Apple's Nokia Deal Could Cost Android Manufacturers Too

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple's patent licensing deal with Nokia may have some additional consequences beyond the immediate effects of the settlement. By agreeing to a long-term licensing agreement with Nokia, Apple gets a lengthly, defensive legal fight out of the way. This allows Apple to focus all its legal energies on major battles with Samsung, HTC and Motorola.

    Speaking with the NYTimes, Apple indicates that the settlement is actually a cross-licensing one:
    There a larger, much more strategic victory here as well. By agreeing to pay royalties for Nokia's patents, Apple has set a market price -- and given Nokia's patents serious legitimacy. Apple wouldn't pay anything if they didn't have to, and other companies may not want to fight over turf Apple has already acquiesced to Nokia.


    Other companies, notably Android handset manufacturers, may now have to play ball with Nokia on these patents -- and they don't necessarily have the margins to send 1% of gross revenues to Nokia as easily as Apple can. In fact, because Apple has so many of its own patents (some of which it cross-licensed to Nokia) other manufacturers may have to pay even more for the same licenses.

    Florian Mueller has suggested just that at FOSS Patents:
    Apple pays off Nokia, but exposes the competition as well. Competition that doesn't have as much money or intellectual property to barter with.

    (Photo by Acaben/Flickr)

    Article Link: Apple's Nokia Deal Could Cost Android Manufacturers Too
  2. parapup, Jun 14, 2011
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2011

    parapup macrumors 65816


    Oct 31, 2006
    If Florian Mueller said something there is a good chance it is some baseless, inflammable, not-real thing that has great likelihood of not happening.

    Moving right along.

    [ Apple and their followers are like insecure kids - if they get beat up, instead of either accepting or responding they drag that other cool kid in it for no reason but to feel better - look tomorrow that other kid might get beat too - then I will be vindicated.]
  3. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    nice headline grabbing BS by our media. It is safe to bet that the other manufactures were already paying the for the patents. I know LG, HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and Blackberry already have an agreement with them and most of them have patents sharing with Nokia.

    I love the piss poor reporting the media does.
  4. Hellhammer Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    Amen to this. Other OEMs have been making phones way before Apple even came up with the idea of iPhone. They have already settled with Nokia and are paying the license fees, so why would this hurt Android?
  5. FlameofAnor macrumors regular

    Feb 23, 2011
    Castrate your competition, Steve?....... that's not very nice. ;)
  6. ratzzo macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2011
    It could. It probably may never happen, but if it does, Apple's "surrendering" to Nokia's lawsuit would just add to Nokia's side of the story for anyone who shares a lawsuit regarding whatever patent Apple and Nokia were originally arguing over.
  7. Oletros macrumors 603


    Jul 27, 2009
    Premià de Mar
    Florian on Twitter was incapable of telling why those companies would have to pay and why has been making phones since the 90's without any problem.
  8. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    So because iOS infringes, this automatically makes Android infringe upon it too?
  9. maclaptop macrumors 65816


    Apr 8, 2011
    Western Hemisphere
    The test of time will prove it's all meaningless.
  10. supmango macrumors 6502

    Feb 17, 2008
    From the same article:

    “Having proven its ability to defeat Apple after the most bitterly contested patent dispute that this industry has seen to date is clear proof of” the effectiveness of Nokia's more aggressive strategy, Mr. Mueller said. “Other companies whom Nokia will ask to pay royalties will have to think very hard whether to pay or pick a fight."

    So it sounds like to me, Nokia just became the school yard bully.
  11. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    The "winner" of a cross-licensing deal, if you want to think of it that way, is the one who gets paid, in this case Nokia. I doubt that Apple has had trouble because its lawyers are spread too thin, but the settlement is presumably worth it to Apple. They may have expected to owe these same licensing payments anyway as a result of the lawsuits.

    It's best for our interests as consumers if companies have strong reasons to do the R&D for new developments, with rights to their patents being one of their incentives. But it's also in our interests to see new developments used in many products, which can result from cross-licensing and even from patent infringement! Somebody (us) ultimately has to pay for it, of course, but I'd rather pay for R&D than for court battles.
  12. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    The only way this even "hurts" android and others is they have to keep paying the fees they have been paying any how.

    oh wait that does nothing to them and it is status quo. If Apple had won it would of done some good so to speak because they would no longer have to license them.
  13. RodThePlod macrumors 6502a


    Sep 7, 2005
    Cor.... Nokia are gonna be rolling in it!

  14. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    And Android still has to face the Java lawsuit that might wipe them out.

    I am sure many people can't wait.
  15. Nitrocide macrumors 6502


    Sep 24, 2005
    Bristol, UK
    Cover story, Apple and Nokia had this planned all along :p
  16. kenypowa macrumors 6502a

    Oct 16, 2008
    lol like it's going to happen.
  17. ChazUK, Jun 14, 2011
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2011

    ChazUK macrumors 603


    Feb 3, 2008
    Essex (UK)
    Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.4; en-gb; Nexus S Build/GRJ22) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1)

    This is fantastic news!

    Hit Bada and WebOS whilst they're at it.

    Edit: I am being sarcastic btw.
  18. Mattie Num Nums macrumors 68030

    Mattie Num Nums

    Mar 5, 2009
    Florian Mueller has been proven in the past to publish BS information. I take anything he says for a grain of salt.
  19. benthewraith macrumors 68040


    May 27, 2006
    Miami, FL
    Oracle may or may not win, but I severely doubt it would take out Android.

    As far as Mueller goes, in my opinion I think he has as much or less credibility than Paul Thurrott.
  20. Just "Vinnie" macrumors member

    May 5, 2011
    Yeah, right. And Apple was the poor weak nerdy kid with glasses. LOL!

    Apple has a tendency to innovate without researching whether it's already been "innovated" by somebody else already.
  21. Jeaz macrumors 6502


    Dec 12, 2009
    Makes more sense that it's cross-licenense and not as suggested by all media this morning that it's all Apple -> Nokia.
  22. juicedropsdeuce macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2010
    Ok, what gives here. Is this some stock pump article by MR????

    First the false report that Android makers will have to pay Nokia (they already license the patent). Next, showing a completely unrelated picture of a 'fat' Steve Jobs which was obviously from half a decade ago.

    Real classy! :rolleyes:
  23. juicedropsdeuce macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2010
    LOL. Yes, wipe them out.
  24. mdatwood macrumors 6502a

    Mar 14, 2010
    Denver, CO
    That's like saying Nokia was going wipe out the iPhone, ie never would happen. There is too much money going around and in the end someone will pay someone else and Android will go on.
  25. rmwebs macrumors 68040

    Apr 6, 2007
    I guess you'd be all for an Apple dictatorship over the market wouldn't you. Are you sure you're a consultant? :rolleyes:

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