Guess I'm keeping my 2012 Macbook Pro for now! SSD makes it run fine. The price point for these is outrageous. I know it's Apple but geeze they don't need to milk it.
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Apple's Phil Schiller: 'We Don't Design for Price, We Design for the Experience'
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Wasn't repair an option? When a graphics card broke on my 17" I got it replaced at a local repair shop for $200.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! You ABSOLUTELY design for a price point. Apple has just lost a HUGE customer base. Apple has made some very bad decisions lately. I'm afraid Apple is following the normal progression of most companies that become big and popular. We have seen the peak of Apple I'm afraid. It's all down hill from here unless they get someone at the CEO position who really understands what's going on. I'm afraid Apple is so caught up in the culture that they created that they are now destroying themselves. At least as far as the MacBook line goes sales will continue to drop as well as profits. The MacBook will continue to get more expensive as the quality goes down. They are going to need a smart leader to stop this progression. They are pretty much following the same direction they did when they booted Steve Jobs out the first time. He was a smart businessman who understood what was making Apple great. I just don't understand how CEOs don't have the vision that they should. Who is hiring these people? I am seeing the death of Apple in a lot of the decisions they are making. It's so sad.
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It's actually very simple why they don't.
Remember when Microsoft wanted to do a mobile phone back in the early 2000s and the Windows team through a stink and wanted it to be branded Windows and have the same menu system for consistency instead of doing something with capacitive touch?
The same thing is going on at Apple. The iPhone and iPad business units are strong enough to push back on the Mac business unit to not do touch so they don't encroach on their business.
Internal divisions between groups is nothing new at large corporations. But it's the CEO that needs to make the call on the right strategy for the company.
Steve Ballmer failed to do this at Microsoft and Nadella seems to be doing it correctly. I feel Cook is doing the same thing as Ballmer.
Dunno, maybe they're trying to offset the cost of that huge spaceship of a building they're putting up
"Kicking Apple's ass". You are clueless. Surface sells 1 million units a quarter and is barely growing. It is 10% the size of Apple's iPad business. Never mind Mac
Why don't you try to educate yourself with some industry actual data
I guess someone forgot to tell him that customers care about price more than anything. Those MBPs are too overpriced. My time with Apple might be coming to an end. I just can't imagine buying a new Apple computer again when Windows PCs/laptops are just as good and a lot cheaper.
You should include all the 2 in 1s, not just Surface. They are kicking Apple's ass. The 2 in 1s W10 systems are also hurting IPad sales.
I will. I plan on a loaded 13".Oh and Nike model Apple watch as well.
I have to disagree. Touch screens are inefficient on a laptop. Having to raise your hand from the keyboard to touch the screen slows you down. Also, by touching the screen you're placing your hand(s) temporarily in front of it which blocks the view, not to mention puts finger prints on it esp if you're like me who sometimes computes while having morning breakfast. Plus the objects have to be designed large enough to get your finger over it which means less objects and info on the screen.
I think the bar is more accessible for your fingers, and makes good use of the space that was already occupied by the function keys. If you watch the videos, there are some interesting and creative ways to use it in an app.
IMO.
My take on the new MBP is this:
Dwelling in the other threads, people complained that Apple was no longer innovative and didn't care about the Mac. The keynote seemed directly aimed at reversing that opinion.
We (including me) bitched about them not being innovative, or catering to the creative professional like they once did. I have to admit, that the new MBP revisits that era which is welcomed. I applaud you.
However, I should have been careful what I wished for. I have to eat my words as there is no way I can justify paying $3000 for a 15" laptop - esp when I have a perfectly functioning 15" cMBP with two internal hard drives and my preferred antiglare screen. $3000 is what I spent on my pre-unibody 17" MBP and I thought it was quite the indulgence.
I'm hoping they're make an external touch bar keyboard that I can get for my existing mac. They probably will when they update their desktop line.
One disappointment though. If they're going to offer it in space grey, they should have had a jet black option like the iPhone 7. I bet that would have been popular. When I worked for a Mac dealer, people would buy the black MacBook just for the colour. Yes, it might make it look more like other laptops, but not with the touch strip and the glowing white apple logo on the back of the screen it would still look iconically Apple.
