Apple's Phil Schiller: Facial Recognition Techniques in Competing Smartphones 'All Stink'

[Radon87000]

Was discussed on front page article.

There is nothing mentioned about wireless charging on the first page

How is the spen better?

I am not an artist.

Can you show the forum where Samsung started the trend? Sharp actually started it. Samsung shamelessly copied the trend.

If Samsung or Sharp or anyone for that matter had made a bezelless Phone you would’ve had a point. None of the current phones or any phone till this point is truly bezelless. Before 2012 Samsung was reducing the bezels on their phones. Sharp reduced the bezels more than Smasung. That’s all that happened.

 

[DeepIn2U]

While I would love to be able to use it in landscape, I think there are times when Touch ID isn't as usable as Face ID. Specifically cold weather when I'm wearing gloves, I love Face ID for that. I might change my mind when spring gets here, but for now Face ID is much more convenient.

Touch ID seems to never work with any moisture on your fingers/thumbs.

Think Different is what MS did with the Surface Studio. Perhaps not implemented perfectly, but certainly more courage than simply rolling a more powerful iMac (Pro) in Space Grey.

I still recall Jobs unveiling of the G4 iMac. They didn't have to given the popularity and success of the G3 iMacs, but they challenged themselves to do better. I feel today's Apple is less apt to try new bold directions, but rather play safe with boring incremental updates to decades old designs.

Those G3 iMacs were already 3 yrs old and horribly boring by the time the Sunflower iMac G4 was launched.

 

[I7guy]

There is nothing mentioned about wireless charging on the first page

Information is available on apples website.

I am not an artist.

That's a deflection and doesn't answer why spen is better.

If Samsung or Sharp or anyone for that matter had made a bezelless Phone you would’ve had a point. None of the current phones or any phone till this point is truly bezelless. Before 2012 Samsung was reducing the bezels on their phones. Sharp reduced the bezels more than Smasung. That’s all that happened.

Still doesn't take away, that Sharp made the first leap toward bezeless design. Reducing a bezel says nothing. Sharp was there first and Samsung blatantly copied.

 

[kstotlani]

Just curious, but isn't this kind of like saying TouchID sucks when you put a piece of tape over 1/2 of your fingerprint and then try to scan it?

Not sure if you still own a phone with Touch ID but the scary part is that it works. Place your finger on the Touch ID halfway and it will unlock.

 

[satchmo]

Those G3 iMacs were already 3 yrs old and horribly boring by the time the Sunflower iMac G4 was launched.

The point is they did something about it...unlike the current Apple.

 

[fourthtunz]

FaceID sucks when you are in bed and part of the pillow hides your face. Overall, I still think the X is the best phone I've ever owned. This really needs to be address though.

It is a very common use case. It is very easy for a human to still identify someone in the same situation. We should demand better.

Yeah it should be able to identify us behind a brick wall with an astronaut suit on

 

[I7guy]

Not sure if you still own a phone with Touch ID but the scary part is that it works. Place your finger on the Touch ID halfway and it will unlock.

Except when your fingers are cold or dirty. Each tech has its limitations.

 

[chucker23n1]

Phil is a marketing chief now. Thank God he isn't actually in charge of software development/engineering.

As a "marketing chief" I'm perfectly ok with Phil making exagerrated braggadocio comments…. because that's exactly what his role is: he is the company's chief Minister of Propaganda. He is simply doing his job. If he didn't do it, then Apple would hire someone else to do it (the corporate propaganda).

I think you're confusing sales and marketing. Phil's org has significant input on which products get out the door at all, which features are important and which ones don't make the cut, what pricing looks like, etc. Sales and advertising are only part of that.

Just make sure that he is nowhere near the software and hardware engineers and their team managers.

Without a (good) marketing guy, engineers will end up with products nobody asked for, wants to use, understands, or benefits from.

 

[Dominicanyor]

Does anybody know what wallpaper is on the iPhone on this article?

 

[newellj]

Except when your fingers are cold or dirty. Each tech has its limitations.

I haven't read this whole thread, but this post clearly is true.

As far as getting a good ID when your face is half-covered with a pillow, c'mon.

