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Really?

I just bought a dual-core android phone for 99 dollars, outright.

the plan, with data and unlimited text, is $25 a month, no contract at all.

GPS, Wifi, decent camera, etc. (LG Optimus S)

What carrier do you have?

I'm guess you're not on one of the big 4? Verizon an Att plans are the same with iPhones and Android phones. Sprint and T mobile plans are a little bit cheaper.
 
What plan is that?

As far as I know, iPhone plans on Verizon/Att are the same as any other smartphone.

And no offense, but you pay for what you get. Any high end Android starts out at $200+ but is then soon discounted in some way. Your phone is not exactly high end, at least not today, and it's "dual-core" is not the same as what you would find in the galaxy s 2 for example.

You don't know much about the Optimus S, I see.
 
What carrier do you have?

I'm guess you're not on one of the big 4? Verizon an Att plans are the same with iPhones and Android phones. Sprint and T mobile plans are a little bit cheaper.

It's on Sprint's network.

www.iwirelesshome.com

The crazy thing is, when I called them to have my number ported over from ATT, i got an American on the other line who actually knew what they were talking about.
 
Yikes Motorola

In the past 17 quarters, Motorola has shown a profit in only two quarters...and they're real slim profits.
 
You don't know much about the Optimus S, I see.

Fill us in please.
It's on Sprint's network.

www.iwirelesshome.com

The crazy thing is, when I called them to have my number ported over from ATT, i got an American on the other line who actually knew what they were talking about.

Virgin Mobile has $35 pay as you go plan that has unlimited data, text, and 300 talk minutes.

Optimus V is $149. Unfortunately it's an Android phone. :mad: But they do have other options.
 
Thats fine for the nontechie, nonmacrumors resident. But what about people on this site, who are technically inclined? We know, since we are informed.. that apple does NOT provide the best internals or at least not anything better than the competition...

so why should we be "ok" with paying a premium for parts and product, us in the KNOW, know that they are inferior?

People claim apple is so innovative, why sell us short?

again - you need to divide the apple community these days - there is a reason why Dell monitors are popular, Xservers are gone and MacPro sales are non-existent also why more people choose an android phone (regardless of the nonsense reason people come up with)

Most that have run a Studio or iT Apple for a long time will tell you that there are items that just make no sense to buy from them - but it would be a lie to tell you that it is true for everything
 
Fill us in please.

I have used iPhones on and off over the last 3 years pretty often, and I am familiar with both how they function and the "feel" of using one.

I know what the "experience" is like.

I have not had anything close to that amount of time with an Android phone, and after a few days with this one, I find it to be at least equal to the iphone. So much of the greatness comes from its connection with my google accounts. I don't use Apple's paid services, and never have been willing to pay for a web email account, so I have had gmail and various google things for years.

I got my phone, entered my google login info once, and poof, everything was there. The widgets on the main window "panes" are great little windows into the apps themselves. The status bar or whatever you call it on the top is much more useful than the iOS one. The whole concept of having to think about which apps are open and what's going on just doesn't exist. For me, it was a much more "it just works" experience than iOS, and all of my computers are Macs!

I liked that I could just grab a few playlists from my iTunes library and drag them to the phone's music folder, and then it was all there. No sync through itunes. The OS updated itself when I turned it on for the first time, over the air.

The integration of voice search with everything is really wonderful. Maps and navigation seems to work really well.

The touch screen seems to work just like the iPhones. It's responsive and nice. There is something called "Swyping" that I'm still getting used to, but it is optional. Seems like when you get used to that, it will make typing very very fast.

i don't feel locked in the way I did with the iPhone.

It really helps to know that if I decided to just stop using this cell phone, i can just not pay the bill next month, and get a different phone. And I've had it for less than a week.

I can triple my home internet speed with the cost savings every month. Or I can pocket the cash and use it for something more valuable.
 
oh .. reminds me of that one time I bought a phone from metro PCS. It's not a good story...

huh? Kroger has been selling cell phones and service plans for 10 years.

If Sprint gets bought and shut down, then I might have a problem, but I'm not worried about Kroger dropping their wireless offshoot.
 