Dwelling in the other threads, people complained that Apple was no longer innovative and didn't care about the Mac. The keynote seemed directly aimed at reversing that opinion.
We (including me) bitched about them not being innovative, or catering to the creative professional like they once did. I have to admit, that the new MBP revisits that era which is welcomed. I applaud you.
However, I should have been careful what I wished for. I have to eat my words as there is no way I can justify paying $3000 for a 15" laptop - esp when I have a perfectly functioning 15" cMBP with two internal hard drives and my preferred antiglare screen. $3000 is what I spent on my pre-unibody 17" MBP and I thought it was quite the indulgence.
I'm hoping they're make an external touch bar keyboard that I can get for my existing mac. They probably will when they update their desktop line.
One disappointment though. If they're going to offer it in space grey, they should have had a jet black option like the iPhone 7. I bet that would have been popular. When I worked for a Mac dealer, people would buy the black MacBook just for the colour. Yes, it might make it look more like other laptops, but not with the touch strip and the glowing white apple logo on the back of the screen it would still look iconically Apple.
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I can buy 20 top models 15" without my account going negative. The first thing I though seeing the price was, no ****ing way I pay that, for that mediocrity of a laptop. You don't accumulate money by spending it frivolous.
You have to go beyond that one use case. Also, include doing demos or watching media in "teepee" mode. Also, include the situation where you detach or flip the device into a tablet. Don't forget to include the pen, too.
Touchscreens are actually very useful as Apple itself has proven.
I would just like to add that many USB hubs now have SD Card ports. Failure to that you can just use USB stick (with an adapter) which IMHO are more common than SD cards. But hopefully they will start making USB type C memory sticks.
$500. Five Hundred Dollars more than the previous version. That's not even an option. The answer is no.
SO dead on as well! I'm shocked about the lack of attention to detail. It's like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. I really hope this is brought up in some interview, because I really want to hear Apple's response.
Damn TIM! can this man do anything right?
Four multiports is cool, especially given you can power the MBP at the same time as drive a 5K. Still I'll need a dock/USB3 expander for all my devices. What i'd give for a TB Hub (about $120 I suppose for 4 or 5 ports and yeah I know TB architecture means it's unlikely to ever happen). Price is sad. The original Mac vision was amazing computer within reach of everyone who really wants it (which it never was but was arguably worth it for many releases).
Thinner? Stop making these thinner. I just had my MBP 15" 2015 lockup during a live venue event where it was driving the main projector. It kept passing video through from my BMD MiniRecord but UI was frozen as was keyboard and touch inputs. When I got a chance to reboot I tried to shut it down, eventually it shutdown with CNRL + PowerButton but wouldn't restart for maybe five minutes. I suspect overheating, due to this obsession with thin. How about making a MBP to Pro specs for pro users in the AV related industries, one that doesn't overheat doing a simple video passthrough (mimoLive), one that has more than 2 TB ports (tick), one that doesn't cost the goddam earth for every non-standard spec upgrade, one that doesn't start in Lexusland.
Does a TB2 hub slow down a TB3 chain?
Actually my OWC Thunderbolt 2 Dock which drops out for 2-5 seconds every now and then, like three or four times over ten minutes then is fine for a day so I don't drive the display thru it any more or my keyboard and wacom because it's so annoying when it drops connection. Encrypted drive passwords several times a day — yay! SO wouldn't mind a replacement from non-OWC company.
Thinner? Stop making these thinner. I just had my MBP 15" 2015 lockup during a live venue event where it was driving the main projector. It kept passing video through from my BMD MiniRecord but UI was frozen as was keyboard and touch inputs. When I got a chance to reboot I tried to shut it down, eventually it shutdown with CNRL + PowerButton but wouldn't restart for maybe five minutes. I suspect overheating, due to this obsession with thin. How about making a MBP to Pro specs for pro users in the AV related industries, one that doesn't overheat doing a simple video passthrough (mimoLive), one that has more than 2 TB ports (tick), one that doesn't cost the goddam earth for every non-standard spec upgrade, one that doesn't start in Lexusland.
