Apple's Phil Schiller: Facial Recognition Techniques in Competing Smartphones 'All Stink'

[Radon87000]

Information is available on apples website.

I read everything about wireless charging on iPhones. I am asking what's game changing in what Apple did.

That's a deflection and doesn't answer why spen is better.

The S Pen has multiple use cases in the life of someone who is not an artist. The Apple Pencil doesn't.

Still doesn't take away, that Sharp made the first leap toward bezeless design. Reducing a bezel says nothing. Sharp was there first and Samsung blatantly copied.

I don't see a bezelless phone anywhere. What I am seeing is Samsung was reducing bezels. Sharp came in and reduced bezels more and then left the market.

 

[I7guy]

Phil is a straight up liar.

It's one thing to say that your stuff is great or even the best. It's another to say that everything else is crap.

Phil can kiss my tailfin; unlocking my Note8 via the myriad of options available are quick, painless, and pretty frakkin' far from "stinky".

I'm getting really sick of Apple reps running their mouth spouting nonsense like this.

Why do you listen to them then, if they bother you so much?

Nobody asked for more than reducing bezels (but Apple just lamented for ≈ 4 years)
Replacing them with a notch that actually obstructs screen real estate, is inexcusably stupid.
Both from a UX (unnecessary complications/confusion without any purpose), UI perspective (all software to be adapted which doesn't serve a goal) and consistency perspective.
First grade students are being removed from Industrial Design colleges for doing so.
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And the notch in front of Phil's head must have the size of a railway sleeper.

Apple could have eliminated the notch and made the phone less ergonomic, sure. But they chose a unique trade off idea.
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I read everything about wireless charging on iPhones. I am asking what's game changing in what Apple did.

This information is on apples website, they can explain it better than me. More information is again, available on apples website or here. https://www.imore.com/wireless-charging-and-apple-everything-you-need-know

The S Pen has multiple use cases in the life of someone who is not an artist. The Apple Pencil doesn't.

You are not as up to speed as you think as to the capabilities of the apple pencil. https://www.apple.com/apple-pencil/

I don't see a bezelless phone anywhere. What I am seeing is Samsung was reducing bezels. Sharp came in and reduced bezels more and then left the market.

Sharp came in, started the trend, Samsung copied and then it's true Sharp left the market. However, copying bezelless phones is akin to copying narrow lapels. Have it at that your favorite vendor is a trend-setter.

 

[chucker23n1]

As soon as FaceID will work perfectly in every scenario, i will have the option to lock it from being used by other apps

Just disable camera access to those apps. They don’t get Face ID data. They get camera data if you let them.

 

[Bacillus]

Apple could have eliminated the notch and made the phone less ergonomic, sure. But they chose a unique trade off idea.

As for your comment alone, I am looking forward to The Protruding Notch. To restore front/back symmetry, as only Apple could do...

 

[I7guy]

As for your comment alone, I am looking forward to The Protruding Notch. To restore front/back symmetry, as only Apple could do...

As to your comment I’m looking forward to the note 8 exercise brick. Comes with its own crane to lift it.

 

[MH01]

Phil needs to worry about the products that he looks after, there is smell there .... they got rid of Scott And kept Phil, now that stinks

 

[Baymowe335]

Face recognition may stink on other phones. I don't know, I haven't tried them.

But what I don't like about the iPhone X is that the larger screen means I can't navigate it using one hand. Yes, I know I can bring down the user interface by swiping downward at the bottom edge, but it is not good enough. It stinks quite frankly, and is something Microsoft would do.

What we need is a user interface that is adapted for one hand navigation.

Take the Apple mail app. If I want to go back to the inbox, I need to touch Inbox in the upper left corner. It's cumbersome, even if I pull down the screen. Why could there not be a widget in the lower right corner (for right-handed people) where I could control all aspects. There could be a wheel I could spin to scroll and buttoms to go back or select a mail.

