Apple's Nokia Deal Could Cost Android Manufacturers Too

[cchaplin]

Thanks! I understand it fully. It's my fault that you missed the point, as I mistakenly assumed most people had read all my previous posts on the topic.

I was expressing my amusement at an article that predicted other companies with less IP would have to pay more, right after a whole year of previous articles crying foul that Apple might have to do the same, for the same reason.

Cheers!

Maybe I should have. Now that you point it out as irony I kind of like it

Cheers!

 

[azbigdog]

fantard

Something else that I dont get from the article, and some comments is this:
"Other companies, notably Android handset manufacturers, may now have to play ball with Nokia on these patents -- and they don't necessarily have the margins to send 1% of gross revenues to Nokia as easily as Apple can. "

I mean this isnt regresseive taxation-- 1% is 1%... so if these other manufacturers dont have the revenues... they will be paying less in comparison and no more as a percentage of their earnings?

If I earn $100 and have to pay 1% I pay.. 1$
If I earn $1,000,000 I pay $10,000.

I dont see how it hurts the little guy more except if as the florian guy is hoping, they negotiate worse terms. but otherwise... wtf?

It hurts the manufacturers who make lower percentages on their hardware. Apple has a very high profit percentage on their products. The p.o.s. of the day android phone is given away free it does not.

 

[azbigdog]

re:

Fear in this case is implying that other manufacturers would face added licensing cost above what they already pay, which would result in added costs for the consumer or "problems" in profitability for said manufacturers. Which is what Florian Mueller is claiming and what you are implying.

Do we really need to explain every point to you, you really can't figure out any of this on your own ?



And again, what about the fact that all Android players, HTC, LG, Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericsson having been in the mobile industry for over a decade doesn't catch on with you ? Apple wasn't the first Nokia was going after, so why would Nokia have left these players alone ?

You don't know, I don't know. But : people like me who claim these guys are licensed have a much better leg to stand on than you and Florian do in your claims.

As such, stop spreading FUD. Until Nokia files a lawsuit, nothing is going to happen to the Android manufacturers. Stating otherwise is again : Fear Uncertainty Doubt.

Does this sound like a guy who is not planning other lawsuits??

“We are very pleased to have Apple join the growing number of Nokia licensees,” said Stephen Elop, president and chief executive officer of Nokia. “This settlement demonstrates Nokia’s industry leading patent portfolio and enables us to focus on further licensing opportunities in the mobile communications market.”

 

[KnightWRX]

Does this sound like a guy who is not planning other lawsuits??

“We are very pleased to have Apple join the growing number of Nokia licensees,” said Stephen Elop, president and chief executive officer of Nokia. “This settlement demonstrates Nokia’s industry leading patent portfolio and enables us to focus on further licensing opportunities in the mobile communications market.”

Against established players in the industry that have contributed and licensed the patents in question for years before Apple thought of an idea for a phone ? No. For other new comers like Apple that think they can reap the benefits without paying their dues ? Yes.

The Android ecosystem is compromised of the former.

Until there's a lawsuit, it's all FUD.

 

[ZipZapRap]

The Android ecosystem is compromised

Lol..

 

[mjtomlin]

A little fact checking...

Goes a long way.

A few points here...

1. Apple was all set to pay the licensing fee to Nokia, but Nokia demanded much more than the fair amount they charged other companies. They also wanted access to some of Apple's iPhone patents.
2. Apple flat pout refused to these terms and decided to use the tech without licensing it, knowing full well it would end up in court. I'm pretty sure Apple has been preparing for this moment to pay Nokia what it is due - a fair amount for the license.
3. No one has even mentioned the fact that a month ago Apple bought 200 wireless communication patents from Freescale (Motorola) that are related to tech used in the iPhone and iPad. Apple could have used these to form the cross-licensing settlement.
4. I'd be willing to guess that just about all current mobile handset makers have already licensed the Nokia IP and are free from being dragged into court.

Ars has a nice summary of ACTUAL events here...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...ry-patent-hatchet-with-apple-for-lump-sum.ars

 

[kdarling]

1. Apple was all set to pay the licensing fee to Nokia, but Nokia demanded much more than the fair amount they charged other companies. They also wanted access to some of Apple's iPhone patents.

Every time this is repeated, it totally ignores the fact that in the end, Nokia was so sure of their position, they asked an American jury to decide what was a fair payment from Apple.

No demand for cross licensing. No demand for high royalties. Not even a demand for triple damages, as Apple haughtily did in their countersuit, although they said they were open to anything extra the court thought was just.

Apple decided to avoid the jury trial and settled ahead of time. Now, there could be a bunch of reasons for that, including:

• Apple thought a jury's fair amount would be more, including possible damages.
• The ITC was not buying their counter claims of Nokia infringing Apple patents.
• Apple wanted to look friendly towards licensing before bidding on the Nortel patents.
• Nokia's deal with Microsoft effectively ended Apple's countersuit claims.

 

[Oletros]

1. Apple was all set to pay the licensing fee to Nokia, but Nokia demanded much more than the fair amount they charged other companies. They also wanted access to some of Apple's iPhone patents.

And how do you know this is a fact?

 

[Dbrown]

That's no proof.

Nokia might just be considering if those other manufacturers don't have bigger things to retaliate with. After all they all have been making mobile phones for a long time, haven't they...

Also why is Google so desperately bidding for Nortel's 3G patents? Maybe leverage for the Open Handset Alliance?

maybe you missed the "virtually all cell phone manufacturers have licensed Nokia technology" part.