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What strange logic.

So if company A(for apple) can't sell obsolete junk, and company B(for Lenovo) can't sell modern hardware, what does that tell you about company A and modern hardware?

Clearly you're not saying it means company A won't be able to sell modern hardware. And you're not saying that company A should drag their feet on modern hardware. So your entire post is a null statement.
No, my statement is not null. I was replying to some posters saying that because Apple can increase sales by updating the tech. This is not necessarily true, example is Lenovo. They updated the tech yet saw a decrease in sales.
 
Well things are about where one might expect. Lenevo made no bones about saying they wanted to be the number one seller of computers for home and office use in the world. Amazing that they kept making models that sold and sold and came out with models for all sorts of uses. Meanwhile, Apple ignores the gaming market, ignores Professionals (thus the top of the line Whale spincter Mac Pro) and on and on.

Hey Apple, consider listening to some of the disdain from your base of users/purchasers it just might pay off. Start with the Mac Pro, the Mac Mini, something in between for gamers and of course, learn a new lesson - thin is not always better... especially when your laptops sold can't even traverse a page full of Flash ads without heating up and making fans go crazy.
That would be great IF Apple was interested in being #1 in computers - but they are not. They are a phone maker, because that's what the stockholders want.
 
Anybody got any views on this?...

My predicament:

I need a new laptop and a MacBook Air will probably work well for my needs. I just don't want to buy one to find that updated MBPs are released soon with good specs and price drops to match the MBA (probably a big ask). Or perhaps the Airs will get discontinued and I'll get a good deal as they sell off old stock.
If I go for the Air now I can get the educational discount plus get the free Beats headphones (which I don't need). So that's $949 and hopefully sell the headphones for $200ish. So that would be $749 plus tax.
Alternatively I could wait until September when they may or may not update the MBPs but miss out on the summer student deal.
Only I can make the decision but I would be grateful for any thoughts/comments you guys might have. What would YOU do? Many thanks in advance.
 
Anybody got any views on this?...

I wouldn't buy a laptop with screen technology from 10 years ago in 2016. If it is urgent, I'd perhaps scout Amazon/eBay for a discounted new 13" Retina MacBook Pro. If you can find a good deal with a significant saving, you can forgive the fact that the hardware is outdated by 12/18 months.
 
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Well, Apple doesn't make PCs, they make Macs, so their PC sales are bound to fall behind... ;)
 
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That really made my day
 
What strange logic.

So if company A(for apple) can't sell obsolete junk, and company B(for Lenovo) can't sell modern hardware, what does that tell you about company A and modern hardware?

Clearly you're not saying it means company A won't be able to sell modern hardware. And you're not saying that company A should drag their feet on modern hardware. So your entire post is a null statement.

Apple should release modern hardware (which doesn't just mean a switch to Skylake). They should sell a machine that is more capable than what they sold before. And 2012 was peak Mac hardware. There is absolutely zero reason to buy any computer Apple sells in 2016 over what they sold in 2012. The 2012's were better machines with a better lineup of options.
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Pie graphs are fun. But let's compare yours to the 2016 version.
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So...iPhones are a smaller piece. iPads are 25% smaller. Macs have grown.

And...the entire Pie is smaller. They iPhone will go the way of Blackberry/Nokia/Motorola/etc. It's only a matter of time and the way the cell phone market has always been, phones are a fashion statement, just look at all the people here who want a new "look" more than anything else. Fashions become passe very suddenly. Tablets were a fad who's time has passed. And Apple wants to kill off the Mac.
Killing off the Mac (with iPad sales falling) would make them even more dependent on the iPhone. Putting all your eggs in 1 basket has never been a long term formula for success. Tim needs to go.
 
Killing off the Mac (with iPad sales falling) would make them even more dependent on the iPhone. Putting all your eggs in 1 basket has never been a long term formula for success. Tim needs to go.
If Apple is going to kill anything, it'll be the iPad, not the Mac. iPad sales are down much more compared to Macs. But we all know Apple is not killing anything.
 
See I'm of the opposite mindset. I think those who can live with just having one port is very specific. And it is hard to just say "oh use a dongle" to people you have been praising Apple products to all these years about their simplicity of how things just work.
I can live with just one port on the go. I can not live with out it at my desk but there i want a single cable connection to it for my dock.
 
It is pretty embarrassing, so I'm hoping the new one is at least a big upgrade. I'm still running a pre-unibody MBP and it works well enough with an SSD. I'm just waiting for a big upgrade since I try to keep my laptops for a really long time.
 
