iPad Apple's planned obsolescence is a joke

[matttye]

Double check your settings because there are 3 that can be turned off.

Settings -> iTunes & App Store -> 1) Music 2) Apps 3) *Updates* .

Are you plugged in/charging and internet connection enabled? Those 2 conditions will cause an automatic download of a Safari update for malware sites and an OS update if it's available.

Right. You're misunderstanding what those options do.

The music/apps/books options automatically download the music/apps/books downloaded on your other iOS devices. The updates option automatically downloads app updates.

None of the options refer to iOS updates unless the option to automatically download app updates includes iOS updates, but there's nothing to indicate that it does.

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Just an update, I restored my iPad as a new device and set it up from scratch and it's running great now

 

[s2mikey]

Right. You're misunderstanding what those options do.

The music/apps/books options automatically download the music/apps/books downloaded on your other iOS devices. The updates option automatically downloads app updates.

None of the options refer to iOS updates unless the option to automatically download app updates includes iOS updates, but there's nothing to indicate that it does.

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Just an update, I restored my iPad as a new device and set it up from scratch and it's running great now

Great to hear things are sorted out.

 

[Ti Rider]

You can restore to iOS 7.1.2 right now. It's still being signed. No one knows how long you have to do it. But if you want to do it, I would suggest doing it NOW. The signing window has been open way longer than apple has ever left it open after a major release and will probably be closed soon.

So stop crying and downgrade your devices to 7.1.2 while you still can and your problem is solved.

You can't restore to iOS 6 because it's not signed anymore - keep dreaming.

Also note: Your device is never automatically updated - YOU have to click ok to start the upgrade process.

I rolled my iPad 2 back to 7.1.2 a few days ago and restored as new. I had no iOS 7 backups on my PC so it was like starting over. But it was completely worth it. My iPad 2 was barely usable with iOS 8. Incredibly slow and buggy, always crashing. Rolling back to 7.1.2 returned it's speed and stability. I'm just glad Apple left the signing window open longer than the usual 24-48 hours.

Lesson learned - if your Apple product is more than two generations old it's best not to update.

 

[andrewlgm]

I love Macs, but I am not that big a fan of apple iOS devices and software precisely for the reason why this thread was started. Look at the newest iPhone 6 and 6 Plus and their strategy: 1. iPhones that bend in your pocket is the definition of form over function. Apple will always focus on look over functionality. 2. The mere 1GB of RAM in both devices. Sure the iPhone 6 and 6 plus work phenomenally well with that 1GB, and sure apple is one of the few companies that provides users with updates -

But therewith lies the problem: the updates to previous iOS devices always lack features and they always run slow. It's planned obsolescence from the design (lack of hardware features such as a microsd expansion slot), from the internal hardware (a limited amount of RAM that will most likely be the limiting factor to future updates), and the exclusion from simple features offered in new devices but not on older, even though they can and will work well.

On one hand you're complaining that apple updates their devices, but does not optimize them, and I think that's a fair criticism.

 

[andrewlgm]

Its obviously both. Newly written software should not be optimized to run on completely obsolete hardware...it should be optimized to run on the absolute latest hardware. If were managing that division I wouldn't have it any other way.

It also does not hurt to have people motivated to update their older hardware, because they want a device designed to power the new feature they're after.

Yes, it is planned obsolescence, but its also BETTER for all than the alternative. AKA no innovation, no cutting edge features, no improvements year after year.

I don't give much consideration to people who kick and scream that their obsolete hardware doesn't run the latest software as well as the latest hardware. You'd be kicking and screaming just as much if Apple cut off the iPad 2 from iOS 8. I don't care if your iPad is only 3 years old....thats obsolete in the tech world.

(side note: the only reason iPad 2 is allowed to run iOS 8 is because it remained available for sale as new device up until only a few short months ago. Apple wants to make sure buyers in the last 12 months all receive at least 1 OS upgrade. That said, if you were OK with how iOS 7 ran on iPad 2 (IMO, unusably bad) then you should be fine with it on iOS 8, at there should not be much difference. If it seems like there is, restore it)

I get the gist of your post. But there are so many underlying assumptions in it, I don't know where to precisely start. Here's one: some people can't afford to purchase newer devices yearly. It is their expectation when purchasing a personal computer (tablets included) that it will function at the level of purchase for more than just one upgrade/update cycle. I think it's a reasonable expectation. I also understand Apple doesn't have update anything, or optimize anything, but perhaps they should to prevent this sort of disaffection from users. I experienced this sort of feeling with my first iPad 1 purchase and my last iPhone 4 purchase. I haven't purchased an iOS device since.

 

[iolinux333]

Then my iPad lied to me and I'm in for a world of hurt when it installs. >_>

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The iPad 2 came out 3 years ago. It getting updates at all is pretty big in the day of mobile tech.

