And I quote my source that says they have called it a PC replacement:
https://www.recode.net/2016/8/4/12371298/apple-ipad-pro-pc-replacement-pc
Damn it feels good to come to a debate with facts.....
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And I quote my source that says they have called it a PC replacement:
https://www.recode.net/2016/8/4/12371298/apple-ipad-pro-pc-replacement-pc
Damn it feels good to come to a debate with facts.....
And I quote common sense that says it very well can be and is a PC replacement for many people and many different types of careers. It's not going to replace everything a PC can do (just like a Mac can't do everything Windows can do and vice versa, but you'd never complain if they said a Mac was a Windows replacement), but it is definitely a PC replacement for lots of people.
You're right, it does feel good to come to a debate with facts, and also with a realization that your use case is not everyone's use case.
Now if only iOS didn't cripple me so much that I feel the constant need to go back to using my laptop...
Can people stop saying this!
The reality is Mac OS and windows OS are generally bloated and unoptimized. They run hundreds of background tasks that are unnecessary for most functions users have to do.
Windows can up to 2gs of ram without any users apps running!
And if you think Adobe’s 30 yr old code base makes the best use of the computer then your having a laugh.
Apple have been able to start afresh and try to get the most power out of the chips they have. Mac OS is holding them back to be honest.
In a few years you will see iOS / a series architecture running rings round whatever can be done on windows and Mac OS.
"Apple's Phil Schiller and Anand Shimpi Provide Insight Into A12X Chip in New iPad Pro Models"
No offense to Anand since I know he is really smart - but this is hardly an "insight" and more like a promo piece for Apple great chip team - his previous web side Anantech already did the real down dirty review of this chip.
No offense to Anand since I know he is really smart - but this is hardly an "insight" and more like a promo piece for Apple great chip team - his previous web side Anantech already did the real down dirty review of this chip.
In what way does iOS cripple YOU? Of course if you're going to your iPad to try and open Xcode, I can understand why you feel crippled, but do you not know what iOS is capable of? Is it a big shock to find iOS instead of macOS on your iPad every time you turn it on? I have a simple solution for you. Use the iPad for what it's good at and use your Mac for what it's good at. Now you won't feel "crippled" so much.
Or maybe you mean the simplicity and ease-of-use makes you feel crippled? Like, man iOS is so simple even a child or a disabled person could use this device just as good as I can man now I feel like a child or a cripple or something because Apple feels the need to make their mobile OS so ridiculously easy to use I need to go back to my laptop so I feel smart and grown up again.
I don't know, maybe I'm putting too much thought into the way you said it but I just seriously don't understand how this can keep happening "constantly".
Totally valid point and I was thinking the same thing. Come out with a hot-dog, wet your pants Pro system and then hamper it with new emulation requirements? Wow, would that be a bad move. And I doubt they will do it.
Been hearing the same for years but iOS since like 7 is largely the same as 12 and in some cases worse like background multitasking downgraded from 10 minutes with iOS <=6 down to 3 minutes with iOS >=7. So, that means that an active connected SSH session gets suspended in the background then killed after 3 minutes. iOS is designed for grandmas unless you're Grace Hopper.
Oooo ... I did not know that. Good to know, as I'll be on the iPad train soon, lol
I understand where you're coming from, but you are projecting an issue with Safari to be an issue with the operating system it's on. When the reality is it's just a limitation of Safari and not iOS. The fact that other apps can multi-task proves that. But according to the reply above this one, PIP can now be done in Safari too. Regardless, true multi-tasking has been available in iOS for awhile now. It's up to apps which were initially designed to "not multitask" (because they couldn't so they had to design it with non-multitasking in mind) to add support for it. Which is what YouTube actually did.
Initially the iOS YouTube app wasn't designed to multi-task, so they added that functionality when Apple made it available to use. But instead of moving all users to that new core design, they enabled it for only the premium ones, while the non-premium users remained on the initial core design.
No. It starts very basic. For you. Again:
iPad is limited because of iOS.
Right now I sit in an ergonomic position in front of my 12" MacBook (on a stand) and can easily edit this text with an external Keyboard and external Trackpad. Without getting backaches or being frustrated while marking text for copy/paste.
Even this basic stuff is impossible with a $1800 USB-C iPad. On a gorgeous 12.9" display. What a shame.
Means: if I want to work in an ergonomic position, I need to buy an expensive Mac and if I also want to lay in the bed and doing webbrowsing, I need to buy an expensive iPad? But the display (12" vs. 12.9") is nearly the same.
Yes... and no. I can't find fault with anything you said and I'm blown away by the raw power. Concerning the debates regarding how the chips would perform with a "real" OS and/or with a "real" computer is a theoretical discussion that doesn't interest me much. I think I can accept that what's been achieved with the chip is pretty damned impressive, not question what it theoretically could (or could not) do with a "real" OS/Computer and still be exasperated with how short Apple has fallen with regard to my use cases.
