & electrical. I have no problems with other people using AI, to me it is a personal choice what you prefer to use.

 

[Rand0mUserNam3]

You clearly have not used the latest Gemini release. Your perception shouldn't be used to make comments about things that really aren't related at all.

I test and play around with the latest AI offerings for local and server side, including Gemini, so I have an up to date perspective for my own purposes 🤷‍♂️

 

[johnsawyercjs]

Also when Apple talks about ‘Apple servers’ they really mean enclaves on Google cloud and AWS.

Sure, that's been the situation for years, and will continue for a while, but Apple just started shipping the servers they're making in Houston to the data centers they're also building. These centers will be relatively small by comparison for some years, and not in nearly as many locations, and so Apple will continue to rely on Google Cloud and AWS for most of their data center needs, which makes sense since providing massive cloud services has been a core part of Google and Amazon's business for years, but not Apple's.

Apple's plan seems to be to gradually and partly shift some of their server needs to their own data centers once they're fully online, but we'll see how much of that they actually realize. Reporting is that Apple will use its upcoming data centers, at first, mostly to run the Gemini-type LLM that Google will be creating for them, keeping the user data that this entails away from Google.

 

[bugFinder]

Is it even Siri?

Maybe you can ask it to impersonate Siri, i.e. playing dumb

 

[docschulz]

So what are the benefits for you in terms of Apple‘s market cap?

 

[docschulz]

So what are the benefits for you in terms of Apple‘s market cap?

You mean like the fact that they're currently 3rd in market cap behind Nvidia and Microsoft? Yes I expect the board will demand he step down real soon.

So what are the benefits for you in terms of Apple‘s market cap?

Would you rather have a company that innovates or are you just happy about Apple‘s market cap?

Tim Cook’s Apple is just all about the money while lacking in the innovation department. Other companies focus on innovation, not just money. Market cap doesn‘t reflect innovation.

From think different to "f*** innovation, think money".

 

[theinstructor]

I wouldn’t trust Siri/Apple intelligence to set a kitchen timer. I learned that lesson time after time of trying to trust it to work, it’s a complete systemic failure. I turned OFF Apple Intelligence. You should too, send a message they will understand, trust me you aren’t losing a single thing by doing so.

 

[theinstructor]

Another 'innovation' brought to you by Cook. Isn't his sell by date long past by now?

Siri’s new name will be ‘Cook’ie

 

[ricketysquire]

In all seriousness, I'm happy with a dumb Siri. It's nice to ask Siri to turn on/off my HomeKit lights or give me directions to a restaurant. That's more than enough for me. I don't need Siri to give me dating advice.

 

[cardfan]

In all seriousness, I'm happy with a dumb Siri. It's nice to ask Siri to turn on/off my HomeKit lights or give me directions to a restaurant. That's more than enough for me. I don't need Siri to give me dating advice.

It’s easy to be happy with what you’re used to. Because you haven’t seen any alternative. How I use my phone is dictated by what it can do. I don’t use Siri much as a result.

I will say the ChatGPT thing in the last year with Siri being handed off? I’ve not even used it or thought about it.

Anything extensive and I would just use the ChatGPT app itself. Mostly it’s for trivial things. I wouldn’t use Siri or voice. And example? I created a vocabulary matching test for my 6th grader last night using his 20 words. It’s quick. Easy. PDF. Practice for him. I use it to create math problems to practice or other homework given they don’t have textbooks.

But a more advanced Siri llm on iPhone that scrapes my data on phone and changes over time based on my input to it and is private I could imagine being useful later. It could even change how I use my phone. For others it can be chatbot. Customized. No need to call it Siri. Can even customize its own voice.

And having that same cloud llm Siri over multiple devices such as Mac. Tv. iPad. Vision Pro and is updated to know you across devices could be cool.

 

[yngrshr]

This is positive, IMO. I utilize AI quite a bit for my work and for my own research. I ended my ChatGPT sub and rely on Gemini Pro and Claude. ChatGPT is great for certain things but I think it lags behind quite a bit on research and analysis.

 

[Zacharybinx34]

Will it work on my iPhone 13 Mini?

 

[ATLAS-2]

How can you say it's a "win" for Apple and then say in the same breath "it's clear that Apple isn't capable of doing this themselves" lollllllllllllll

Reading comprehension would help you understand that I mean it's win for us, Apple users, not Apple themselves. It's a win for us, because the alternative is a half-baked Apple LLM that gets panned as much as Siri does now.

lollllllllll

 

[jimscard]

Interesting twist. Initially Apple seemed to have been going in the OpenAI direction. Seems like the existing multi-billion dollar relationship they have with Google prevailed over starting something new with another company? Obviously Google had to demonstrate that their AI is as competent as whatever OpenAI was bringing to the table.

Google has also been a strong supporter of the open source AI community, releasing multiple models in the Gemma series, for example, while OpenAI has not, only recently releasing their first models (plus they’re constrained by their partnership with Microsoft).
Apple and Google have other business dealings as well. For example GCP is one of the cloud services they’ve used for internal infrastructure.

Not to mention OpenAI isn’t always trustable.

 

[jimscard]

This feels like something that is moving so fast that people at Apple are making decisions without fully thinking things through. Gives me an uneasy feeling to see them partnering with Google for an AI solution.

They’re not exactly partnering with them on a solution. They’re buying a model. Apple has been doing business with Google forever - in many different ways. I’m surprised Google went for it, actually.

