they can support the right to repair... but they dont have to say what price a bricked phone will cost to fixBut Apple supports the right to repair
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Apple's Phil Schiller Discusses Risks of Alternative App Stores on iPhone
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99% of regular people will not choose another App Store because there is no need.
You nailed it... the loudest voices demanding this cannot show a legit reason to allow it. they only want to pirate games using emulators Apple wont allow in App Store.
ask them what app the NEED they cant get now
a phone is device. like a toaster or a tv.I’m still waiting Apple treat macOS like iOS. No terminal. No disk utility. No file system access. No third party app install. Where is their action to make macOS just as secure as iOS? But oh wait, that shiny expensive Vision Pro STILL rely on macOS to do certain diagnostics and repair?
it has a defined function. it "just works" from the box with minimal user interaction.
luckily you can extend functions by optionally installing apps. apps that are vetted.
99% of people are quite happy with this situation. only the noisy tech fiddlers are demanding it.
what are you going to install that you cant now? game emulators with illegal ROMs?
Hate to tell you this but you can install whatever you want on those. You may have already. Sending thoughts and prayers.
FTFY
And you are more than welcome to do so. No one is trying to compel you otherwise.
I don't know, I wouldn't mind a YouTube app that blocks ads. Or perhaps an app that offers better integration of iMessage and so on with Windows.
Bit of blanket statement. Everything is a negotiation at the end of the day e.g. you wouldn't pay $2000 for an iPhone (presumably).
As is your right.
I said nothing about installing apps. I was merely pointing out the error in the statement that I had not used a Mac.
Ok so they exist today, under Apple’s so called “secure” walled garden. Still, user need to “visit” the website no? I would be more terrified if a malicious payload can be downloaded onto iPhone iPad whatever just by virtue of user purchasing the device and connecting it to the internet to activate, before they even stat using it.
Ok if that is the case Apple should have less incentive to protect their revenue.
Yeah just continue to demonise “non-Apple approved” install as per Apple’s PR textbook.a phone is device. like a toaster or a tv.
it has a defined function. it "just works" from the box with minimal user interaction.
luckily you can extend functions by optionally installing apps. apps that are vetted.
99% of people are quite happy with this situation. only the noisy tech fiddlers are demanding it.
what are you going to install that you cant now? game emulators with illegal ROMs?
Yes, iPhones has a defined function of making phone calls, launching Safari (worst browser), and acting like iPod just like back in 2007. And people want iPhone to do more since. It feels more like its users fault to ask Apple to make iPhone more versatile.
As for your “99%”, mind you android is in the same situation, and they are very open from pretty much day 1. I therefore remain unconvinced of any argument regarding the refusal of opening up third party store in iOS other than it’s for protecting Apple’s revenue stream, which, last time I check their new system, would net them terrifyingly and disgustingly far more than what they collect today.
Zero-click iMessage zero-day used to hack the iPhones of 36 journalists
Malicious messages installed spyware that recorded audio and pics and stole passwords.
arstechnica.com
1) “I doubt”. One way not to doubt is to not allow it at all.
2) They’re not going to check content, obviously.
3) Once again, obviously parental control is not available for apps outside the App Store.
Maybe you think you won’t have real issues, but don’t force everyone else to design their phones under your assumptions.
Except that Apple doesn't get to tell me what toast I am allowed to buy for my toaster, and from where.a phone is device. like a toaster or a tv.
it has a defined function. it "just works" from the box with minimal user interaction.
luckily you can extend functions by optionally installing apps. apps that are vetted.
99% of people are quite happy with this situation. only the noisy tech fiddlers are demanding it.
what are you going to install that you cant now? game emulators with illegal ROMs?
And calling out security without showcasing the App Review is as valuable as putting a condom on a random finger.
I provided a link where a virus was delivered via iMessage, no visiting a website .
Zero-click iMessage zero-day used to hack the iPhones of 36 journalists
Malicious messages installed spyware that recorded audio and pics and stole passwords.
arstechnica.com
so you are happy for an app that blocks YouTubes way of generating income... hmmmm.
there are plenty of iMessage alternatives. most people use them already. iMessage is great for texts. it doesnt need to handle huge video files for most people...
the original posted nailed it. Most people arent demanding more than they currently have. they're happy.
and you arent restricted to buying using Apple. if you really want sideloadind apps then by a device that lets you. simple answer really. you have the option now. you dont need an Apple device to do it for you.
And I was pointing out, through a bit of sarcasm, your completely flawed take that freedom of app installation will result in loads of people borking their devices.
How many Macs are out there, over a decade old, running stuff that Apple never signed? With no issues?
Either the sandbox works or it doesn't. Apple is trying to tell you it does while taking actions suggesting that it a) actually doesn't or b) are simply greedy and monopolistic.
Given that old Macs are a dime a dozen, happily computing along, proves this whole "OMG ONLY INSTALL APPS THROUGH THE APP STORE OR YOU'LL DIE" crap totally wrong.
a phone is device. like a toaster or a tv.
it has a defined function. it "just works" from the box with minimal user interaction.
luckily you can extend functions by optionally installing apps. apps that are vetted.
99% of people are quite happy with this situation. only the noisy tech fiddlers are demanding it.
what are you going to install that you cant now? game emulators with illegal ROMs?
Have you conducted market research?
You are right, they have the option now. No need to buy an extra device and curse the planet.
have you looked at Smart TVs?
they upgrade software without your input.
they move things around and change functionality.
they wont all play media files you want to view...
i have seen first hand what a mess Android users created on our work network by installing apps. brought the email down for everyone for days. and IT upped the firewalling and caused drama installing legit apps needed for work.
there are legit security issues regardless of what you think by allowing any software on and it can affect other users who dont sideload.
"It just works" is absolutely not the case anymore. You can ask any Genius Bar employee after they end their shift, or casually sit next to the folks.
Have you read what I wrote? Where did I mention a smart tv? And please show me a smart tv with the market power of Apple's iPhone.
Your work network must be a joke then if apps can cause such harm.
Informal "market research": easy to see how much customisation people want... how often do you hear a non OS supplied ringtone? I supported a work phone app. never had anyone discuss App Store alternative. Or sideloading the app. to most people they are tools they just use.
it's a minority of people on here demanding Apple open the device.
and noisy devs who dont want to pay Apple.
Amazing how some people huff the Kool-Aid so hard that they actually want Apple to rip them off for repairs. It's pure Stockholm syndrome.
What apps do you NEED? I doubt there's any app you'd die without, unless your pacemaker needs app integration or something. But like everyone else, you probably want various apps.
Hello, 2003 called and wants its definition of a phone back. These days, a "phone" is widely acknowledged as being a handheld computer, almost certainly more powerful than your laptop from a few years ago, that happens to make the occasional phone call. And many people interact with them on a more than "minimal" basis.
Why don't you just move to China and have done with it?
You mean 99% of iPhone users? Perhaps, though you can't assume because people appreciate the various benefits of iOS that they love every aspect of it. And don't forget the 72% of the market use Android, in part due to the greater freedom to customise, install apps of their choosing etc.
Yes, that would be a nice start.
That’s a targeted message attack- not a random website one browses, as you appeared to imply.Zero-click iMessage zero-day used to hack the iPhones of 36 journalists
Malicious messages installed spyware that recorded audio and pics and stole passwords.