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So, you'd rather rush a design and retain hundreds of users, rather than "getting it right" and add millions of new ones, right?

Sounds like a plan...
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5 Years is actually not long at all for a manufacturer to "change course" (again).
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You'd be amazed...
Rush it? Really?
 
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I still use my cheese grater 2011. Rick solid and tackle all motion graphics heavy lifting.
It’s just one sec slower on MR Photoshop test comparing to the latest MP.
Sure the IO tech is old now but I love the machine.
Apple just failed over thinking and under delivering the MP.
What I’m really interested is the upcoming monitors. I hope they will be rock solid so I can finally retire my ACDs that still rock by the way.
 
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Mac Pro will eventually be replaced by Mac Mini + eGPU.

Since Apple loves to design products that need lots of things hanging off them to do anything, I would have to agree that a Mac Mini with lots of things hanging off it, along with a giant bread-box eGPU is just what they will do.

God forbid they design a box that houses everything INSIDE and uses a power cord only with some sort of cool wireless 4K display tech.
 
According to Quinn Nelson from Snazzy Labs the new Mac mini is also out of the gate in a "thermal corner":

What this video clearly shows is that the design of the Mac mini is absolutely solid; but someone needs to yell at the Contract Manufacturer!

Thanks for showing that the Mac mini (offtopic) is actually a very successful thermal design. But it does seem that Apple needs to get on Foxconn's back and show them how to apply thermal paste properly...
 
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I kind of wish they design their Mac Pro with Rack in mind, so it could be used for Servers. There are huge ( comparatively speaking ) demand for Mac Servers for all sort of VM and testing. Mac Pro should be a much better fit than Mac mini.

I also wish Apple no longer have upgrade pricing that put off the pros. Make the Pro Machine Expensive and Config that comes with the highest possible spec. Starts from 32GB Memory, ( The Non Pro Mac really needs to up their baseline to 16GB ) 512GB SSD, 16 Core CPU and Decent GPU. ( Please Let it be a 7nm GPU )
 
I prefer iPad's to Mac's, but I am still seeing this as a super niche device for most. Does the iMac Pro not handle tasks as efficiently as a new Mac Pro would?
 
Rush it? Really?
Yes. A year after going back to the drawing board is "rushing it" for a new product design. It's actually probably pretty close to done now, and has started the long process of going through Agency Approvals in a bunch of different countries.
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So you’re a pro, and feel like Apple don’t give a **** about you.

I’m a consumer and Apple doesn’t give a **** about me.

Exactly who is their target market these days?
That's like "So when did you stop beating your wife?" It's a question specifically and disingenuously designed to have no "good answer".
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The way Apple has... is handling this Mac Pro situation is by far the biggest disgrace in post-Sculley Apple history. Massive, dark shame on all upper management responsible for this.
I know, I know. Apple would have been oh so much more successful with you at the helm!
 
So, you'd rather rush a design and retain hundreds of users, rather than "getting it right" and add millions of new ones, right?

And yet, PC manufacturers come out with new models every year. What is it that you think Apple needs 5 years to "get right"?

In case you weren't noticing, most people here would be happy with something that isn't designed more for an art museum than someones desk. It's not rocket science to design together the latest technology into something that "just works".

And you really think that after waiting (more than 5 years) that Apple's newest Mac Pro (with prices starting at $3000) will attract MILLIONS of new buyers? HAHAHAHA!!!!
 
Yep. Same for the MacBook Pro. There is nobody editing photos and movies or creating websites and apps cordless. The weight and height of my 2012 non-retina MBP is perfect. Yes it’s twice as thick as the current ones and yes it is heavier but that doesn’t matter. It itsn’t too thick or heavy. The only reason I need a laptop is to quickly give a demo in another room or do some small things while abroad. 95% of the time my MBP is just attached to a screen on my desk. For pro work abroad you’ll need a huge battery. If I really would use my work’s 2017 MacBook Pro while abroad the battery is dead within 90 minutes.
Offtopic much?
 
All this Apple talk about 'Modular' worries me a lot. What modularity does Apple need to invent that the PC industry doesn't already offer in the workstation market. Modularity is there in components. You know, the ability to very easily adding a few sticks of extra Ram, extra storage in the way of large capacity 7200RPM drives, 2 or high end nVidia GPUs.
I fear Apple's interpretation of this 'modularity' will serve Apple first and the customers a very distant second.
I have absolutely no idea at what point Apple became clueless and tried reinventing the Mac Pro wheel. If it’s not broken, don’t fix it. I wouldn’t mind a slight, modernized revision to the cheese grater design to bring it more current, all while leaving the inside mostly the same. That’s all they should have done. And this BS they have going on with NVIDIA is also annoying. I fear Apple’s heads may be lodged so far up their arses that there’s no hope of them being able to remove them at this point. I’m afraid of what “modular” means to them. The cheese grater was plenty modular. My fear is their use of “modular” in some chic “new Apple” sense in which they try to reinvent the wheel again. The trash can was a travesty. Apple has all the talent they need to be big in the pro market, but they’re so blindly pre-occupied with the mobile market that it’s all they seem to care about now. They could give Google a run for their money if they offered an alternative to Chromebooks for education ... but it seems apparent all they care about is money and less about changing the world the way Jobs always envisioned it. Apple makes a lot of money, but Apple’s potential for various markets is being wasted and unused.
 
