Apple's Phil Schiller: Facial Recognition Techniques in Competing Smartphones 'All Stink'

[falainber]

No, that’s not what he said at all. Nothing about Qi not being “truly wireless” because of course, it is truly wireless.

He said “wireless charging systems still have to be plugged into the wall, so it’s not clear how much convenience they add.... Having to create another device you have to plug into the wall is actually, for most situations, more complicated.”

Completely accurate in 2012. Fast forward five years, and with three (soon) wireless devices, it’s now quite clear exactly how much convenience wireless charging adds to the Apple ecosystem.

You’ll only have to deal with a charging cable once—when you plug in Apple’s mat right after your purchase. From then on, you don’t have to worry about plugging in anything, saving yourself the hassle thousands of times over the next few years. Just put your phone, watch and AirPod case on the mat before you go to bed. Now that's convenience

If we were still talking about just the phone, as he was in 2012, people would still be wondering whether having to put your phone down in a certain spot on a mat is really any more convenient than having to plug it in in a certain spot with a cable.

But Apple’s created a wireless ecosystem that guarantees a very high degree of user convenience. Truly wireless charging with Apple’s mat will be a great experience. And yes, you’ll have to plug the mat into a power source. So you’ll still have to touch a cable every few years.

Nonsense. Most people have just an iPhone and nothing else. And the wireless charging in iPhone is exactly the same (slower than some other phones though) as for other phones.
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They have to start somehere. FaceID will only get better as time go on. Maybe V2 next year.

They could have started in there lab and not deprive people of better options. In the very least they could have put both options on the phone. Samsung offers three options: face, iris, touch.

 

[thadoggfather]

“‘Can’t innovate anymore’ my FaceID”

 

[B4U]

Agree, I get a lot more failed unlocks compared to Touch ID. And it’s a bit annoying that it’s not usable in landscape mode. In terms of usability not an improvement over a Touch ID at all.

I do get more failed unlocks with Touch ID than Face ID, but that is due to my sweaty fingers.
On the other hand, it is indeed annoying that the Face ID cannot be used in landscape mode. Other people looking at me funny when I tilt the head to unlock the phone.

 

[sinoka56]

Sure Face ID can get faster but I wonder how will they solve the problem where similar looking people can unlock it.

With a lot of people in asia looking the same.

 

[KingslayerG5]

And the sad part watching Face ID lose in speed tests against the Note8 and OnePlus 5T is they also both have a fingerprint scanner on the back.

Face ID is still a tech designed for guinea pigs that want a new design and anniversary iPhone. Wait by 2019 when Apple makes it unlock faster. This was supposed to be the crowning feature of the X and it loses to a $500 Chinese phone.

In fairness, Apple is still way better than BlackBerry...

Move on, Kim. But iPhone features is becoming like a BlackBerry where Apple thinks old features is new and they aren't faster. So slow to adapt to changes like Nokia and RIM did circa 2007-2011.

Slower fast charging. Slower facial unlock. The only speed I see is people running out to buy it for $1000+.

Phil Schiller wins for dumbest comment of the year in tech.

 

[jumpman5678]

Nice for you, but not for all others. You're no reference. I use my iPhone 7 Plus many times in landscape mode, especially with Safari tab bar or in the mail app.

Many smart users use the camera in landscape mode. But ok, there so many videos in portrait mode...

Using your phone for pictures, videos, and mail in landscape mode is different than using it just from the home screen smart one. I’ll borrow a line from you, good for you, but not for all others lol

 

[Cosmosent]

More than ten years ago, top auto manufacturers like Porsche & BMW migrated away from Hydraulic-assist power steering to Electric-assist power steering ... and to this day, more than a decade later, they still haven't been able to offer a solution anywhere close to "the Feedback" that Hydraulic-assist power steering offered !

That was the BIG screw-up in the auto industry that ONLY the most-knowledgeable really know about ... let's call it the top 5% or so.

Apple's decision to migrate away from Touch ID and to Face ID will go down in history as being very similar ... it will just take time, for most to realize it.

Too many people blindly trust Apple ... but those in the know, know better !

Plus, the Avg Intelligence is lower today, than it was ten years ago.

Tim Cook & Phil Schiller will tout the company line, regardless as to whether it makes any common sense or NOT !

 

[I7guy]

More than ten years ago, top auto manufacturers like Porsche & BMW migrated away from Hydraulic-assist power steering to Electric-assist power steering ... and to this day, more than a decade later, they still haven't been able to offer a solution anywhere close to "the Feedback" that Hydraulic-assist power steering offered !

That was the BIG screw-up in the auto industry that ONLY the most-knowledgeable really know about ... let's call it the top 5% or so.

