It would really be interesting if someone on MR got called to be a juror at one of these lawsuits and kept us up to date with what's happening
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Apple's Opening Court Statement Focuses on Samsung's Radical Shift in Phone Design
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https://twitter.com/inafried
She's giving live updates from the courtroom.
The VAST majority of people have no idea that these lawsuits are even happening. The percentage of the population that spends time on tech news websites is minimal.
Yes, people should definitely read and understand the jury instructions. The part about trade dress (aka the look) is especially pertinent to this thread:
So, what the heck is Trade Dress #3470983 ? It's this design trademark, which of course was written to be quite specific to the iPhone:
So when a touch screen phone takes the world by storm, such as the iphone did, of course everyone will implement touch screens.
Apple, how many ways do you expect a touch screen phone to look like? Apple is overreaching and it coms off to me that they think they should be the only ones able to use a pure touch phone
Many Android makers have their own designs (though ugly), but only Scamsung choose to copy Apple, completely to packaging and accessories.
Well, they can't openly accuse Eric Schmidt of this because they don't have proof and therefore it's slander. However, the timeline of events fits in perfectly.
2006: Android prototype
Clearly here they were imitating Blackberry.
Jan. 2007: Apple unveils the iPhone
Early 2007: Eric Schmidt is given a prototype iPhone to use and it is not to be used by anyone else
Feb. 25: Valleywag posts an article about how Schmidt's mistrss was bloggin about using an iPhone
http://gizmodo.com/5479684/google-c...rototype-iphones-and-steve-stoned-jesuit-jobs
Nov 2007: Google demoes a touchscreen Android device and it is ROUGH. The scrolling isn't fluid and multitouch performance is lousy. It looks like it was cobbled together in a couple of months
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg
Now, the original ANdroid prototype was never released. I find it hard to believe that Google was working on this without:
1. Telling the world because they don't have a problem showing off Google Glasses two years before it was to be released
2. When Google wasn't working on touchscreen technology and neither was the Android team that Google bought which originally created the sidekick.
3. That Google would base their OS off of native applications, which the can't access, especially when they were always about the web.
Apple didn't innovative. The technology was already there but they packaged and presented the best. Most do not know LG was the first to release a touch screen.
These law suits have nothing to with protecting ideas and designs. It has everything to do with apple losing money to Samsung. I don't know anyone who confuses an iPhone with a Samsung phone .
These law suits have nothing to with protecting ideas and designs. It has everything to do with apple losing money to Samsung. I don't know anyone who confuses an iPhone with a Samsung phone .
Didn't Apple invite hime before they stared their multi-faceted competition (mobile OS, desktop OS, Web documents, and now even ads and mapping)? And didn't Eric choose to leave once his company entered in earnest many of the areas Apple was already a major force in?
Besides, he could have attended the early iPhone meetings before Google really started working on Android, because in the early stages of iPhone development, no Android phones had been released, so it wasn't a conflict of interest at that point in time.
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I could list a 100 things that look similar in almost every industry.
They never go lawsuit happy on each other.
The photos that are shown are examples of phone evolution.
Look at landline phones. They all evolved over time to look similar, same with cars, washing machines, refridgerators, ovens, ranges, TV's, Computers, etc, etc....
Apple needs to focus on innovation and stop these dumb lawsuits.
If you spent half the time you spent on these lawsuits on improving on the iPhone, you would not have to worry about the competition.
They never go lawsuit happy on each other.
The photos that are shown are examples of phone evolution.
Look at landline phones. They all evolved over time to look similar, same with cars, washing machines, refridgerators, ovens, ranges, TV's, Computers, etc, etc....
Apple needs to focus on innovation and stop these dumb lawsuits.
If you spent half the time you spent on these lawsuits on improving on the iPhone, you would not have to worry about the competition.
The silver samsung phone is the I700 and was announced in 2003 so it was not a 2006 phone and phones did evolve very quickly as the consumer focus shifted more towards a desire for touch screen phones. This is something PPC had before an iPhone was ever conceived.