Being fully cognizant of the fact that my use cases are mine (but also feeling that they probably approximate the use cases of many), I'm exasperated because:
- Still no support for an input device (magic mouse, trackpad, whatever - I'd be fine if it was locked down to Apple only)
- Limited support for external storage - Apple, please note that my use case extends well beyond adding to my camera roll. It's a tablet, not a phone, this should be common sense IMO.
- Limited support for a file system - along with support for external storage, it should support a file system at the OS level, not simply at the app level and not limited to the cloud (the "Files" app is not adequate for my use case).
- Limited support for external displays - yes, USB-C provides higher-res options and improved performance, BUT... true dual-display support only exists at the app level. It should be enabled at the OS level.
Having said that - yeah, the chip screams. And the new iPad is terrific. And I want one (someday). I just can't agree it is a "Pro" system and I totally get the complaints. They are rooted in the knowledge that there is so much more that can and should be possible with the hardware and software available.
That was a great reply (the full length of your reply, not just the quote, lol).
It's possible they'd meet some of your use cases, but I think in some regards they never will. Like the filesystem being accessible at the OS level. That's a security issue Apple from the door wanted to avoid, and will continue doing so. I do not believe there will ever come a time that you'll get one device that meets all of your desires in the Apple ecosystem. But I could be wrong.
[doublepost=1541626866][/doublepost]To add: with the current state of software sandboxing, even Microsoft is moving away from allowing filesystem access at the OS level. They are moving more towards the application interaction paradigm set by iOS. As people move more online, this becomes more necessary. There will probably come a time where "filesystems" as we know it, will become obsolete, and exist more like NoSQL memory stores.
The future does not exist in filesystems with predefined structures, but rather exists in network of data systems defined by the app developers that structured what they needed as they needed it. A malleable structure versus the fixed structure of old (where everything is in a predictable and thus exploitable place).
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Not necessarily, though some level of emulation would be needed. Typical “pro” users would also be more likely to adapt to the latest and greatest software to take advantage of any horsepower. It’s everyone else that would be anchored with legacy software. Devs and media production tend to take advantage of the latest and greatest sooner if it makes sense.
As I recall when Apple transitioned to Intel, the Mac Pro update came fairly early in that transition.
I still see some of those machines running to this day in some small post production shops.
So that’s called an alternative, not replacement. It’s like saying a motorcycle is a replacement to a car. No, that’s an alternative. A replacement does not require sacrifices, where as an alternative is whatever you want it to be.
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Apple's chip team is the best in the business. If they don't make the switch from Intel soon, it's going to look very stupid. It's interesting close the current situation mirrors the move from Power PC to Intel. Power per watt was the driving factor. The same exact thing is happening today. It no longer makes sense to stay with Intel.
No need to retype your whole comment. I read it and wasn't interested in responding, but since you copied and pasted it into mine and someone else's conversation, I'll go ahead and respond to yours now.
Wow, two different products with two different use cases. Are you really complaining that you can easily browse in bed with the iPad? If the ease-of-use is what's difficult for you, take the iPad back and stick with the Mac. Btw, the only thing the iPad is missing from your entire description is external trackpad support. There are plenty of stands for it and you can use your Magic Keyboard with it. No trackpad is probably a big deal when you're trying to use it from 10 feet away, but it's actually a pretty capable machine and can easily replace a PC for lots of different people and careers. If you're not one of those people, no big deal just don't try to replace your laptop with an iPad.
They’re not limited to their own GPUs. Just like how Intel machines aren’t limited to the often built in integrated graphics.
I could see an ARM machine with an AMD GPU.
But who knows?
Now you want to argue over word definitions? Come on man, what happened to that professional debate ethic you were bragging about earlier? Oh well, we're down to the definitions, so let's do this.
I replaced my car with a bike. I bought a bike and got rid of my car. To me, a bike is a perfectly workable car "replacement". Just because I still have both options (alternatives), doesn't mean I can't call my bike a car replacement if that's exactly what it is. Of course there are many different alternative transportation options, but the word replacement works just as good if that's what's actually happening.
Apple isn't trying to say the iPad is literally the next step up from all the PC's and servers the whole world has been running on for the last 30 years. They are saying that for you (obviously not you specifically, but their target customer), this new iPad is a very capable machine and it could even work as a PC replacement. They're not stupid. They know it can't do everything a PC can do, but they're not claiming it can. They're simply saying this can work as a PC replacement. They're not lying. It actually can and does work just fine as a PC replacement for lots of people.
Basically, if someone replaces their PC with an iPad, by definition it is a PC replacement in that case. The number of alternatives available doesn't really matter.