Apple's decision to migrate away from Touch ID and to Face ID will go down in history as being very similar ... it will just take time, for most to realize it.

Too many people blindly trust Apple ... but those in the know, know better !

Plus, the Avg Intelligence is lower today, than it was ten years ago.

Tim Cook & Phil Schiller will tout the company line, regardless as to whether it makes any common sense or NOT !

Electric steering offers more flexibility than hydraulic (and more personalization )with respect to lane departure, isolation, and the like. So maybe this was a bad analogy. I’m glad you’re in the know and seemingly smarter than the rest of us.

 

[Michael Goff]

And the sad part watching Face ID lose in speed tests against the Note8 and OnePlus 5T is they also both have a fingerprint scanner on the back.

Face ID is still a tech designed for guinea pigs that want a new design and anniversary iPhone. Wait by 2019 when Apple makes it unlock faster. This was supposed to be the crowning feature of the X and it loses to a $500 Chinese phone.

In fairness, Apple is still way better than BlackBerry...

Move on, Kim. But iPhone features is becoming like a BlackBerry where Apple thinks old features is new and they aren't faster. So slow to adapt to changes like Nokia and RIM did circa 2007-2011.

Slower fast charging. Slower facial unlock. The only speed I see is people running out to buy it for $1000+.

Phil Schiller wins for dumbest comment of the year in tech.

Man, you sure are obsessed with speed and seem to give no craps about things like how secure the tech is.

 

[cote32mt]

Oh my god. I thought it was just me.

Who would have thought a 1/2 FaceID would have become the metric? But maybe it should be.

 

[Jimmy James]

Agree, I get a lot more failed unlocks compared to Touch ID. And it’s a bit annoying that it’s not usable in landscape mode. In terms of usability not an improvement over a Touch ID at all.

It doesn't work in landscape? I spend a fair bit of time watching videos while my phone is on a stand. Sometimes I need to step away and turn it on again. This would be annoying.

 

[shpankey]

[QUOTE="JulesK, post: 25574379, member: 1) I still need to get used to looking at the phone to unlock, which probably would eliminate 50% of the failures. Face ID also doesn't work for me when I've raised my glasses to my forehead (it's an age thing); works fine with glasses on or glass off. But compared to the initial implementation of Touch ID for me, this is great.[/QUOTE]

You can turn off the need to look at it in the options

 

[newyorksole]

Yes I'm experiencing the same.
I find myself typing the passcodes way more often than when using Touch ID.

I mean, yeah. There are far less ways to place your finger on a button than there ways for you to hold your phone (or not hold it) in front of your face.

Face ID is very accurate, but there are several factors which may require you to type in your passcode multiple times a day.

 

[KingslayerG5]

I believe Schiller is assuming Android biometric security from last year because the Note7 wasn't as quick and felt clunky compared to the Note8's.

 

[Solomani]

Queue up the battle between the Apple can do no wrong crowd, the Apple does everything wrong crowd, and people like me in between who get accused by people in crowds 1 and 2 of being in "the other" crowd.

There is no room for moderates in this world. You are either on THAT SIDE or THIS SIDE.

 

[Michael Goff]

I believe Schiller is assuming Android biometric security from last year because the Note7 wasn't as quick and felt clunky compared to the Note8's.

Why even post the first video when this thread is about facial recognition? You keep bringing up Iris Scanning. Not the same thing. Why not bring up how twins can fool the Android face recognition?

 

[fokmik]

I believe Schiller is assuming Android biometric security from last year because the Note7 wasn't as quick and felt clunky compared to the Note8's.

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[szw-mapple fan]

Well iOS 11 stinks, too Phil.

iOS 11 has been my favorite release so far, mostly because of the iPad features. The .0 release was half baked for iPhone, but my 6s has been running at iOS 10.3 fluidness ever since the .2 update.

 

[Superrjamz54]

Filip Koroy (EverythingApplePro) who has more iPhones than my local Apple Store posted two videos that showed that 5T and Note8 biometric scanners are faster than Face ID. And he leaked iPhone X for months.

Lewis Hilsenteger (Unbox Therapy) even stated he prefers the 5T's direct to the homescreen over that added step that iPhone X requires. If they all stink Phil when they have shown to be faster to unlock, then Face ID stinks worse like a rotting dead rat which smells worse than skunk.

Fast and less secure. That’s Androids motto. It sucks when face scanning can’t be used at all for the more,secure features like Googlemzpau/Samsung pay. You need fingerprint scanning. Those YouTubers aren’t t unicameral.ly qualified to no the difference and neither are you. Apples,is,much more secure.