That really is amazing. All that before they start filling their phones with paid apps. Profit upfront and profit continuing thru the life of the product. Simple, but very well executed model.

iPhones are not "filled with paid apps"
 
If that were completely true, Apple wouldn't be spending half a billion dollars on product ads every year, because people would just go out and buy their stuff without being prompted.

Apple 2010 ad budget = about $700 million.
Dell 2008 and 2009 ad budget = about $800 to $900 million.
 

Every carrier should offer these types of plans given the phones are typically locked to the carrier.

The carrier will get the subsidy on the phone back when the service is used and customers will stay with the carrier if the service is good.

This gives the consumer the ability to cancel their plan without a termination penalty when situations warrant cancellation.

Cancellation could be due to changes in the financial situation of the consumer or dissatisfaction with the service.

There is no need to coerce consumers with termination fees and alternative prices on hardware if purchased with or without a plan.
 
Crazy comment.

If that were completely true, Apple wouldn't be spending half a billion dollars on product ads every year, because people would just go out and buy their stuff without being prompted.

Read what I wrote. Comprehend what I wrote. Come back. Are you really suggesting with no promotion, you can sell a product? Google promotes. MS promotes. Apple promotes. Amazon promotes.
 
Sadly, neither do you.

You don't know much about the Optimus S, I see.

And you just bought it.


Really?

I just bought a dual-core android phone for 99 dollars, outright.

the plan, with data and unlimited text, is $25 a month, no contract at all.

GPS, Wifi, decent camera, etc. (LG Optimus S)


Dual core? No, it is dual band. It uses a 600 MHz Arm-11 design. In design (memory, processor, screen) it is very similar to the 3 year old iPhone 3G.
 
Really?

I just bought a dual-core android phone for 99 dollars, outright.

the plan, with data and unlimited text, is $25 a month, no contract at all.

GPS, Wifi, decent camera, etc. (LG Optimus S)

Over the course of 2 years, I'll pay ~$700 total including taxes.

An iPhone 4 with approximately the same package over 2 years, with a contract from ATT, will cost me over $2100 plus tax.

So just to be clear, choosing between my current Android phone and an iPhone (base model iPhone 4 with the base level data and minutes plans) will cost me at least 700 dollars a year.

And I'll be locked into a contract that I don't have at all right now.

ATT and Verizon are giving Apple a portion of that monthly fee. Many people in my extended family have iPhones, and their family phone bill runs 200-500 dollars depending on how many people have phones. I have used their phones extensively. I have nothing against iOS at all. I also don't find it particularly better than Android. The available apps are, in general, more interesting in the App Store than the Android marketplace.

But that's becoming less of a factor every day. There isn't really an app that I've used on the iPhone that isn't available on Android that made me say "I've got to have that!"

I know what the "experience" is like.

Is it similar to getting shafted?

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_s-3583.php
 
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This may be similar to Google paying Apple for preferential placement on search.

Thanks for finding that. That's just sounds like Google paying for search as a way to keep themselves as the default on various devices (as you said, similar to what they pay Apple for.) The original post by alent1234...

google shares ad revenue with it's android partners

...implies that Google shared ad revenue as part of some kind of special arrangement between Google and their Android partners, an assertion I question because, were it true, every Android fan would throw that out whenever someone questions how a hardware maker gets any money out of Android.
 
That is the most ridiculous thing I keep hearing from people that have no idea what goes on in the world. Seriously no one, not ONE single person just throws their money at Apple because they want Apple to make money.

People buy Apple products because, dare I say it, they are GOOD products! People don't just buy Apple because its Apple. That idea is nothing but a myth stirred up by the people who hate Apple and its users for no reason.

By your same token of thought I could say that people who buy MS products because they enjoy them throw their money at MS only because they want MS to succeed. Doesn't make much sense when you reverse it does it?

I am just sick of these comments, its all thats on Macrumors anymore.

One difference, people that use Microsoft or any other popular products don't go around bragging about how much money the company makes and high fiveing each other over the amount of money the company makes. That is not normal.

Do you do cartwheels when your power company makes a big profit? Do you applaud them when they raise their rates because they supply you with such great electricity? How about the supermarkets? Do you like to pay higher prices too? Just curious.