Anybody got any views on this?...
I believe the last day for the headphone deal is around September 5th (check the fine print on the apple site).

I would wait until the end of August to wait on news of hardware updates for MBP and MBA (or the end of the macbook air). That's what I am doing. I have been using a mac at work for years and want to purchase my first macbook. If you wait you can possibly get a better deal on outgoing hardware. If not, the headphones deal will still be good. I would still buy the Macbook air for a reduced price. I can deal with the outdated screen for more ports, functional keyboard, and better processor (versus the retina MacBook)
 
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Apple is lucky that Windows is kind of a disaster, or I feel like switching would be closer to a no-brainer.

I used to think so until I tried Windows 10. It is not bad at all. And surprise, Microsoft isn't involved in Apple's war on contrast. GUI elements are well defined and easy to read. I'd even go so far as to say that Microsoft are now maybe a bit ahead of Apple on GUI design.

Ok, I'm still in shock over having typed that last sentence, but it's true. Apple are not the same company they were in 2006.
 
The way IDC presents these numbers, in particular the two % changes (market as a whole and individual mfr), has never struck me as very helpful.

The manufacturer numbers should be % change in market capture. Apple went from 7.4ish to 7.0ish, a change of 0.4% or a 4% net decline in percent of market capture (0.4/7.4). The other number includes the effect of the market category change which manufacturers have close to zero control over (a popular product can push the number up for a short time, but rarely enough to make much difference over an entire year).

Anyway, the real number, IMO, is that Apple has 4% less of the computer market that has shrunk 8% in the last year.
 
No, my statement is not null. I was replying to some posters saying that because Apple can increase sales by updating the tech. This is not necessarily true, example is Lenovo. They updated the tech yet saw a decrease in sales.


Personally I don't think apple should focus on what is most profitable, if that is selling old cheap tech for a premium price or up to date less profitable but more popular hardware. They should strive to keep the macs as great and possibly fast as possible for those who need it. Doing what they can to make the macs so much better than pc`s they possibly can, in performance, elegance and usability. ...like it felt they were doing 3-4 years back. Why? Because they want to lure people into the apple distortion field. I'm buying everything macs now because my once beloved iMac and my main workstation made me interested in a unified ecosystem of nice looking hardware that also felt great to use. That distortion field is almost gone to me now. Sitting with a nice looking machine I know can do everything worse than even my sons gaming computers that cost 1/4 of the price of my iMac..it feels as if I have been ripped off. And if this iMac will be the last apple workhorse I buy, I don't mind trying other phones than the iPhone too. Especially now with the rumors of a crappy iPhone7 coming out, it's no sex left and the appeal apple once had is vanishing. It feels like shallow products to me, like a sport car chassis stuck on a Lada engine just to make money from ignorant consumers.
 
Personally I don't think apple should focus on what is most profitable,

Tim doesn't like you :p

but I concur. As a case study you can look at Dell and see what happens when your company strives for gross margins at the expense of quality in order to appease investors.

There was an absolute time after Dell went public that quality tanked. it was all about profit margins and volume sales. Impress investors at all costs, and it eventually caused them to tank as a PC business, because eventually fickle consumers look elsewhere for quality (Bet your ass Apple took advantage of this).

Michael Dell (the founder) realized his company was going down the *******, and took advantage of the tanking stock to buy back control of his company and turn it around. in the last few years Dell has absolutely become a quality brand again (look at the XPS 13/15's that are receiving extremely favourable reviews).

Focusing on providing the highest margins to investors by sacrificing customer value is a disaster. This is how I feel Apple is currently focused. When you have yearly financials come out showing some of the highest margins in the business, (40% on average), while the CEO and top brass are boasting about record profits on those margins, paying themselves 100's of millions in congradulatory back patting, but not actually providing updated value to their customers, you have a serious crossroads of interest. the average consumer does not give a rats ass that Apple is profitable. They give a rats ass that the advertising says "4th gen intel CPU" while everyone else is marketting "6th gen intel CPU"
 
I used to think so until I tried Windows 10. It is not bad at all.

I liked Win10 a lot at first, but now spend more time fighting it's "user friendliness" than on any prior Windows version. So many new features look great until you go to use them and realize they are half-baked or completely backwards.

Edited to add -- there's a reason they've made the "refresh windows install" so much easier now. You'll need to do it every 9-12 months.
 
