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They don't really care about security or privacy as long as they get their cut
Apple is sort of a digital mob boss
They're a mob.

Run your own economy ✅️
Reluctantly to comply with the Justice and the law ✅️
Their products' success is based on levels of addiction ✅️
Forces business to pay their cut ✅️
Use their economic power to coerce the press, politicians and competitors ✅️

Oh, and the piece of the cake: the security paranoia and the false sense that they're the only one in the world capable of securing your business and personal data ✅️

That last one is really similar not only to a mob but also to militia and gangs.
 
To be fair I think Apple does care about both security and privacy but they also very much care about getting their cut.

This is why this ”services” push is so bad for them as a company. This is exactly what they were not supposed to be.

A great point and I agree

Apple cares -- right up until their cut is at stake, you are correct

And the services push is a disaster, I also agree.
 
Yeah whatever. Typical “we care about user” crap. They won’t admit it but when their word counts, commitment will not follow.

Not true. What most people don't realize is the potential reputational harm that can come to Apple should apps from alternate app stores cause users to suffer from security and privacy attacks.

The public, however, will blame Apple for the harm that will come from users making poor decisions loading nefarious apps from other sources.
 
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I’m confused. Why is Mr. Schiller crying like a baby if each and every app from a non-Apple source has to go through Apple’s review process anyway? I guess unless your iphone is jailbroken it won’t even allow apps to be installed that are not approved by Apple. So, what’s the problem here?
 
This guy is genuinely just Apple marketing-speak in human form. I’ve never heard or read one insightful thing from him.
Yeah unfortunately another brainwashed tech guy living in a bubble who thought he was saving the world by deleting his X account, not realizing that the “little” guys were given a voice to throw their ideas into the ring without the technocrats censoring them. His App Store view seems to mirror his macro views… it’s all about control.

That said, I believe in free markets (a lot less regulation, not zero regulation) so Apple should be free to do as they wish with their products. If people really wanted 3rd party stores, and that was a huge deal, they’d be buying Android or another competitor would be giving Apple a run for their money by offering a smartphone with a dozen app stores. Clearly this isn’t an issue with most people. Let the markets choose the winners and losers.
 
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I’m confused. Why is Mr. Schiller crying like a baby if each and every app from a non-Apple source has to go through Apple’s review process anyway?
Well, one difference with the alternative app review process is that they can’t reject an app based purely on content. So Phil is afraid he might install a porn app by mistake.
 
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If Apple just allowed the Provenance EMU in the official App Store then I wouldn't even want an alternate App Store.
 
Security at 100% is just not possible
Agree - but they should focus on making a secure system.
Securing by reviewing hundreds of thousands of apps for a few minutes each is futile.
People will blame Apple for problems just as people blame Android and Windows. When in reality it is the app the person loaded
Honestly, my experience from Android and Windows is that people blame themselves or the apps they installed - but not the operating system or Microsoft.

security concerns when people do stuff in the browser. Someone should ask him privacy and security are such a concern why does Apple’s IAP only apply to digital goods? Why does Apple allow certain digital goods to bypass IAP and be purchased in the browser?
Not just in the browser - also in apps that have been reviewed as (supposedl) “trustworthy“ by Apple.

Honestly I’d have more respect for Apple execs if they just said “we built the platform; we have a right to monetize it and this is how we’ve chosen to do it”. Stop with the privacy and security BS.
Wholeheartedly agree. 👍🏻
 
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> "These new regulations, while they bring new options for developers, also bring new risks. There's no getting around that. So we're doing everything we can to minimize those risks for everyone," Schiller told me in a recent discussion about the privacy and security impact of the European Commission's Digital Markets Act.

But papi, I'm old enough (more than twice adult) and I can't take care of myself... It seems that Apple thinks their users are toddlers that should be locked up in bughouse lined with pillows to not harm themselves... 🤦‍♂️
 
I’m confused. Why is Mr. Schiller crying like a baby if each and every app from a non-Apple source has to go through Apple’s review process anyway? I guess unless your iphone is jailbroken it won’t even allow apps to be installed that are not approved by Apple. So, what’s the problem here?

He says what he's told to say

It's work that pays well, if one can get it.
 
Well, one difference with the alternative app review process is that they can’t reject an app based on content.

I saw that too and my first thought was..."we'll see"

Apple can come up with any number of black box undisclosed reasons to deny your App and I won't be surprised if they try to do that to certain types of Apps with "content" they don't like.
 
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Governments should stay out of business. Government does not know how to run government how can they possibly know how to run a complex business? The EU is sick with power and it’s hurting the people
The EU regulated interchange fees on consumer payment cards.
As a result, costs for merchants decreased and card acceptance increased greatly.

Great example of successful EU regulation 👌
You stop supporting the core
Apple ecosystem and you may not have a device to put the software on.
I support it by buying devices from Apple - and buying apps on their App Store, if I consider their offer attractive.
 