My previous, and first laptop, was a Dell. It gave me a ton of grief. My previous, and first router, was a Linksys. It gave me a ton of grief. My previous phones were Nokia, Sanyo, and Samsung flip phones. They worked as dumb phones but their firmware was never updated despite regular bugs in the software. Support for hardware issues was a pain because most stores weren't 'corporate' stores and could not swap out your phone for a new one at the time.

I now have a MacBook (early '08), an iPhone 3G and 4, an Airport Extreme, and an iPad 2. They give me as close to zero grief as one could hope for. I'm not simply 'lining their pockets', I'm paying for a quality product that is well designed and supported just as well. To me it's worth it.

LOL!! Priceless!

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They make amazing products that people are happy to pay for. This supports the notion that people will pay for quality products and quality support.

Not every business needs to race to the bottom and become a generic commodity maker that is barely profitable.

Apples profitability allows them to create more amazing things for their customers.

The real question is why does an apple hater like yourself keep posting on an apple related forum.

By the way apples obligation is to its shareholders and they have the happiest shareholders around. Apple does realize quality leads to happy customers and profits which lead to happy shareholders.

ROFLMAO! Since I don't drink the Kool Aid I'm a hater!! Oh, you forgot to call me a troll too, that is what anyone who criticizes Apple is usually called here. Most can't see the forest because of the trees.

Apple is the reason smartphones are no higher than $299 on contract. Before the iPhone 3G came out, smartphones on contract were $350 and up on contracts. Apple forces the industry to lower the up front cost of the phone. The reason Apple makes so much profit from the iPhone is because they make it off the carriers. The carriers are paying Apple more for the iPhone than any other manufacturer. As long as you don't buy the iPhone off contract like most costumers don't then your not "lining their pockets."

Except that these amazing products don't even cost Apple 50 cents on the dollar to produce. They just sell them at huge markup and people cheer about the huge profits. Apple gets $700 for every iPhone it sells, no matter who sells it. And it costs them less than $350 to make.

You are placing everyone on the same boat - you should not - you have to understand that the apple community has been dumb down ever since iOS

but yes, a company like HP makes less profit per item over Apple yet employ 304K people - in itself a value these days... but that is not a conversation you have with an 18 year old.

Do you really think it is the new user that iOS has attracted that has led to this mentality? Or is this forum composed mostly of high schoolers?
 
So the only companies that seem to hold their own are HTC and Samsung. No wonder Apple is suing these two the hardest.

It seems the companies that are being sued by Apple for infringing on Apple's patents / copying Apple's iPhone design are the most successful ones. Looks like copying Apple paid for them.
 
Apple gets $700 for every iPhone it sells, no matter who sells it. And it costs them less than $350 to make.

All cellphones typically receive some sort of subsidy from the carrier.

The same can be said about any of the cellphone hardware manufacturers.
 
All cellphones typically receive some sort of subsidy from the carrier.

The same can be said about any of the cellphone hardware manufacturers.

That's true, but manufactures also sell to the carriers at a wholesale price, not full retail like Apple does.
 
That's true, but manufactures also sell to the carriers at a wholesale price, not full retail like Apple does.

How do you know that this is occurring?

Wireless carriers do sell iPhones that are unlocked and without a plan at the retail price specified by Apple.

I doubt that the carriers would do this without getting a piece of the pie.
 
How do you know that this is occurring?

Wireless carriers do sell iPhones that are unlocked and without a plan at the retail price specified by Apple.

I doubt that the carriers would do this without getting a piece of the pie.

I think that I have read it here several times, perhaps it's not correct? I have read that Apple gets the full $699 per phone from the carrier and the carrier subsidizes it to the consumer. If this is wrong, I stand corrected.
 
Do you really think it is the new user that iOS has attracted that has led to this mentality? Or is this forum composed mostly of high schoolers?

Every summer, forums have more than the usual number of teens. Everyone looks forward to the Fall, when school starts again.

That's true, but manufactures also sell to the carriers at a wholesale price, not full retail like Apple does.

Almost full retail. Analysts over the past few years have steadily come up with a figure of about $420-430 (*) being paid to Apple by ATT for each phone.

Add in the $200 the customer pays up front, and ATT pays Apple ~$625 per phone. Unlocked, it sells for $650.

(*) One analyst thought that it was $325 + $100 if it was a new subscriber.
 
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