Same with apps, which can be hard to reach if they are on top of the screen.

What about a user interface where apps would arrive like a train (after each other) in the lower right corner, which I could spin. One-hand navigation could be activated by a 3D touch in the lower right area (or left for left-handed people).

Reachability is fantastic. You must have very tiny hands because the X is quite small.
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And the sad part watching Face ID lose in speed tests against the Note8 and OnePlus 5T is they also both have a fingerprint scanner on the back.

Face ID is still a tech designed for guinea pigs that want a new design and anniversary iPhone. Wait by 2019 when Apple makes it unlock faster. This was supposed to be the crowning feature of the X and it loses to a $500 Chinese phone.

In fairness, Apple is still way better than BlackBerry...

Move on, Kim. But iPhone features is becoming like a BlackBerry where Apple thinks old features is new and they aren't faster. So slow to adapt to changes like Nokia and RIM did circa 2007-2011.

Slower fast charging. Slower facial unlock. The only speed I see is people running out to buy it for $1000+.

Phil Schiller wins for dumbest comment of the year in tech.

FaceID is extremely fast, particularly after your face is learned over a few days.

FaceID can’t be compared to other facial unlock techniques because those found on Samsung phones are not on the same planet for security. Hence why no Samsung Pay with facial recognition.

 

[elmaco]

Reachability is fantastic. You must have very tiny hands because the X is quite small.

I doubt there are many people who can reach both the upper left corner and bottom edge (for home swiping) with their thumb on an iPhone X.

 

[I7guy]

Phil needs to worry about the products that he looks after, there is smell there .... they got rid of Scott And kept Phil, now that stinks

According to Phil it doesn’t stink; not in the least.

 

[chucker23n1]

Reachability is fantastic. You must have very tiny hands because the X is quite small.

Reachability is, at best, a hack. I have fairly large hands and cannot use an 8 one-handed, much less a X. No problem with the 5S.

 

[Baymowe335]

I doubt there are many people who can reach both the upper left corner and bottom edge (for home swiping) with their thumb on an iPhone X.

If you can’t, use reachability. Or get an iPhone SE.
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Reachability is, at best, a hack. I have fairly large hands and cannot use an 8 one-handed, much less a X. No problem with the 5S.

How is it a hack? Works perfectly and you have small hands if you can’t use an 8 one handed.

 

[chucker23n1]

If you can’t, use reachability. Or get an iPhone SE.
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How is it a hack? Works perfectly and you have small hands if you can’t use an 8 one handed.

Do you know even a single person who can, without Reachability, reach the top and bottom with their thumb?

 

[Baymowe335]

Do you know even a single person who can, without Reachability, reach the top and bottom with their thumb?

Me. But there is reachability. I’m 6’4 so I know I’m not the normal size.

 

[partydorm]

Salesman stinks.

 

[elmaco]

How is it a hack? .

You have to pull down the GUI repeatedly. It sucks. It's as frustrating as navigating a mouse pointer with cursor keys.

There should be a dedicated GUI at the bottom. Previously we had the home button, so it was hard to do something about it, but now that it is gone, and there are already various swipe gesture you can use at the bottom of the screen, it's time to take the next step. It could be activated with 3D Touch.

 

[Baymowe335]

You have to pull down the GUI repeatedly. It sucks. It's as frustrating as navigating a mouse pointer with cursor keys.

There should be a dedicated GUI at the bottom. Previously we had the home button, so it was hard to do something about it, but now that it is gone, and there are already various swipe gesture you can use at the bottom of the screen, it's time to take the next step. It could be activated with 3D Touch.

Sounds like user error.

 

[gavroche]

Agree, I get a lot more failed unlocks compared to Touch ID. And it’s a bit annoying that it’s not usable in landscape mode. In terms of usability not an improvement over a Touch ID at all.

For you. You should clarify that its your opinion. Many disagree with you and prefer Face ID.

