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Apple's Q2 2017 MacBook Sales Increase 17 Percent Over the Previous Quarter
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With the margins and revenues they pull in, they're still doing fine. The Mac Division makes half the revenue of HP's PC/Tablet division on less than a fifth of the volume (and if you add in iPads, they do as well as HP on significantly lower sales volume).
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Though they did see a rise in revenues due to their acquisition of EMC, Dell also reported a $1.5 billion operating loss for their most recent quarter (an almost 1000% increase Year on Year).
Apple kills it in the high end consumer space, but not the high end that's where Dell and HP live.
I would legitimately be interested in a 15" model WITHOUT the Touch Bar. It's ridiculous to me that we are given absolutely no choice when it comes to the 15" model.
Maybe, just maybe, Apple will release a non touch bar variant. Matter of fact, I think that there was a rumor that came out around the same time that Apple announced their plans for a new Mac Pro stating that there was plans for an additional Macbook Pro with more ports. I'd hope that that means no touch bar as well.
One can only hope. Until then, I honestly have no interest in purchasing a touch bar MacBook. I want my function keys. @Janichsan, had you been given the choice, would you have gotten your MacBook Pro without the touch bar?
Good advice. I've been struggling to go with just a 15" MBPro or go with an iMac and a lesser laptop. Primary use would be post processing my images (I'm a photographer).
I would really like to know. I haven't heard many apps use the bar in a meaningful way. I still feel if I know a keyboard shortcut then I am not looking down at the keyboard just because this touchbar exists.
...and there are people like me that love the new model. I've been waiting for a single cable 5K solution for years and now I have it.
I believe the high end are a small part of their sales, as a single model the Macbook Pro sold more than Dell and HPs high end combined
https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/
That is to say, major differences in Dell sales won't be down to the XPS, it'll be down to how the mid and low end are doing.
I wonder if that Inspiron 15 gaming edition was quite popular too.
I imagine if the 13" MacBook Pro is $3500 where you are, likely your cars and other luxury items likely costs twice as the US too so I would say then it's not overpriced at all comparatively.
Did I not indicate that some love it, some don't, etc?
Thought I made that clear - apologies if I didn't make it clearer.
My comment was really about the lack of direct correlation between "keyboard/touchbar is great/awful" and Q over Q sales data.
I was really just responding to the somewhat trolling nature of the commenters that hinted at "see - and all the whiny MR users say the touchbar is awful -but look at the sales numbers!!".
There's really no way to gauge actual reception of features short of having much more configurable options for a product line and having all of them sold side by side with equally up to date internals -- but even then, only Apple would really know how it was going and what market segments really thought of specific design decisions and tradeoffs, just based upon what they actually bought with other variables being equal. None of this is going to happen of course.
Ah I don't care much about the financial PoV. I was more curious regarding the type of laptops people buy more. E.g. the heavy duty ones vs the super portables. I have an impression that as the super portables slowly close the performance/efficiency gap they are becoming more popular and gain more trust.
Indeed, that's another category that would be interesting to know how it goes. Has people's trust to laptop gaming increased ?
The "champion Microsoft" is the 90% of people that chose not to buy Apple. Do you not understand that those computers are all running a Microsoft OS, and probably also Microsoft Office Suite, and that Microsoft is a software company first?
I honestly have no idea the point you are trying to make about dongles? I can't keep up... are we bashing Apple for USB-C only or Microsoft for USB-A only?
As for the Surface line, Microsoft is not out to own market share because it would obviously make all their OEMs a bit angry at them. The Surface line is a niche player and will likely never show up on the market share reports showing the top share holders. Would you consider Ferrari, Range Rover, Tesla, etc. automotive failures because they don't show up on a market share report comparing GM, Ford, Honda, and Toyota?
The reality is if you look at segments within the PC sales, the detachable screen tablet computer is one that is growing, and Apple doesn't compete in that segment. Microsoft's Surface created the segment and now there are great products selling from all the major OEMs that you would need to consider in any share comparison.
True... you need to see year over year rates to really determine anything.
How exactly did you deduce from this article that Surface sales are sinking? See my comment above... you won't ever see Microsoft in a hardware market share comparison because they are a niche player for hardware.
How did Microsoft kill themselves with pricing? They have 90% of the PC market. If you are talking about Surface, you think that their pricing is out of line? It seems pretty much in line with the competition in the segments they compete in. They are never going to go aggressively low on price because they need to not alienate their OEM channel which is where the majority of their sales come from.
As for Windows 10 being nowhere near MacOS, that is simply your opinion. Given that 90% of PC buyers are choosing Windows over MacOS, not everyone agrees with you. Personally, I think they both have pros and cons, but are roughly equal as a whole. Apple has basically turned MacOS into a hobby because they aren't doing much to enhance it that isn't driven by something related to the iPhone which is their primary product today. The Mac has become an iPhone accessory as far as I'm concerned. Meanwhile, Windows 10 is Microsoft's priority and it shows as they've made great strides in recent years under new leadership.
It could be at least one more sold unit if a not the camera would be a freaking joke.
Was looking forward to upgrade, but I didn't buy it. Still working on my MacBook Air 2011, rendering movies in 1080p Full HD, with SD card in DA SLOT YEAH TAKE THIS MACBOOK 2017 fanboys! BAMM! BUILT IN SD CARD READER!! :-D
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Probably yes. I mean, I could see that the TouchBar could actually has potential, and maybe there are apps out there where it actually is useful. But I haven't seen those, and right now, it's often rather a nuisance for me. In the end of the day, I would have preferred traditional function keys.
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As I said before, it all depends in how you look at these things. You articulated in excellent detail something I already stated, how Apple is more profitable in their niche than the guys with more marketshare.
But from the consumer perspective (where my point hinges), more people avoid Apple products than those than choose them. So Apple gaining marketshare does not necessarily translate to them having "better" products, like people are alluding to here. "Better" is relative, but from the market perspective, Apple isn't.
This relates to the market's perceived value. Apple could charge $1B per say, MacBook, so if they find 20 "suckers" to sell to they've beaten everyone, while "losing" in the market(share) space.
Apple has successfully convinced its users to pay more for the same capability, CAPABILITY, that is available everywhere else, and sometimes for less capability (see iPhone), just because of the way they either package things or provide a convenience or feature people value over everything else.
What that "killer feature" is varies from person to person, but I cannot think of ANYTHING I can do on the Mac that I can't do on a PC, for less money.
So from that perspective, Apple beats EVERYONE.