 

[Bacillus]

Phil is a marketing chief now. Thank God he isn't actually in charge of software development/engineering.

As a "marketing chief" I'm perfectly ok with Phil making exagerrated braggadocio comments…. because that's exactly what his role is: he is the company's chief Minister of Propaganda. He is simply doing his job. If he didn't do it, then Apple would hire someone else to do it (the corporate propaganda).

Just make sure that he is nowhere near the software and hardware engineers and their team managers.

It's that "If it stinks, it can't innovate my ass" level of contribution that even 6 year olds have come to despise. How disconnected can you be ?
Phil seems ignorant to the fact that FaceID is the greatest solution for a problem that never existed in the first place. If spreading FUD around Android prevails over improving their own quality, let him do it. Sad guy.
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I don’t understand why people have a hard time with FaceID. When you set Face ID up did you do it outside or a room with plenty of light?

Why would you ? It doesn't use the visible spectrum.

 

[KingslayerG5]

Phil Schiller, the same guy that Samsung drove crazy. Probably still did in that "Growing Up" ad which shows on IFC every commercial break.

Samsung's "Next Big Thing" advertising campaign, which frequently cracked fun at people standing in line outside of Apple stores for product launches, drove Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller crazy.

Quinn says Schiller became "obsessed" with the campaign, writing CEO Tim Cook to suggest the company look into using another ad agency instead of its mainstay TBWA\CHIAT\DAY.

Now all Apple does is follow Samsung's footsteps. The irony.

Bigger Screen = Better = More $$$$
S-Pen = Apple Pencil

OLED, wireless/fast charging, water/dust resistance, Samsung had years prior.

Apple might be "richer" now. But that doesn't mean they are any "better" in innovation. The X represents compromise over choice.

 

[I7guy]

Phil Schiller, the same guy that Samsung drove crazy. Probably still did in that "Growing Up" ad which shows on IFC every commercial break.

Now all Apple does is follow Samsung's footsteps. The irony.

Bigger Screen = Better = More $$$$
S-Pen = Apple Pencil

OLED, wireless/fast charging, water/dust resistance, Samsung had years prior.

Apple might be "richer" now. But that doesn't mean they are any "better" in innovation. The X represents compromise over choice.

Have you noticed all phones have cell chips, WiFi chips, motion sensors? Smart watches have leds to measure heart rate. Many cars have remote start, led headlights. But there is a vast difference in performance and styling among cars with led headlights. See where this going?

apple pencil is better than spen. Apple extensions to qi standard better than standard implementation. Using Samsung as a “benchmark”, which has shamelessly copied the bezeless design from sharp is ironic.

 

[Radon87000]

Have you noticed all phones have cell chips, WiFi chips, motion sensors? Smart watches have leds to measure heart rate. Many cars have remote start, led headlights. But there is a vast difference in performance and styling among cars with led headlights. See where this going?

apple pencil is better than spen. Apple extensions to qi standard better than standard implementation. Using Samsung as a “benchmark”, which has shamelessly copied the bezeless design from sharp is ironic.

What's new in Apple's implementation of wireless charging?

And how is the Apple Pencil better than s Pen?
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Have you noticed all phones have cell chips, WiFi chips, motion sensors? Smart watches have leds to measure heart rate. Many cars have remote start, led headlights. But there is a vast difference in performance and styling among cars with led headlights. See where this going?

apple pencil is better than spen. Apple extensions to qi standard better than standard implementation. Using Samsung as a “benchmark”, which has shamelessly copied the bezeless design from sharp is ironic.

Sharp's phone wasn't bezelless. Samsung was reducing bezels long before Sharp came out with Aquos.

 

[I7guy]

What's new in Apple's implementation of wireless charging?

Was discussed on front page article.

And how is the Apple Pencil better than s Pen?

How is the spen better? Since that was the original “assertion” made.

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Sharp's phone wasn't bezelless. Samsung was reducing bezels long before Sharp came out with Aquos.

Can you show the forum where Samsung started the trend? Sharp actually started it. Samsung shamelessly copied the trend.

it’s right on topic that bezels are being discussed in a thread about facial recognition.

 

[Solomani]

Phil Schiller, the same guy that Samsung drove crazy. Probably still did in that "Growing Up" ad which shows on IFC every commercial break.

Now all Apple does is follow Samsung's footsteps. The irony.

Bigger Screen = Better = More $$$$
S-Pen = Apple Pencil

OLED, wireless/fast charging, water/dust resistance, Samsung had years prior.

Apple might be "richer" now. But that doesn't mean they are any "better" in innovation. The X represents compromise over choice.

Apple doesn't have to be "first". They just do it "better".