On the other hand, in normal daily use I find that too often I have to move the phone around - change the distance or change the angle - to get a good ID. TouchID never made me do that. My success rate with TouchID was basically 100%. With FaceID I'm probably around 60% the first time. This has got me asking who's working for who - the phone for me, or me for the phone? The answer seems to be that I'm working for the phone, which is the wrong answer for me. I really love the phone, but after three weeks I'm getting close to ready to return it (under the holiday return policy).

 

[Solomani]

Does anybody know what wallpaper is on the iPhone on this article?

It does look nice, doesn't it? Like a Picasso rainbow. But without weird faces.

I'd also like to know.

 

[Tech198]

lol.. They all stink !..

 

[newellj]

lol.. They all stink !..

If you read in the iPhone forum right now, you'd get the impression that FaceID doesn't work, and TouchID doesn't work, either, and of course the Android versions don't work and aren't even plausibly secure...so we're left going back to passcodes?

Maybe they all stink, except that they're better than the alternative.

 

[elmaco]

Face recognition may stink on other phones. I don't know, I haven't tried them.

But what I don't like about the iPhone X is that the larger screen means I can't navigate it using one hand. Yes, I know I can bring down the user interface by swiping downward at the bottom edge, but it is not good enough. It stinks quite frankly, and is something Microsoft would do.

What we need is a user interface that is adapted for one hand navigation.

Take the Apple mail app. If I want to go back to the inbox, I need to touch Inbox in the upper left corner. It's cumbersome, even if I pull down the screen. Why could there not be a widget in the lower right corner (for right-handed people) where I could control all aspects. There could be a wheel I could spin to scroll and buttoms to go back or select a mail.

Same with apps, which can be hard to reach if they are on top of the screen.

What about a user interface where apps would arrive like a train (after each other) in the lower right corner, which I could spin. One-hand navigation could be activated by a 3D touch in the lower right area (or left for left-handed people).

 

[Cbmarsh25]

Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller recently sat down with Dutch website Bright.nl, where he covered topics like Face ID and augmented reality, which he's discussed several times in interviews over the past few months.

According to Schiller, one of Apple's goals with Face ID is to make security easy enough "that we all want to do it." Apple believes its implementation of Face ID is superior to the facial recognition techniques available in Android phones, which Schiller says "all stink."

Schiller reiterated Apple's Face ID privacy policies, pointing out that developers have no third-party access to Face ID data. As with Touch ID, the facial scan and data points used to unlock your iPhone are stored in the Secure Enclave on the iPhone X. Developers do have access to facial map data through the TrueDepth camera for AR effects, but Schiller says "that's different than Face ID."

According to Schiller, Apple spent a lot of time studying augmented and virtual reality and the ultimate benefit to users. Schiller, like Apple CEO Tim Cook, says VR is a "great solution for specific use cases" while AR has "incredible broad mainstream applications."

Schiller also had a little bit to say about the HomePod delay. HomePod was originally set to launch in December, but in November, Apple said it would be delayed until 2018. "We feel bad we aren't able to deliver HomePod for the holidays," said Schiller. "We're going to take the time to do it right and make sure it's great when it comes out."

Bright.nl asked Schiller if Apple's "Think Different" motto still applies to Apple today, and Schiller took the opportunity to highlight the AirPods, which are a product that have been lauded as one of Apple's best.Phil Schiller's interview, which goes into more detail on Face ID and HomePod and delves deeper into Apple's core philosophies, can be read in its entirety over at Bright.nl.

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[DeepIn2U]

The point is they did something about it...unlike the current Apple.

True ... but to be honest ... how would YOU design or re-design the iMac? As an All in One Desktop or wall-mounted computer how would YOU design the iMac?

I personally feel it's at it's pinnacle of refinement! I Think a completely new take on the iMac will occur within 16mths after the iPac (iMac Pro) goes on sale.

Should Apple get their perverbial heads out of their arses and push iOS to further evolve into a more complete computing platform or possiby merge both MacOS with iOS (at least the iPad). I agree the iMac needs to evolve or clear the way for a new king to their computing grace!

 

[melendezest]

Phil is a straight up liar.

It's one thing to say that your stuff is great or even the best. It's another to say that everything else is crap.