I have an old nexus 7 first generation tablet. It's two and a half years old now. It came with Android 4.2 jelly bean. The latest updates to 4.4 kitkat made it much faster than it was originally. Google openly stated one of the goals of the newer OS was optimization to increase responsiveness and speed on older devices. Apple could do the same. In general they choose not to, although the progression from 7.0.0 to 7.1.2 ended up with a faster more optimized iOS7 in the end. Software optimization and code cleanup is rarely a priority for anyone these days, not even for thousands of independent devs. I guess that's because consumers keep clamoring for features features features and more shiny things.

 

[Michael Goff]

I have an old nexus 7 first generation tablet. It's two and a half years old now. It came with Android 4.2 jelly bean. The latest updates to 4.4 kitkat made it much faster than it was originally. Google openly stated one of the goals of the newer OS was optimization to increase responsiveness and speed on older devices. Apple could do the same. In general they choose not to, although the progression from 7.0.0 to 7.1.2 ended up with a faster more optimized iOS7 in the end. Software optimization and code cleanup is rarely a priority for anyone these days, not even for thousands of independent devs. I guess that's because consumers keep clamoring for features features features and more shiny things.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Apple doesn't need to work on making the OS run better. I'm just saying the iPad 2 is old and has poor hardware and that after 3 years we should probably not expect great things from it. Even the 2 ½ year old Nexus 7 has better hardware than the iPad 2.

 

[s2mikey]

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Apple doesn't need to work on making the OS run better. I'm just saying the iPad 2 is old and has poor hardware and that after 3 years we should probably not expect great things from it. Even the 2 ½ year old Nexus 7 has better hardware than the iPad 2.

I hear ya but three years really isn't that long of a time although in the electronics world I suppose it's considered an eternity. I'd like to think that a fairly pricey device has a longer shelf life than the years or so. The iPad 2s we have in the houe still work great and actually seem OK with the latest iOS update. But it's obvious they'll become more and more stifled as new OS releases come out. Oh well.

 

[Breaking Good]

I have iOS 8 running on my iPad 2 with nary an issue. It was running pretty slow in iOS 7. Recently I restored as new and it was much better, even more improvement after upgrading to iOS 8. You couldn't pay me to go back, Maybe a restore will help?

I believe that this solves a lot of problems when updating older no lie tech devices with new OS's.

My children use an old iPad 2 and it is running fine on iOS8.

I had an iPod Touch once. It was whatever version that was available along side the iPhone 3G. It got to the point that the battery would drain in a day just sitting there. I took it to the local Apple Store and they did a fresh reload of iOS and the battery was fine after that.

 

[Michael Goff]

I hear ya but three years really isn't that long of a time although in the electronics world I suppose it's considered an eternity. I'd like to think that a fairly pricey device has a longer shelf life than the years or so. The iPad 2s we have in the houe still work great and actually seem OK with the latest iOS update. But it's obvious they'll become more and more stifled as new OS releases come out. Oh well.

I bought a Motorola Xoom around the time the iPad 2 came out. The Xoom got up to 4.1.2 without going over to CyanogenMod where you could get up to 4.2. I'm not saying this because I don't want the iPad 2 to run well, it's obvious the iPad 2 was extremely outdated even a year after it was released. The newer tablet market only really started (the one with ARM and a mobile OS) in 2010.

Oh, and let's not forget that they love their iPhone more than their iPad.

 

[aPple nErd]

i don't recommend anything past 2 software updates. for the iPad 2, and iPhone 5 thought, i's recommend 3. The iPad 2 is fine on ios 7, and the iPhone 5 is fine on ios 8. I'm not going to ever update my 5 past ios 8 though, and would never update an iPad 2 to ios 8...

 

[tdale]

i don't recommend anything past 2 software updates. for the iPad 2, and iPhone 5 thought, i's recommend 3. The iPad 2 is fine on ios 7, and the iPhone 5 is fine on ios 8. I'm not going to ever update my 5 past ios 8 though, and would never update an iPad 2 to ios 8...

On what factual and trustworthy basis is that based on, or is it just your opinion? You make it sound legit, but its only your opinion, so it is misleading for some reading this thread.

 

[sracer]

On what factual and trustworthy basis is that based on, or is it just your opinion? You make it sound legit, but its only your opinion, so it is misleading for some reading this thread.

It's obviously his opinion. How does one "make it sound legit"?

All of us who own devices draw conclusions and form opinions based on our own first-hand experiences. That is certainly no less "legit" than blog "pundits" who may have financial incentive to form what they write.

 

[tdale]

It's obviously his opinion. How does one "make it sound legit"?

