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Apple's Newest Mac Pro Turns Five Years Old Today
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The T2 implementation on the iMac Pro and MacBooks is leaving me doubtful that the new Mac Pro will be upgradable other than maybe the GPU/RAM. I almost don't want to see the new Mac Pro because I can predict how it will turn out by comparing design choices of Apples previous products. Let's see how the 2019 iMac will look internally, if it also has soldered storage than it's a giveaway apple is going this route. Look at the 2018 Mac mini, soldered storage wasn't necessary, they did it for T2 purposes. So expect the Mac Pro to either have soldered storage, or like the iMac Pro dummy nand cards with no controller on board.
And if Apple was doing that, they could have had it "out" in 6 months (plus another 6 months for worldwide Agency approvals).
Biggest slap in the face, and what really shows how arrogant Apple is, the price has not changed in 5 years.
Who even bought this thing in the last year, especially since the iMac Pro was released?
Who even bought this thing in the last year, especially since the iMac Pro was released?
So, you'd rather rush a design and retain hundreds of users, rather than "getting it right" and add millions of new ones, right?
Sounds like a plan...
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5 Years is actually not long at all for a manufacturer to "change course" (again).
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You'd be amazed...
It's not just the Mac Pro that has been neglected. All of Apple's desktops have the same problem.
The iMac is overdue for an update.
The Mac Mini was not updated for years, and this year only a minor speed bump was announced.
Very disappointing.
The iMac is overdue for an update.
The Mac Mini was not updated for years, and this year only a minor speed bump was announced.
Very disappointing.
Just stopped by to check out some epic complaining I expected in this thread, and boy was i not disappointed. Great morning coffee chuckles .
The "upgrade" aspect of the cheese grater Mac Pro has been heavily romanticized. The truth is that you can do virtually all of those same upgrades on an iMac these days, with the sole difference being external vs. internal.
Upgrades I did on my 2009 Mac Pro: HDD (internal), SSD (internal), RAM (internal), GPU (internal), addition of USB 3 ports (internal)
Upgrades I've done on my 2017 iMac: HDD (external), SSD (external), RAM (internal), Blu-ray drive (external)
Could I upgrade the GPU in the future? Sure. It would just be external.
Upgrades I did on my 2009 Mac Pro: HDD (internal), SSD (internal), RAM (internal), GPU (internal), addition of USB 3 ports (internal)
Upgrades I've done on my 2017 iMac: HDD (external), SSD (external), RAM (internal), Blu-ray drive (external)
Could I upgrade the GPU in the future? Sure. It would just be external.
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I did end up buying one (under duress after my studio flooded) but I agree. I like the design I just can't believe there have been ZERO updates. Sadly, there now seem to be kind of low-power, high-performance (with lots of PCIe lanes) parts available. With a current Ryzen or upcoming Xeon, mated with dual Vega GPUs (even down clocked a bit), and TB3 the design would make sense.
Personally I see the Pro as the biggest indicator of why Apple needs to get out from under Intel and bring ARM (or AMD) to their Macintosh lineup. Even in the PowerPC/G5 days Apple's designs weren't as constrained by other people's silicon as they are now.
With all due respect, the new Mac Pro is only "late" because they had to give the market enough time to "vote with their feet".
And it doesn't get "pushed back". That phrase is for when a product is announced for a certain date, and then that date comes and goes. Apple simply hasn't said anything about a release date, other than "It won't be this year".
So, show me where that has been "pushed back". I'll wait...
A user-tinkerable, value-based piece of hardware is exactly the opposite of Apple’s business model. Every one of apple’s products have increased in price by at least 15%, and in some cases 25% over the last 3 years. How are they going to square that consumer business model with a new Pro machine offering?
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People who work with FCP, Pixelmator, those who prefer macOS over iOS ,etc.Who needs a Mac?
The next iPhone XI Pro will have a size of iPad Mini.
And iPads already replaced Macs.
This is precisely the devastation that occurs when you divert talented individuals and resources away from Hardware Design and assign them to the Memoji Unit.
Just imagine if Apple was still selling the iPhone 5 today. They'd be worth 75% less in market cap and the entire world would have moved on. Really a shame.
Exactly. Given the time it takes Apple to upgrade Macs you would think that there are 2,000 engineers working on IOS products and a team of five who work on one Mac project at a time. I wish Apple had a computer guy at the helm rather than the current phone guy.
Both the mini and Mac Pro should have received yearly updates in order to keep them fresh and desirable.
Shame on you Apple
Have you seen the iPhone 7($450), the iPad 6($330). Apple products have gone in both directions. Cheaper too with $280 Apple Watches & $160 AirPods .More expensive too with XS Max & iPad Pro.
I've mentioned this previously on this forum, but can only tell you that at the University of Texas, students are overwhelmingly using laptops - increasingly high quality PC laptops from Lenovo, Dell, and HP which sport plenty of ports and headphone/speaker jacks. In this 50000 student campus, the only tablets which I see (rarely) are Microsoft Surface convertible devices. This is also the case for faculty and staff. iPads are, as you mention, fine for consumption - email and browsing - but lack robust keyboards and mouse/trackpad interfaces for production, and are skimpy on ports. Apple's presence among university people consists largely of iPhones. iMacs still have significant desktop use, particularly in libraries, where economy of form factor and high quality displays are valued. I'd say one sees roughly 40% iMacs, 60% PC desktops in public library and study areas.
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Majority of professionals not reliant on OS X have already dumped the Mac for good reason; too little too late, incompetent designs, limited regressive usability, zero upgrade path, throttling, throttling, throttling.
Pro with Apple serves one purpose to fool the masses. Tim & Co want to be respected, they need to deliver tools that work, not toys that impress the uninformed...
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In fact, that was the main idea behind the cylindrical Mac Pro. That's why it had so many TB 2 ports!
Too bad that a combination of Intel (with their high license and draconian control over Thunderbolt) and the lack-of-vision of other OEMs in not adopting the protocol, killed that promise...
I do believe that Apple should have kickstarted the TB adoption by designing/co-developing some cool TB 2 peripherals. That would have probably made the rest of the industry start to "get it".
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I agree with both parts of your post, especially the second-half.
I don't like the current MBP trackpad size either, because I think that Apple crossed some kind of ideal trackpad size vs. body size ratio. That is why I said it should be done carefully.
Mac Pro functionality is something I wish Apple would just license MacOS for use on PC hardware - at least if they have issues in producing their own Mac Pro hardware with the characteristics you mention. I'd like to see MacOS licensed for use on hardware like this (System76 specializes in high end Linux computers):
https://system76.com/desktops
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... especially at its original price level.