Phil can kiss my tailfin; unlocking my Note8 via the myriad of options available are quick, painless, and pretty frakkin' far from "stinky".

I'm getting really sick of Apple reps running their mouth spouting nonsense like this.

 

[Skoal]

I mean, yeah. There are far less ways to place your finger on a button than there ways for you to hold your phone (or not hold it) in front of your face.

Face ID is very accurate, but there are several factors which may require you to type in your passcode multiple times a day.

So far I’ve only had to use the passcode 1-2 times every 5 or 6 days. It’s been really good for me at this point. Having to use the passcode does happen though.

 

[Bacillus]

If Samsung or Sharp or anyone for that matter had made a bezelless Phone you would’ve had a point. None of the current phones or any phone till this point is truly bezelless. Before 2012 Samsung was reducing the bezels on their phones. Sharp reduced the bezels more than Smasung. That’s all that happened.

Nobody asked for more than reducing bezels (but Apple just lamented for ≈ 4 years)
Replacing them with a notch that actually obstructs screen real estate, is inexcusably stupid.
Both from a UX (unnecessary complications/confusion without any purpose), UI perspective (all software to be adapted which doesn't serve a goal) and consistency perspective.
First grade students are being removed from Industrial Design colleges for doing so.
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Phil is the goat. And it takes courage to say it.

And the notch in front of Phil's head must have the size of a railway sleeper.

 

[The Game 161]

Face ID is a lot better than the comp yes but all are making good progress.

 

[newellj]

Face recognition may stink on other phones. I don't know, I haven't tried them.

But what I don't like about the iPhone X is that the larger screen means I can't navigate it using one hand. Yes, I know I can bring down the user interface by swiping downward at the bottom edge, but it is not good enough. It stinks quite frankly, and is something Microsoft would do.

What we need is a user interface that is adapted for one hand navigation.

Take the Apple mail app. If I want to go back to the inbox, I need to touch Inbox in the upper left corner. It's cumbersome, even if I pull down the screen. Why could there not be a widget in the lower right corner (for right-handed people) where I could control all aspects. There could be a wheel I could spin to scroll and buttoms to go back or select a mail.

Same with apps, which can be hard to reach if they are on top of the screen.

What about a user interface where apps would arrive like a train (after each other) in the lower right corner, which I could spin. One-hand navigation could be activated by a 3D touch in the lower right area (or left for left-handed people).

I agree. FaceID issues aside (and I have some serious issues with it), I love/hate the new display size. It's great for reading/observing/whatever, but for navigation, it really has changed how I use the phone. A lot of things that worked on earlier non-Plus phones need two hands now, and I have very large hands.

 

[geta]

For the time being i'll continue using the TouchID because its just working all the time without the need to picking it up and looking on it at a certain angle. Down the road, once FaceID will work smoothly everywhere and in every situation i'll try it again.

Hopefully by the time they'll make small X version, the FaceID will work smoothly... and how knows, maybe they'll bring back in the future the TouchID under the screen when this tech will be ready.

 

[Baymowe335]

Sure Face ID can get faster but I wonder how will they solve the problem where similar looking people can unlock it.

With a lot of people in asia looking the same.

Your racist bias is only in your mind and does not affect a computer.
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For the time being i'll continue using the TouchID because its just working all the time without the need to picking it up and looking on it at a certain angle. Down the road, once FaceID will work smoothly everywhere and in every situation i'll try it again.

Hopefully by the time they'll make small X version, the FaceID will work smoothly... and how knows, maybe they'll bring back in the future the TouchID under the screen when this tech will be ready.

TouchID is never coming back in any form.

 

[geta]

TouchID is never coming back in any form.

As soon as FaceID will work perfectly in every scenario, i will have the option to lock it from being used by other apps and it will come in a smaller version - i'll give it a try. Till then i'll continue using iPhones with TouchID (they'll keep iP7 & 8 around for anther couple of years, hopefully).

 

[newyorksole]

So far I’ve only had to use the passcode 1-2 times every 5 or 6 days. It’s been really good for me at this point. Having to use the passcode does happen though.

It happens a little more frequently with me, but it’s because I try odd angles Lol.