Starting with iOS 17.4, currently in beta, Apple is allowing alternative app marketplaces on the iPhone in the EU. Apple made this change to comply with new regulations under the EU's Digital Markets Act, which takes full effect next month.

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In an interview with Fast Company's Michael Grothaus published today, Apple's former marketing chief and current App Store head Phil Schiller said there are privacy and security risks associated with these alternative app marketplaces:One of these risks is the potential for users to download malicious or unsafe apps, although Apple will be notarizing all apps through a combination of automated processes and a basic human review in order to prevent these apps from being available on alternative app marketplaces as much as possible. Still, Apple has said notarization will not be as thorough as its App Store review process and guidelines that developers must adhere to.

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Another risk is that the App Store's strict rules surrounding objectionable content might not extend to alternative app marketplaces, according to Schiller:Schiller's comments reiterate many of the risks that Apple outlined on its website:The full interview can be read on Fast Company's website.

Article Link: Apple's Phil Schiller Discusses Risks of Alternative App Stores on iPhone
You can download apps from the internet on the mac. Have Apple executives ever made statements about how compromised the security on the mac is? No. But they made multiple ad campaigns saying there are no viruses on the mac.

It was never about security. It’s about being the only one with access to profit cuts, even at the expense of consumer choice. Apple makes money from selling you their own services and they want a 30% of all third party services too. They’re not going to pass on profit.
 
Minimise that by making App Store free of scam apps and predatory apps, as well as protecting genuine developer’s intellectual property. If App Store was good, why so many people complain about it endlessly and demand alternatives?
Yo dawg, I heard you like Weekly Subscriptions!
 
The true risk is loss of power and money. It's always disappointing to see an American (citizen, politician, corporation) turn royal and believe that they are greater than the people they serve.

Apple was once the underdog - idealistic, scrappy, hungry, innovative. The $700 Mac Pro Wheel Kit would've been an inside joke, not a serious product. And what now? The thought of young developers tinkering with their iPhone, developing new use cases for mature hardware, is downright frightening to the empire. What if someone comes up with a better idea than Apple's team? What if people think they can live without the App Store? What if Apple doesn't have total control over the most personal item in a person's life?

Apple only wants you to be as innovative as they will allow. Stay in your lane, give us your $1200 every 2 years, buy our authorized cables.

A simple switch to enable sideloading would've sufficed. Embracing the ones who "think different" would've been a dangerous but spirited move for a mature corporation who boasts of innovation. Instead, Apple is doubling down on a decision that history has already guaranteed they will lose. No king possesses his kingdom forever.
 
That is fine. Then don't blame Apple when your iPhone or iPad goes wonky and requires a complete reinstall of the OS.

Apple has protected their ecosystem for years to minimize problems for the users. Opening up the system to apps that have not been vetted by Apple is not a good idea. Think about Windows driver problems and user software. Or better yet, look at the problems with nefarious apps in the Android world.

This decision was made by government workers, technological clods, most of whom still have their VCR flashing 12:00.

I've been using my M1 MBA nearly ever day for about 3 years.

I have installed dozens, if not hundreds, of apps, tools, and extensions outside of the App Store. (Edit: thousands, I guess, if you wanted to count modules)

I have reinstalled the OS a total of zero times.
 
One would think Americans on this forum who are usually all about freedom would appreciate more freedom on their devices.
I’m not american, but I’m all about freedom (who wouldn’t), and obviously I’m against the DMA. An act that forces people to design products the way the EU likes is not freedom.

“Freedom” is not just letting everyone do what they want; breaking into someone else’s house is not freedom. Apple creates a product with a defined set of features and conditions; many customers gladly (or not) accept that and buy it, in a completely consensual deal. That’s freedom.
 
Seems to work fine on macOS.
It does work, but you really have to be careful and you have to understand the effect on your system of whatever you’re downloading on your Mac and trust the software vendor.
 
Governments should stay out of business. Government does not know how to run government how can they possibly know how to run a complex business? The EU is sick with power and it’s hurting the people. Millions of lightning cables in the trash how did that help anyone? Did they get a kickback on the new cables? Are the law makers going to be personably liable for the side loading of apps? Who’s going after telcos for sim swapping? Something that’s actually an issue? Please stop the Nigerian prince from haunting my emails and phone! Please EU do something responsible.
I agree, governments should stay out of business. Just in the US alone think of how much cheaper baby food would be without the FDA! Think of how much cheaper cars would be without pesky safety requirements from NHTSA! It boggles the mind that the government thinks we need protection from for-profit businesses. If they make unsafe products people will just stop using the products and the business will fail! Who cares how many people have to die for that to happen?

But seriously, we wouldn't need these regulations if Apple (and other companies) would just stop being jerks about it. You're already a $3T company, you don't need to be a $4T company. Relax the tiniest bit. Allow your profits to go up slightly less next quarter. And I don't think everyone just immediately threw away all of their old cables and the people who run governments can't be so inept that they are bad at running a business and so savvy that they're in cahoots with Big USB-C Cable at the same time.
 
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