The XDR literally has more than twice as many pixels.... (about 2.5x more actually). Less than half the pixels is not really nicer specs, no matter how much better the backlight etc is.
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Apple's Pro Display XDR Is Five Years Old Today
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True, but does someone need that many pixels? Most professionals don’t even need it. Like I said own them and Studio Displays and 4K Samsungs. For Windows the 4K Samsung looks amazing at a fraction of the price.
I don’t feel sorry for a several trillion dollar company to take advantage of consumers. The problem is most people don’t have any clue where that money goes. The shareholders and executive teams. The designers get royally messed with and paid a pittance for what they do. The materials, cheap. The economies of scale is what you’re not factoring in here. And, I believe that once they sell at $4999 or higher monitor, it’s beyond absurd to charge extra for any way to mount it. Again, own three of these, so not like I don’t know from experience that they’re nice. But have monitor supports that have aluminum and are adjustable that are very nice for a less than 1/3 the price by smaller companies. When the monitor was announced everyone gasped at there being no stand included. And one cannot even mount it without buying an extra $400 adapter. That’s a sin and money grab.
…No they don’t. You sleeper don’t understand the value of the PPI and DPR ratio of the Pro Display XDR is clearly significantly better and sharper than those monitors
This has been commercially verified at the mobile panel business for years where 218 PPI was verified to be that much better.
The primary purpose of a monitor is for things to be sharp.
Mobile market has shown DPR of 2 and 3 are both noticeably superior and valued over what’s possible with large panels only sporting 4K.
4K is a great resolution to settle with for price conscious buyers but more for manufacturers to be cheap
They more gasped at the monitor stand being priced what it was, not that it wasn’t included.
Studio Display does not have such included either without such things constantly moaned about.
Prosumers and power users are recommended to use a VESA mount instead of a stand for very legit ergonomic reasons + frees up desk space substantially
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This may be a good place to ask: are there any 27 inch displays currently available that are comparable to, or better than, the Apple Studio Display (mainly PPI and brightness) and which cost the same or significantly less? I don't need a display that's optimized for photo or film work, just basic web page layout, word processing, web browsing, watching streaming video, etc.
How does its overall clarity compare to a 16 inch M1 Macbook Pro display?
And how likely is it that Apple will release the next version of the Studio Display some time in 2025?
How does its overall clarity compare to a 16 inch M1 Macbook Pro display?
And how likely is it that Apple will release the next version of the Studio Display some time in 2025?
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It would be wise to assume that Apple's development plans are on hold for the foreseable future until the results can be seen of a global tariff shutdown, economic collapse, trade wars, and enormous price increases and what they will do to the supply chains, sales, and profit margins. As is any huge corporation doing right now considering the at the best case, shakeup, and at the worst, disaster ahead. If you have a need now as I did, I advise to buy before prices go up, way up, while you can still get product within a reasonable timeframe, and to not rely on nor expect any significant normal updating/upgrading patterns to continue as they have been operating during a huge economic boom.
I just bought two studio displays with the regular glass, tilt only to go with two Mac mini m4 pros, and couldn't be more blown away.
I just bought two studio displays with the regular glass, tilt only to go with two Mac mini m4 pros, and couldn't be more blown away.
That’s what I’ve been expecting too, when the M4* studios and the mac pros get thunderbolt 5 to go along with the M4P/M MBPs and M4P minis is when they’ll release the next xdr, which will give them the bandwidth on all the pro focused machines to make it 6k@120 or a larger display with 8k@120
Yeah, I’m factoring in ‘economies of scale’. Just how many stands do you think they sell, to amortize several million in engineering and production development for a stand like this? Apple don’t pay their engineers $10/hr ha.
It reads like your making one of those anti-capitalistic arguments, not one based on actual math.
There is no similar stand at 1/3rd the price, period. If anyone could make one close for even half the price, we’d have seen one by now.
I was working with an Eizo Display before, the only thing the Eizo did better was the uniformity of the display, wich is pretty "cloudy" on the Apple Display. But every other aspect the Apple Display tops it.
It's nothing to do with economic politics - making a monitor stand that costs that much (unless it's pure greed) is just plain, bad, form-over-function, not-fit-for-purpose design - as is making a monitor in that price range that doesn't come with VESA mounting (which is just 4 threaded bolt holes that even the new <$100 Raspberry Pi display somehow manages to include) as standard.
The word "similar" is doing a lot of work in that statement... Otherwise, a perfectly functional VESA desk stand would cost a lot less than that: https://www.startech.com/en-gb/display-mounting-ergonomics/fppneustnd
That took me 5 seconds to find, I'm sure I could find a silver one. The catch is that the Pro XDR inexplicably lacks VESA mounting holes and even Apple's VESA adapter will set you back an extra $200 (and gets you a magnetic quick-release even if you're putting the display in an insecure area where that's not such a good idea).
Sure, because most of the height-adjustable stands available for $500 rather inconveniently come with a free display attached right where the Pro XDR would go!
More seriously, Apple have decided to use an (inevitably patented-to-the-hilt) proprietary mount rather than industry-standard VESA which adds $200 for the official VESA adapter to the cost of any competing mount.
If you want to talk about "anti-capitalism", that sort of deliberate restriction of competition (possibly backed by government-imposed artificial monopolies like patents) may or may not fall under your preferred definition of "capitalism"... If Apple think their wonderful stand is really worth $1000 it should stand on its own in a free market, without deliberately omitting a standard feature (VESA mount) and effectively adding $200 to the cost of any alternative.