 

[jimscard]

Damn bending the knee to google after the whole google maps fiasco back then.
Timmy you think Steve Jobs is happy about this?

Bending the knee? Hardly. Google is a long standing Apple vendor, just like Samsung is. Bending the knee would be using Gemini - which isn’t happening. Instead, Apple (and us) gets the benefit of zillions of users’ requests that they made to Google Assistant and Gemini in the training data so that Siri will be better able to decipher what users are actually asking for.

 

[SebCohen]

Shame on you Apple! Now Google has the better phone with the Pixel, the nicer UI compared to Liquid Glass and Google also destroyed you in terms of AI.

Apple - is there anything left of you?

You’ve got some valid points at least…but not sure about your conclusion.

 

[SebCohen]

Guess just another failed decision after adopting Google Map as the default Map app in the early era of iOS.

Ouch….but valid

 

[cardfan]

Bending the knee? Hardly. Google is a long standing Apple vendor, just like Samsung is. Bending the knee would be using Gemini - which isn’t happening. Instead, Apple (and us) gets the benefit of zillions of users’ requests that they made to Google Assistant and Gemini in the training data so that Siri will be better able to decipher what users are actually asking for.

I’m not sure how this helps me. iPhone users, Mac users aren’t training Gemini.

It’s one thing to license Google Maps. Or Google search.

But an ai that scrapes your iphones data and apps to be useful to you. This isn’t something Gemini is being trained on. This is something Apple has to get it to do while keeping those requests and data private from Google or training Gemini. I’m a little skeptical about it as it feels like a limited bandaid as Apple struggles to get their own version right sometime in the future And you keep calling this Siri. Is this still Siri?

And given apples history with Apple Intelligence and downright misleading or lies about it, you should be skeptical about this til we see it in action. As it is glasses and all that stuff that will rely on Siri a version of Siri or a hybrid Siri/gemini is in question.

 

[Frost7]

All these different models to choose from, Apple has the kind of money they could just buy most of them outright if they really wanted to thus you'd imagine budget isn't a worry, and Apple chooses one of the worst ones.

Wild.

 

[CPTmom2wp]

I've been with Apple since the 1980's as a contained ecosystem with the best privacy features. This will be the straw that broke the camel's back. Have assiduously avoided anything and everything Google. If Apple puts anything from Google on my phone, iPad, laptop, or 3 desktops, they will all be trash canned. Done with Siri, done with Apple.

 

[roguegeek]

I've been with Apple since the 1980's as a contained ecosystem with the best privacy features. This will be the straw that broke the camel's back. Have assiduously avoided anything and everything Google. If Apple puts anything from Google on my phone, iPad, laptop, or 3 desktops, they will all be trash canned. Done with Siri, done with Apple.

- Early 2000s: Google Search becomes the predominant search engine on Apple products, including early iPhones integrated with Google services like Gmail, Google Maps, and YouTube.
- 2002: Initial renegotiations start for default search engine agreements between Apple and Google.
- Mid-2000s: Google becomes the default search engine for Safari browsers on Mac and iPhone.
- 2007: iPhone launches with pre-installed Google Maps and YouTube apps; Google CEO Eric Schmidt joins Apple’s board.
- 2008: Google launches Android, directly competing with iOS.
- 2009: Apple and Google agree on revenue-sharing and keep Google as default search with no exclusivity obligation.
- Early 2010s: Collaboration on developer tools and APIs for cross-platform app development.
- 2011: Siri launches, initially routing search to Bing instead of Google.
- 2012: Apple replaces Google Maps with Apple Maps.
- 2017: Siri and Spotlight search services switch back to Google for search results.
- Late 2010s to Present: Collaboration on web standards, security protocols, and browser engine compatibility.
- 2020: Joint development and launch of the Exposure Notifications system for COVID-19 contact tracing, emphasizing privacy and opt-in design.
- Early 2020s: Legal and regulatory disclosures reveal detailed financial terms of default search agreements; Google continues large payments to Apple for default status (around $20 billion in 2022).
- Early 2020s: Integration of many Google apps (Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps, Drive, Photos, Docs, Calendar) widely available on iOS via the App Store.
- Early to mid-2020s: Ongoing competition and patent litigation alongside collaboration and cross-ecosystem app support.
- 2024-2025: Reports of Apple negotiating to leverage Google’s Gemini AI models to power Siri and other Apple Intelligence services emerge.
- Ongoing: Cooperation in cloud infrastructure use, privacy-preserving technologies, and participation in industry standards and regulatory discussions.
- Continuous: Indirect integrations where Apple ecosystem supports Google technologies via third-party apps or underlying services without direct collaboration.

Oh but this is the last straw now? Or are we maybe being a little dramatic? Also, if you truly cared about privacy, you wouldn't be on any "ecosystem".

 

[artifex]

I've been with Apple since the 1980's as a contained ecosystem with the best privacy features. This will be the straw that broke the camel's back. Have assiduously avoided anything and everything Google. If Apple puts anything from Google on my phone, iPad, laptop, or 3 desktops, they will all be trash canned. Done with Siri, done with Apple.

Did you miss the part where it's supposed to be a private model Apple's going to run on its servers, and Google won't have access to the data?

 

[Muzical]

If I wanted Gemini, I would own a MUCH CHEAPER PHONE. I have had to have Siri on to use CarPlay, but if I have to turn off Siri to avoid Google siphoning my data, so be it. Apple cutting deals with google makes a dumb phone seem more attractive... I DO NOT WANT ANY AI!!!!!! ANY! LET ALONE GOOGLE!!!