Does a TB2 hub slow down a TB3 chain?
Actually my OWC Thunderbolt 2 Dock which drops out for 2-5 seconds every now and then, like three or four times over ten minutes then is fine for a day so I don't drive the display thru it any more or my keyboard and wacom because it's so annoying when it drops connection. Encrypted drive passwords several times a day — yay! SO wouldn't mind a replacement from non-OWC company.
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yeah another $250 on a dock, great. I have an OWC TB 2 Dock already and it has NO SD Slot. Even better, it drops out it's connection for 2-8 seconds like a few times every other day. So infuriating I put my display and input devices keyboard&wacom on MBP ports just to stop going crazy. Same dock on my 17" MBP is a nightmare, just unusable. Retyping encrypted disk passwords is so much fun too. At least the fingerprint sensor will deal with that, I hope?
OWC's response? they blocked my email from chat support. Customer service guaranteed. and there reps talk BS sometimes.
Yeah so dock is a great solution that's already available (without slot because MBP has a slot).Oh and USB sticks over SD cards? What brand of DSLR uses USB memory sticks, LOL?
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Honestly, I feel Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave. This is far really far from MAC experience. For me it started when they removed the analog connectivity to Hi-fidelity quality sound over software and hardware doing the work. I find this wireless world is really interfering with our own frequencies of our minds. We've became so independent on technology to protect us, but as we slowly create a wireless world through our phones such as the guide to the orwellian future he wrote about in the book. Makes me very worrisome for humanity in whole entirely.
When i complained to an apple genius about this type of future by slowly getting rid of ports to access or put into our computers is absurd. I don't need a paper thin laptop, or computer I want a functional that has the core experience interacted. Personally when they moved away from Steve Jobs model of Mac, I feel they are windows on a whole evil new level. Practically told me to find a phone and computer that has this core experience that i told them they destroyed. I loved we have Unified platform but the fact its contradicting everything apple was about to me personally. I liked when it was Mac OS X and iOS as separate entities as they should of been left as was.
Now they have ruined Apple Music app I don't like the new look. I miss the look like the 2 previous OS and the skeurmorphism OS as well. Also Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora or any streaming music service really RIPS off the Artist and their musical content with .06-15 , i.e. cent per play songs. So they are really making BANK off of subscribers who basically pay 9.99 do the math if they have 4.6million subscriptions. They artist themselves is getting Bitch Cumbles and basically has to do Tours and etc.
When i complained to an apple genius about this type of future by slowly getting rid of ports to access or put into our computers is absurd. I don't need a paper thin laptop, or computer I want a functional that has the core experience interacted. Personally when they moved away from Steve Jobs model of Mac, I feel they are windows on a whole evil new level. Practically told me to find a phone and computer that has this core experience that i told them they destroyed. I loved we have Unified platform but the fact its contradicting everything apple was about to me personally. I liked when it was Mac OS X and iOS as separate entities as they should of been left as was.
Now they have ruined Apple Music app I don't like the new look. I miss the look like the 2 previous OS and the skeurmorphism OS as well. Also Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora or any streaming music service really RIPS off the Artist and their musical content with .06-15 , i.e. cent per play songs. So they are really making BANK off of subscribers who basically pay 9.99 do the math if they have 4.6million subscriptions. They artist themselves is getting Bitch Cumbles and basically has to do Tours and etc.
They are just being arrogant. And they are using nothing more then simple marketing and selling tactics. They are in it for the money and nothing else after all.
I think the iPad Pro is their idea of a cheap computer now, not that it isn't.
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But their is money to be made in those adapters... I actually had to think for a second what you meant, then remembered their is no lightning to USB C cable.
Seems like Jony gets disproportionate stick because he's a limey. How could Steve manage him and get the best from him? Do you fire a talent like that because his line manager - Tim Cook - can't manage him?
This happened before. You get a bean counter in like John Sculley/Tim Cook who can't handle big personalities and you either lose the zing by firing them or jump the shark by not being able to reign them in.
The problem is ineffective leadership, not the maverick.