Yes but there is a difference because there are only 2 choices in the mobile space
Hence why they can play hard ball with the 30% iap charge because they know the developer has basically 1 other option in regards to mobile apps
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Hence why they can play hard ball with the 30% iap charge because they know the developer has basically 1 other option in regards to mobile apps
Actually, the point is Apple's App Store is the only game in town (outside the EU) for iOS apps.
iOS is one of only two major mobile operating systems (has the largest share in countries like the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, etc.) and the App Store is the only game in town (except in EU) for iOS apps. As such, Apple prevents market forces from being able to work their magic here.
It’s not about the only game in town, it’s about distribution of a service of which the iOS App Store is not the only game in town.
In the US iPhone has about 50%. That’s not the largest share by your metric, operating system. And world wide it’s not even close.
I feel like this topic has already been discussed. But oh well.
There are still other avenues. For example the Wall Street journal has multiple distribution options. Amazon has multiple distribution options. Apple is not limiting Amazon in any way.
Good. Netflix and Spotify sent a message. Citation for Apple begging Netflix.
People like me defend market forces not Apple. But if that is your narrow view then so be it.
Nah mate you just defend Apple regardless & the business model like 30% iap even if it’s wrong in some regards.
My point was that if Apple isn't greedy, there can be no greedy companies. Objectively that's what their financials tell you. If Apple had a midrange profit margin, calling them greedy could be considered subjective, but once you go to the extreme end of the margins spectrum it becomes less subjective and more objective until you get to the company anchoring that range: Apple. Count yourself as part of the people in denial of this, that's what your pretending that a $3 trillion company is no different any other company trying to maximize their returns represents.
I was clearly talking about iOS distribution/stores and Apple’s App Store is indeed the only game in town except in the EU.
According to Statcounter, iOS currently has around 58% share in the U.S. On top of that, Apple's App Store revenue share of the mobile app store market is even more significant. Even globally, data shows Apple's App Store has the largest mobile app store revenue.
So, yes....largest mobile OS share and largest mobile app store revenue.
Apples financials tell one they charge a market rate for their services that they believe is the right rate for them.
Those who have cognitive dissonance about this are the ones in denial.
I can other sources that say differently. So if this becomes a whose citation is better it’s becomes ridiculous to discuss. And it’s wholly possible your source is off by a goodly amount as well.
But WSJ is.
So my defending Apple and you criticizing Apple regardless is the right way to hold a discussion I guess. You believe 30% is wrong and I believe it’s seems like a small fee to pay for everything a dev gets.
Yup we’re worlds apart.
Yeah we are worlds apart because developers have legitimate complaints about the 30% IAP. No it’s fundamentally not because if you have a successful app then apple where making about $256 million in 2018 from Netflix for ultimately just processing a fee
& that’s not right regardless of how you look at it.
No dev has to use Apple if that’s where you are coming from. Devs opt-in for $99. If you think it’s not right, then I would like to see real competition by inventing a platform and growing from there. What the EU was ludicrous and it’s beyond me how anybody supported it. If this was done to a person people would be screaming with injustice.
I see you avoided my point that Apple were essentially making $700,000 a day from Netflix just processing the subscription & that’s not correct anyway you look at it.
Then provide your sources. What source do you have showing iOS doesn't have the largest mobile OS share in the U.S? What source do you have showing Apple's App Store doesn't have the largest mobile app store revenue in the U.S. and/or globally?
I ignored it because it’s a straw man. If apple was making $700,000/day what was Netflix making. Obscene amounts from its’ customers.
Epic made hundreds of millions on apples platform before they went rogue and got themselves kicked out. Then sued Apple and lost, except for one point on anti-steering.
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57% is not a commanding lead and I said around 50%. These are all estimates as Apple doesn’t release units.
And who is discussing mobile App Store revenue except for you?
Apple doesn’t release units but yeah they do rake it in globally despite a meager 30% or so of the global market.
I said it was the largest and provided source. You denied it was largest (stating it was about 50%) but when asked to provide source, you didn't. You instead start talking about "commanding lead." Way to keep trying to move the goal posts, dodge, etc.
The discussion was about the App Store. App store revenue is a key way to gauge dominance in a market.
Yep because it’s not a commanding lead. It’s a couple of percentage points within a margin of error. And when Apple had a 40% market share a few years ago the same broken record was being played. We are not here to change anyone’s mind, just to prove who is right.
It’s a way to gauge spending per user. Not dominance.
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apple shouldn’t have be making 700,000 a day from 1 app for just processing a transaction that’s the point.
No wonder apple where begging Netflix to keep IAP purchase.
Right so a developer made millions on the App Store & decided they had a problem
Then that’s the company’s choice then.
In your opinion. Not in mine.
Citation.
Sure. The same way it’s apples choice to keep the fee structure as is. One company’s choice vs another.
I fully don’t expect yourself to agree on any point regarding the 30% IAP apart from defending it.
Just like seeking myself out on another thread just to respond to a comment I made
No matter how greedy and unethical Tim Crook's actions are, there are still plenty of Apple fans who defend his actions. For example, the currently most expensive iPhone model is the iPhone 16 Pro Max with 1TB of storage, which sells for $1,599 in the U.S. (and is even more expenisive in other countries), but there is no charger in the box because Tim Crook decided to remove the chargers from iPhone boxes so he could make even more money by selling them seperately for an additional cost. The $399 iPhone SE 1 in 2016 came with a charger in the box, but the $1,599 iPhone 16 Pro Max comes without a charger in the box. An iPhone literally cannot be used without a charger. And not every iPhone customer owns a computer or other device with a USB female connector to charge an iPhone. And yet plenty of Apple fans will continue to defend that greedy action by Tim Crook to remove chargers from iPhone boxes.
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This is all so much boviating combined with negative opinion for criticisms sake.
Apple is pretty much impervious to run on criticism such as this. Thankfully.
Apple isn’t likely to change and they have a successful business because they dont listen to arm-chair ceos. IMO, if Apple causes this much cognitive dissonance to some folks don’t buy their products and services.
There is certainly enough competition out there.