But I think that's the point being made by Apple, whether we agree with it or not. No one, except for perhaps LG, had designed models illustrating a touchscreen device with no keyboard prior to the iPhone. Now the reply comes "but that's where devices were going", and in retrospect that's easy to claim, but if that's really where things were going then you'd think there would be more evidence of designs indicating this is where things were going. I remember vividly everyone thinking the iPhone would be a huge failure precisely because it had no keyboard, so it wasn't at all obvious at the time that a touchscreen phone without a keyboard was the direction of where things were headed. And the LG Prada, which was the only other model without a keyboard, was a failure. Good thing the industry didn't rely on LG on that one. I'd hate to appeal to Balmer in any context, but he tends to represent the "party lines" of the industry and you will surely recall his remarks in this context.
copy of what?
Have you ever seen the back of a white iPhone 3GS?
Here, let me jog your memory:
Actually, I'd better put them both up to give you a clearer view.
I assume that's a personal dig, but I'll chalk it up to your being hurt by the truth.
But just by coincidence, following the introduction of iPhone, touch support on the Android platform got increasingly better.
It's worth a sell. Not sure I buy it though.
It's a simple case really, did Samsung copy Apple ? YES.
HOWEVER
Apple changed the game so much their basic design became the fundamental footprint for all smart phones from that point onwards.
I have no issued with the external design Samsung have copied my issues are with Apples IP in the SW. things like pinch to zoom, universal search ect, These should be heavly defended. If a company comes up with a feature like this they must be defended. These are the areas that give them an edge and competition.
HOWEVER
Apple changed the game so much their basic design became the fundamental footprint for all smart phones from that point onwards.
I have no issued with the external design Samsung have copied my issues are with Apples IP in the SW. things like pinch to zoom, universal search ect, These should be heavly defended. If a company comes up with a feature like this they must be defended. These are the areas that give them an edge and competition.
Based on the first line of "The mark consists of the configuration of a rectangular handheld mobile digital electronic device with rounded silver edges, a black face, and an array of 16 square icons with rounded edges." I have to ask how can a company register a rectangular handheld mobile digital device when in fact every phone prior to the iPhone was a rectangular handheld mobile digital electronic device and in some cases had silver as the primary color which would mean the edges were silver.
I guess what I am asking is (and I know what the response will be) Samsung's success based on the perceived similarity or the actual product they are delivering, ANDROID.
When I see (and have used) a Samsung device I am not seeing an iOS device, when I had a Xoom I didn't compare it to my iPad.
It seems ridiculous.
Have you ever seen the back of a white iPhone 3GS?
Here, let me jog your memory:
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I assume that's a personal dig, but I'll chalk it up to your being hurt by the truth.
Different size, different geometry, different material, different camera layout, different assembly
I don't see it aside from them both being rectangular blocks.
What the hell are you talking about? Debunked? Other than the image with the app store and safari logo, all of those images are legit. How can they be debunked when they're real?
Am I taking crazy pills here? How about you debunk them for me, so, I can see your logic.
And by that you are saying Apple is incorruptible, squeaky clean and has nothing to hide in its closet in terms of patent abuse, use without compensation and outright stealing of technology knowing that a smaller company does not have $100 Billion plus in cash reserves to fight them. If so then sure your right.
You never cease to spread non-sense around here. People love you here!
After the iPhone, the phones cited in the picture are one of those failures that no even talks about. You need not list those traditional phones as Samsung didn't just change their design overnight. They continued to release those phones and still do in different markets. The real picture is what Apple showed which brought in contrast the scenario in context.
But as usual, you will spread out ******** and try to convince people that Apple is wrong.
It's quite obvious Samsung copies Apple in almost everything:
You know, people will see that and not even give a ****. They won't find any similarities in this.
Its such blatant copying. Forgetting the SD card reader and others for a minute, look at MacMini copy, iPod Touch copy and the way they are advertised. Samsung themselves put that photoshopped iPod Touch copy device with Google Maps (as on iOS).
It is hilarious that some folks still defend them. Will wait for people like KnightWRX, bushido and Kdarling to counter this photo with a single comment about standard interfaces and bla bla...
What are you trying to show? He has multiple mac devices, and for all you know, he's just being sarcastic. Troll or not, everything he's saying is correct. I am appalled that he doesn't list any song recommendations.