 

[gaximus]

... and once the phone is unlocked, how do you navigate round a touch screen with gloves on?.. exactly.

I have capacitive enabled gloves. It's really hard to buy a pair now a days with out it.

https://www.amazon.com/Timberland-M...=1512961003&sr=8-6&keywords=Capacitive+gloves

 

[DeepIn2U]

I agree. FaceID issues aside (and I have some serious issues with it), I love/hate the new display size. It's great for reading/observing/whatever, but for navigation, it really has changed how I use the phone. A lot of things that worked on earlier non-Plus phones need two hands now, and I have very large hands.

I’m curious as to what features that worked one-handed on previous non-Plus iPhone models now require two hands on the X?

I ask cause I’m considering an upgrade.

 

[44267547]

Apple might be "richer" now. But that doesn't mean they are any "better" in innovation.

One thing is for certain, when I read the word "Innovation" on a tech forum, is the one term that is completely misused, inappropriately applied and taken out of context over any other word on here. In your case, you Fall in this catergory of someone that severely undermines what Innovation actually means. I also understand that some conflate the term Innovation because they don't like the changes Apple has made, therefore, they (You included) disparage against Apple in anyway they can.

To break it down:

Not everything Apple does has to have the term Innovation applied behind it. They don't have to re-create something in order to make it different, they want to make the product better.

 

[nick42983]

Agree, I get a lot more failed unlocks compared to Touch ID. And it’s a bit annoying that it’s not usable in landscape mode. In terms of usability not an improvement over a Touch ID at all.

That's a pretty extreme assertion. Face ID is just as fast as Touch ID, just swipe up as you're looking at the screen, it's that fast. Also no problems with wet/dirty/gloved fingers, not to mention the extra screen real estate we get by removing the home button, the software will also be improved with time making it even better. Also, instead of trying to use Face ID again after a failed attempt, enter your passcode, Face ID will incorporate that data into future uses: http://bgr.com/2017/11/13/face-id-iphone-x-security-tips-tricks/

 

[sinoka56]

Your racist bias is only in your mind and does not affect a computer.

How is that racist ? I'm only telling that a lot of Asians look alike.

p.s. I'm Asian

 

[ChrisCW11]

Meh, same sentiment with Touch ID until the entire industry came out with comparable (and often better implemented) touch ID systems, that most people still prefer to use today even if their phone has face id.

Apple is going hard trying to convince the masses that facial ID is what everybody wants to use in the future, yet I think the verdict is still out, including whether this is as secure as Apple claims it to be. I would hold off on the bragging rights for a few quarters yet to see if the masses actually embrace and prefer to use facial id in ALL situations.

 

[cliffster82]

Nobody asked for more than reducing bezels (but Apple just lamented for ≈ 4 years)
Replacing them with a notch that actually obstructs screen real estate, is inexcusably stupid.
Both from a UX (unnecessary complications/confusion without any purpose), UI perspective (all software to be adapted which doesn't serve a goal) and consistency perspective.
First grade students are being removed from Industrial Design colleges for doing so.
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And the notch in front of Phil's head must have the size of a railway sleeper.

Haha. They did it on purpose though, that notch is 100% Apple. They could have made a black bezel spanning the width of the phone, but then it would look like other handsets on the market. They packed the tech in the notch and released something that looks different. I get it. Even if it is weird at first. The notch is the new home button (in terms of branding). Awkwardness be dam*ed.

 

[newellj]

I’m curious as to what features that worked one-handed on previous non-Plus iPhone models now require two hands on the X?

I ask cause I’m considering an upgrade.

My principal complaints have been notifications (now requires downswipe from upper LH corner) and control center (downswipe from upper RH corner), aggravated by the fact that I have found Reachability sort of fiddly to invoke. I should add, though, that after three weeks I may be getting used to this. I had to check on family in NYC this morning while walking to work and was able to access everything one-handed (using Reachability). So it's possibly a case of old dogs learning new tricks...