All of us who own devices draw conclusions and form opinions based on our own first-hand experiences. That is certainly no less "legit" than blog "pundits" who may have financial incentive to form what they write.

Its his opinion, yes, but stated as fact. Its not a fact that this or that runs fine or not. What is a fact that his xyz may not run fine, so why is it that somenone elses xyz does?.

 

[cjmillsnun]

I could comfortably buy an iPad with a month's wages but that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here.

The point is that my iPad ran great when I first got it, when it ran iOS 5, and it has got steadily slower with each update. 'don't upgrade' you might say, which is all well and good, but the iPad downloads the software update automatically and there's no built in method to stop it from doing so.

Essentially I have to install the update to get the space back otherwise it will just redownload ad infinitum.

Actually you don't. You can erase the update by going into the usage part of the settings.

Also the first couple of versions of a major release of iOS run ***** on anything but the latest hardware (or 1 generation back). when you get to the iOS X.1.0 release, then they seem to optimise it better.

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Just an update, I restored my iPad as a new device and set it up from scratch and it's running great now

That can also happen. A slight corruption in the user data during the update process can really be a PITA. Glad it's all good now.

 

[Rodster]

Its his opinion, yes, but stated as fact. Its not a fact that this or that runs fine or not. What is a fact that his xyz may not run fine, so why is it that somenone elses xyz does?.

...or you don't have to listen to that poster and do as you please but there is a little truth to what that poster had said. The original iPad shipped with iOS 3 and it's performance was hurt with iOS 5. The iPad 2 shipped with iOS 4 and performance took a hit with iOS 7. So your mileage will vary.

 

[tdale]

Yosemite runs perfectly fine on my 2009 MacBook. 5 year old machine tha I have no reason to upgrade as it's still going strong.

More than I can say for the 3year old iPhone 4s users on iOS 8

Thats the thing, do you mean ALL on 4S, or some? And of the some, why is that?

Take iMessage. Does that use more CPU cycles in iOS8 than 7? No. Same with everythng else in iOS8 that is carried forward from iOS7. Look at whats new. Predictive is s hit apparently, thats new to 8, turn it off. Each upgrade some settings are changed to on, BT is one I noticed, recheck settings. Also, indexing and housekeeping happens, leave it a day before you see how it runs. Leave many apps in the MT bar?As iOS8 is a larger footprint, you might run into slowdons due to low memory, check that

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...or you don't have to listen to that poster and do as you please but there is a little truth to what that poster had said. The original iPad shipped with iOS 3 and it's performance was hurt with iOS 5. The iPad 2 shipped with iOS 4 and performance took a hit with iOS 7. So your mileage will vary.

As more is running no doubt. I see many saying this, I see many saying its fine. If you turn on new features that doidnt exist in the previous version you would expect a slowdown. Like battery life, its all about the settings

 

[laudern]

Its his opinion, yes, but stated as fact. Its not a fact that this or that runs fine or not. What is a fact that his xyz may not run fine, so why is it that somenone elses xyz does?.

You sir are a fool. It is not stated as a fact. A recommendation is not always a fact. It is a fact that he recommended it, but the recommendation wasn't a fact.

I recommend you need to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. (It is a fact that I recommend this, but is my recommendation at fact????) lol

Having said all that, I too agree with what was recommended about updating an old device. (That is a fact)

 

[Rodster]

As more is running no doubt. I see many saying this, I see many saying its fine. If you turn on new features that doidnt exist in the previous version you would expect a slowdown. Like battery life, its all about the settings

Like I said, your mileage will vary. I prefer all or nothing. If I have to turn features off because it hurts performance or even worse, turning features off still doesn't change poor performance, i'll always do without. I still have my iPad 3 running the final release of iOS 5 because I know better not to upgrade it to iOS 7.

 

[tdale]

You sir are a fool. It is not stated as a fact. A recommendation is not a fact. It is a fact that he recommended it, but the recommendation wasn't a fact.

I recommend you need to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. (It is a fact that I recommend this, but is my recommendation at fact????) lol

Having said all that, I too agree with what was recommended about updating an old device. (That is a fact)

What a joke reply. Read the post mate, and re read if its too hard. I say this I say that, it IS fine, etc, these appear as factual, but they are opinions. I dont give a rats ass when I read garbage, but I do care when there are pother readers here seeklim info and they read this , take it as a fact, when its actually opinion, and in cases, opinioniated.

But you are not interested or knowledgeable, you just have a need to be right, and reply accordinlgy when it suits. Valueless.



Quote[i don't recommend anything past 2 software updates. for the iPad 2, and iPhone 5 thought, i's recommend 3. The iPad 2 is fine on ios 7, and the iPhone 5 is fine on ios 8. I'm not going to ever update my 5 past iOS 8 though, and would never update an iPad 2 to ios 8...]