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Apple's Phil Schiller: 'We Don't Design for Price, We Design for the Experience'
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Wait what? Lenovo managed it 3 years ago with e-ink.
It worked well... but was pretty gimmicky then too, and forgotten about.
But, Microsoft does control their software and the Surface, Surface Book and Surface Studio, which all have full out touch screens that integrate just fine with the OS. The Surface Book and Studio are better for the $ than the MacBook Pros, in my opinion.
Wait what? Lenovo managed it 3 years ago with e-ink.
It's worked well... but was pretty gimmicky then too, and forgotten about.
exactly, completely unsupported by any software but their own and not at all dynamic or coherent across other windows laptops. strike one
I remember my first Mac running System 6. That was magical. I had various machines over the years and am hoping they update the Mac Mini with some power......until then, I use what I have until they produce something I really need. The touchbar is nice, but it will be better when the introduce the e-ink keyboard, where the keys magically change on context.....that will be cool.
I was also around. I barely missed having to punch cards in my first university level coding class. (The abysmal line editor we used still referred to each 80-character line as a "card"). Though I wanted a Mac badly, I couldn't hope to afford one, and had to be satisfied with my Commodore 64. Eventually I got a Commodore Amiga 1000, which bested the currently available Macs in many ways, but cost much less.
Phil Schiller is pissing people off with all these comments. He's a joke, a clown.
full touch screens are not at all a solution to the problem the Touch Bar solves, they are the easy solution to 'how do we make the entire screen a touchpad. as i said this will be the only solution competitors ever achieve and it really isn't a useful solution.
I don't know, seems like touch screens can do a lot...Apple seems to think so too, considering they think iPads are computers these days. I think the touch bar is a fun gimmick - I mean, who doesn't smile at a row full of emojis?
I would prefer a touch pad with a screen and touch id, the small strip on top seems limited.
They didn't mention things that are being removed, such as SD reader, MagSafe and head phone jack. I would gladly take those three features instead of the Touch Bar.
I will buy one, since I waited for so long, but the difference compared to a Windows laptop has decreased since I bought my first Mac Book Pro. The best you could get back then was a Sony VAIO. Now there are competitive alternatives. The price of the MBP has also gone up radically, which makes it less attractive. The one I will buy now will cost twice compared to the one I bought 8 years ago.
This may be my final Mac.
They didn't mention things that are being removed, such as SD reader, MagSafe and head phone jack. I would gladly take those three features instead of the Touch Bar.
I will buy one, since I waited for so long, but the difference compared to a Windows laptop has decreased since I bought my first Mac Book Pro. The best you could get back then was a Sony VAIO. Now there are competitive alternatives. The price of the MBP has also gone up radically, which makes it less attractive. The one I will buy now will cost twice compared to the one I bought 8 years ago.
This may be my final Mac.
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Umm... it integrated with all sorts of applications, using a drag-and-drop interface that could be macro'd, and intuitively changed when you opened applications.
It's fine to like this feature - it certainly has great functions - but pretending only Apple can do it through hardware/software integration is just not true, and a weird argument.
your example proves the point... where is it today? what other laptops use their standard? what software was supporting it? one-shot vaporware. def not tightly integrated with apps as windows has no api supporting anything like it.
Tell that to artists that wants an ipad pro, apple pencil, and macbook pro in one device.
I've got to say, after using Apple computers for almost 30 years I am just about fed up. The ONLY thing keeping me on board is the OS. Here we are calling a computer limited at 16 gigs of ram, starting with a 256gig hard drive, and loosing half of the ports we had before a PRO machine. And to top that off we get to pay more. At least they had the sense to remove the lighted Apple logo so that people won't laugh at you when your using it. How f'n greedy do you guys have to be? I've said this before, but Jony needs to take a break and lets get back function over form
Phil is a man of courage (that the audience didn't storm the stage over the prices)
Let's break down the entry level 15" model with what we can figure out using the highest prices listed:
1. 6th Gen Intel Core i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz Quad Core CPU: ~$378 (Direct from Intel)
2. PCIe onboard SSD: ~$250 (Current market listing)
3. Radeon Pro 450 2GB GDDR5 GPU: ~$200-225 (More difficult to determine)
4. 16GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 RAM: ~$100 (Crucial, OWC, etc)
5. 15.5" 2880x1800 220 DPI IPS Panel: ~$300-$400 (Panel seems same as previous models)
Total Base Components: ~$1028
Thunderbolt 3.0 Logic Board w/ USB 3.1, R&D and development pricing unknown, yet using current market high prices in establishing a reasonable baseline, it's difficult to justify the $2399 USD price point.
1. 6th Gen Intel Core i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz Quad Core CPU: ~$378 (Direct from Intel)
2. PCIe onboard SSD: ~$250 (Current market listing)
3. Radeon Pro 450 2GB GDDR5 GPU: ~$200-225 (More difficult to determine)
4. 16GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 RAM: ~$100 (Crucial, OWC, etc)
5. 15.5" 2880x1800 220 DPI IPS Panel: ~$300-$400 (Panel seems same as previous models)
Total Base Components: ~$1028
Thunderbolt 3.0 Logic Board w/ USB 3.1, R&D and development pricing unknown, yet using current market high prices in establishing a reasonable baseline, it's difficult to justify the $2399 USD price point.
It wasn't vapourware... it existed!
It's not here today because it was quite gimmicky. And other laptops don't need a "standard"... if something can be macro'd, it can be put on it. It doesn't even need the software makers to design for it - it used macros, so anything that uses clicks or keystrokes to function (99.99% of things). That seems to make it *more* simple to use than this iteration of the same idea.
The only aspect this this version can do is swiping - a useful feature in some applications, but certainly niche.