I was on Tim's side up until this year but it has become abundantly clear he does not understand the Apple Culture and he does not understand that he is ruining the brand by selling 3 year old products that are suppose to be your top model.

Everyone knows that phone models are cyclical so its just a matter of time before iPhone sales trend downward. Apple had an opportunity to build up their share of the computer market with halo sales for when things start to taper off in phone land. They had the chance to dominate but blew it big time. Very short sided leading if you ask me. Its clear that there is a halo effect because its shocking how well they are doing with sales of this ancient lineup. Can you imagine if they had machines that actually matched what PC's include with regular updates and maybe just a couple of dollars worth of marketing. When was the last time you've seen a mac commercial.

Steve and Woz were doing this stuff in their garage by themselves for pete sakes, I just don't get what 100 000+ employees are doing over there. How many employee days does it take to refresh something like the MacPro once a year. (you know like put in E5v3 which has the same socket, Replace the GPU's with something current, maybe add some Ram and up the HD just to keep the pricing somewhat justifiable and competitive.

900+ day with no updates and more importantly, no communication of whats going on, is completely unacceptable. There are business such as ours that rely on these machines, and we require them to be technologically at par with PC's to stay competitive. Just like Apple partners with suppliers to get stuff they need to run their business, we partner with Apple to get the tools to run ours. I would like to see how Tim would deal with suppliers that are over 900 days releasing products and no communication at all if there will even be a new product. This is just so unprofessional and offensive in how they are treating us. If you are not interested in this market, the least you can do is tell us. Unfortunately, I've seen so many of my colleagues foolishly abandon Apple's ship but it is become more apparent that I am the foolish one. 19 days left for me.
 
So glad I paid less than my 2010 iMac w/Apple Care for my 2013 27" iMac with AC. Might be a little slow, but it works for me. Sure, I get all new and shiny envy, but with Apple exec mindset of money, money, money and a flip of the bird toward consumers, I am voting with my wallet. If I needed a new machine now, I'd either repeat my purchase of an older model on sale or go Windows. I understand for many this isn't a viable or desirable choice and I truly hope Apple releases some solid computers and software again.
 
I wouldn't buy a laptop with screen technology from 10 years ago in 2016. If it is urgent, I'd perhaps scout Amazon/eBay for a discounted new 13" Retina MacBook Pro. If you can find a good deal with a significant saving, you can forgive the fact that the hardware is outdated by 12/18 months.

I believe the last day for the headphone deal is around September 5th (check the fine print on the apple site).

I would wait until the end of August to wait on news of hardware updates for MBP and MBA (or the end of the macbook air). That's what I am doing. I have been using a mac at work for years and want to purchase my first macbook. If you wait you can possibly get a better deal on outgoing hardware. If not, the headphones deal will still be good. I would still buy the Macbook air for a reduced price. I can deal with the outdated screen for more ports, functional keyboard, and better processor (versus the retina MacBook)

Thanks for your replies.
A retina display is not a deal-breaker for me. In fact I would prefer better battery life so non-retina might help with this. I need this laptop for my 2 hour (each way) daily commute, so battery life and weight are important (although the new MBP seems too lightweight for me).
I guess I'll hold on until early Sept before making a purchase although I have a feeling I'll end up getting a MBA anyway.
 
Apple do ignore it though! That's the point.
I'm not entirely sure about that.

While I will give you (and others) the benefit of doubt, since there inaction on updating the line does show some level of inattentiveness and perhaps even hubris as they assumed that people will always be willing to pay a premium for the Macs regardless if the components are a number of generations old (15" MBP uses a Haswell chipset).
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I guess I'll hold on until early Sept before making a purchase although I have a feeling I'll end up getting a MBA anyway.
Your best bet is post your questions in a thread dedicated to your needs,instead of posting in a news thread where your questions could be ignored since they a bit off topic to the subject matter.
 
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I used to think so until I tried Windows 10. It is not bad at all. And surprise, Microsoft isn't involved in Apple's war on contrast. GUI elements are well defined and easy to read. I'd even go so far as to say that Microsoft are now maybe a bit ahead of Apple on GUI design.

Ok, I'm still in shock over having typed that last sentence, but it's true. Apple are not the same company they were in 2006.

Weird, I recently used Windows 10 and felt exactly the opposite. It's as if they just added a bunch of flashy, unnecessary gloss to what is still fundamentally the same problematic design: a horrible hybrid of a few decent ideas (Windows XP, 7) and a truly abysmal one (Windows 8).
 
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