Form over function? When you write this, I know you haven't used the Pro Display XDR stand. The high adjustment is some wonderful engineering. It functions way better than any traditional stand in that regards.It's nothing to do with economic politics - making a monitor stand that costs that much (unless it's pure greed) is just plain, bad, form-over-function, not-fit-for-purpose design - as is making a monitor in that price range that doesn't come with VESA mounting (which is just 4 threaded bolt holes that even the new <$100 Raspberry Pi display somehow manages to include) as standard.
The word "similar" is doing a lot of work in that statement... Otherwise, a perfectly functional VESA desk stand would cost a lot less than that: https://www.startech.com/en-gb/display-mounting-ergonomics/fppneustnd
That took me 5 seconds to find, I'm sure I could find a silver one. The catch is that the Pro XDR inexplicably lacks VESA mounting holes and even Apple's VESA adapter will set you back an extra $200 (and gets you a magnetic quick-release even if you're putting the display in an insecure area where that's not such a good idea).
Sure, because most of the height-adjustable stands available for $500 rather inconveniently come with a free display attached right where the Pro XDR would go!
More seriously, Apple have decided to use an (inevitably patented-to-the-hilt) proprietary mount rather than industry-standard VESA which adds $200 for the official VESA adapter to the cost of any competing mount.
If you want to talk about "anti-capitalism", that sort of deliberate restriction of competition (possibly backed by government-imposed artificial monopolies like patents) may or may not fall under your preferred definition of "capitalism"... If Apple think their wonderful stand is really worth $1000 it should stand on its own in a free market, without deliberately omitting a standard feature (VESA mount) and effectively adding $200 to the cost of any alternative.
I'm not a 'stand apologist', nor do I think people should feel obligated to buy/use Apple's version. But to think it's comparable to the $100 garbage everyone's posting that are truly form over function is just myopic.
The stand is expensive. Nice things are expensive. They're not for everyone. I don't buy $250K Maybachs. But that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge how nice and well-engineered they are in comparison to a Corolla. Both go 80mph and can get you from point A to B.
Five years seems about the right amount of time between monitor generations. It's enough time that there have been significant enough improvements in display tech to make people who bought in 2019 want to upgrade. Maybe that's wishful thinking though on my part. Hopefully in 2025 they'll refresh this along with the Studio Display, which, despite being newer, is even more outdated than the Pro Display XDR.
It is true; for prosumer hardware things that can't be assumed to be useful for all purchasers are helpfully omitted: Whether that's DSLRs, monitors, and so on.
A monitor stand isn't great to force on everyone who buys a prosumer monitor when many, especially the prosumer level, don't use an included stand compared to a VESA stand. It is a thinly veiled means of overcharging and recouping R&D for a monitor to force people to pay for an included stand.
It's not very green the amount of material for a stand that will not be used. It's a cost that doesn't goes towards the actual core use and purpose of a monitor. Imagine if Apple forced the robust $1000 stand on every Pro Display XDR when they plan to use it immediately and indefinitely with a VESA mount.
That's a LOT of wasted metal and costs for them and end suers.
Especially creative professionals who will use a VESA mount and/or quick detach system that the Pro Display XDR is primarily for.
What advantages does a stand has ergonomically over a VESA stand? Please defend your stance that objectively defies ergonomic best practices backed by human-computer-interaction (HCI) computer science.
Oh, I absolutely wrote it off; I made my money back with the professional work I bought it specifically for as a dev and creative professional.
I didn’t use it for video post production as frequently as ai anticipated compared to my Nvidia workstations, but oh well.
I use ray-tracing for a wide variety of 3D work with ray-tracing/path-tracing a must in order to realistically be seriously involved in product/film/3D render/design pipelines.
The exception is game development outside of CGI trailers for gamers before this new current generation.
I’m not involved directly in the gaming industry though.
Unfortunately, I will have to return my studio display. The whole package is just a beautiful piece of industrial design and the speakers are phenomenal. However, given the cost, and compared to my new MBP M4 screen with nano-texture, the reflections and bad blooming on the ASD are frustrating.
Blacks are not truly black compared to the mini-led on the MBP. I'm desperately hoping they refresh the ASD with a much better panel (quantum-dot, miniled) and fix the nano-texture on it as well in 2025.
Blacks are not truly black compared to the mini-led on the MBP. I'm desperately hoping they refresh the ASD with a much better panel (quantum-dot, miniled) and fix the nano-texture on it as well in 2025.
I have my strategy set: I'll finally buy a Mac Studio once the M4 Studio is out. If Apple does not release an updated display along with it, I'll buy a cheap 3rd party display as a stop-gap solution until Apple decides to update either the Studio Display or the Pro Display XDR.
As the M4 Mac Pro should be out by WWDC in June next year, I believe they will announce the successor to the Pro Display XDR at the same event. So I might not have to wait for too long...
As the M4 Mac Pro should be out by WWDC in June next year, I believe they will announce the successor to the Pro Display XDR at the same event. So I might not have to wait for too long...
I’m waiting for the M4/M5 Ultra Studio myself. I would need to have an Nvidia option or vehemently need DSPs Macs again to justify the Mac Pro equivalent.
Having the Pro Display XDR, I would strongly recommend skipping the Studio Display if the segmentation is the same again: The Studio Display does not have premium HDR nor prosumer HDR traits available on all of Apple’s other Mac products (1600 peak nits, 1000 sustained nits)
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The Studio Display is mediocre since launch to me because its screen is worse than ANY prosumer Mac with a screen as they all borrow from the Pro Display XDR’s screen capabilities: The Studio Display doesn’t have 1600 peak nits, 1000 sustained nits nor Dolby Vision + HLG HDR making it inferior to the Macbook Pro, iPad Pro, and even the Vision Pro in various picture quality capabilities to be able to consume and make prosumer work consistently well across such devices.
Studio Display has the strangest product positioning across all of Apple’s products to me because of that.
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