I cannot wait for the new modular Mac Pro. It's the #1 product that I've been wanting for the last two years, more than any other electronic or non-electronic device. The next Apple event can't come soon enough!

Stop it!

No forum cred for you with talk like that. You need to whine-n-moan dissing Apple with backhanded juvenile burns. Watching old reruns of That '70s Show will help get you up to speed.

Seriously...owning two MacPros (a 2006 and a 2009), I'm looking forward to seeing what Apple releases next year. Have a feeling I'll be purchasing one if it looks good.
 
And yet, PC manufacturers come out with new models every year. What is it that you think Apple needs 5 years to "get right"?

In case you weren't noticing, most people here would be happy with something that isn't designed more for an art museum than someones desk. It's not rocket science to design together the latest technology into something that "just works".

And you really think that after waiting (more than 5 years) that Apple's newest Mac Pro (with prices starting at $3000) will attract MILLIONS of new buyers? HAHAHAHA!!!!
That's where you're mistaken: "PC" manufacturers haven't come out with a truly new model since the early 1990s!!! They just keep putting the same old Intel reference designs into new metal/plastic and call it "New".

Yeah, that's "engineering", all right...
 
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The old Mac Pro was as close to perfection as you’re going to get in a PC chassis. All pro desktop Mac’s from the first Bondi Blue G3 through the Mac Pro had crucial QOL improvements to the innards, including exterior handles. You could fold down the door and get at crucial components. Swapping out a drive was relatively simple, because they slid in and out. Apple did some idiotic things to make it more difficult to pop in your own third party components at times, but the serviceability and utility of these were fantastic.

Then came along the insecurity of not being innovative. iOS7, this Mac Pro, etc. iOS 7 was undeniably not ready for prime time and less usable. It has a nicer veneer, but it took many iterations of iOS to fix it. I hope the Mac Pro does not suffer the same fate. The Mac Pro is a cramped, unexpandable design that is surely one of the largest blunders in the Pro space they have ever made. It was an interesting concept design, but lacked nearly all the features a Pro would want.
 
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Sneak Peak...

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(After Ives gets his hands on it... I know - too many buttons... whoops. And not 1, but 2 optical drives? What was I thinking.)

I'm waiting with great curiosity to see what Apple comes up with for the re-think on this product. It's good they've admitted the failings of the current model... though from what I've seen coming out of Apple, I don't expect this to actually be a straight forward "result!".
I give you a thumbs-up for the clever graphic. Other than that, not so much.
 
That's where you're mistaken: "PC" manufacturers haven't come out with a truly new model since the early 1990s!!! They just keep putting the same old Intel reference designs into new metal/plastic and call it "New".

Yeah, that's "engineering", all right...

Individual components have gone through innovation, but the basic motherboard, power, and PCI slot interface has remained. Some case manufacturers have created fantastic and usable cases like Apple had. I have one. The M2 interface for SSD storage is another innovation. I do get your overall point, though. Not trying to trash it. The innovation isn’t anywhere near the pace it used to be.
 
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Kids who like different coloured phones and spend their entire lives on social media!?

We've been saying for years that Apple just needed to use the old Classic Mac Pro design and upgrade the internals...but there's a snowball's chance in hell that they're going to do that. They'll bugger up the design once again, of that I have no doubt.
There's that ol' MacRumors optimism I've grown to know and love!
 
That's where you're mistaken: "PC" manufacturers haven't come out with a truly new model since the early 1990s!!! They just keep putting the same old Intel reference designs into new metal/plastic and call it "New".

Yeah, that's "engineering", all right...

Please explain what you NEED that PC manufacturers aren't giving you? What is a new PC missing? MILLIONS and MILLIONS are getting Pro work done every day using PC's. High end PC's too, with latest tech.

So you're more about something that took 5 years to engineer than something that you can buy now, does what you need, is the latest and greatest technology, can be upgraded whenever you need more capacity or power, and in general looks pretty good?

I'm truly confused what you're wanting or missing...
 
I’m 50/50 that the new Mac Pro will include a correspondingly designed eGPU instead of being a traditional tower.
 
Individual components have gone through innovation, but the basic motherboard, power, and PCI slot interface has remained. Some case manufacturers have created fantastic and usable cases like Apple had. I have one. The M2 interface for SSD storage is another innovation. I do get your overall point, though. Not trying to trash it. The innovation isn’t anywhere near the pace it used to be.
Actually, the "innovation" is exactly the same pace as it ever was for those guys!
 
Why bother now? As a hardcore Pro user, I find I can to everything I need between my MacBook Pro (with ext monitor) and new iMac.
 
Individual components have gone through innovation, but the basic motherboard, power, and PCI slot interface has remained. Some case manufacturers have created fantastic and usable cases like Apple had. I have one. The M2 interface for SSD storage is another innovation. I do get your overall point, though. Not trying to trash it. The innovation isn’t anywhere near the pace it used to be.

It's not even about innovation at this point. People just want something that isn't 5 years old tech. Current tech in an expandable box that runs macOS. No innovation needed. Really.
 
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