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I'd like to see a more detailed break down of each company's sales, though. For instance, Dell has a much higher QoQ increase than apple. I'd like to know if it's because of the XPS series or not.
 
Sorry, Apple is losing in the segment they compete in, which is the segment (bundled in by the report) that includes all other PC manufacturers.

With the margins and revenues they pull in, they're still doing fine. The Mac Division makes half the revenue of HP's PC/Tablet division on less than a fifth of the volume (and if you add in iPads, they do as well as HP on significantly lower sales volume).


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I'd like to see a more detailed break down of each company's sales, though. For instance, Dell has a much higher QoQ increase than apple. I'd like to know if it's because of the XPS series or not.

Though they did see a rise in revenues due to their acquisition of EMC, Dell also reported a $1.5 billion operating loss for their most recent quarter (an almost 1000% increase Year on Year).
 
They choose something else... in which market segment? In the segments Apple chooses to compete in? Hardly.

Apple is winning hands down in PCs, as it basically owns the only profitable market segment. A 1% market share increase, when the only segment Apple competes in is the high end, is huge in terms of revenue and profits.


Apple kills it in the high end consumer space, but not the high end that's where Dell and HP live.
 
As someone who owns a 2016 15" rMBP with the TouchBar, the answer to that is still "not much". After the better part of a year, most developers still do have no good ideas how to put that thing to proper use. Even for emojis, you probably are better off to use the old symbol palette.
I would legitimately be interested in a 15" model WITHOUT the Touch Bar. It's ridiculous to me that we are given absolutely no choice when it comes to the 15" model.

Maybe, just maybe, Apple will release a non touch bar variant. Matter of fact, I think that there was a rumor that came out around the same time that Apple announced their plans for a new Mac Pro stating that there was plans for an additional Macbook Pro with more ports. I'd hope that that means no touch bar as well.

One can only hope. Until then, I honestly have no interest in purchasing a touch bar MacBook. I want my function keys. @Janichsan, had you been given the choice, would you have gotten your MacBook Pro without the touch bar?
 
$3,500? Where do you live?

But yes, it's not a cheap laptop.

Personally I'm thinking if plan to dock your MBP to a desk, consider going with the new iMac instead. Much bigger bang for your buck. Then look for a cheap MacBook if you need some portability.
Obviously it depends on the type of work you do.

Good advice. I've been struggling to go with just a 15" MBPro or go with an iMac and a lesser laptop. Primary use would be post processing my images (I'm a photographer).
 
Maybe you should look into what you can do with the touch bar before calling it "a silly emoji bar".

I would really like to know. I haven't heard many apps use the bar in a meaningful way. I still feel if I know a keyboard shortcut then I am not looking down at the keyboard just because this touchbar exists.
 
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I was waiting for an article like this and the predictable responses.

Guys - Apple has many of us well locked in and essentially trapped on our MacBooks.
They usually do internal hardware updates behind the curve and often with long intervals.

Given the options for entrenched customers are "buy what they are selling now, buy something old or move to Windows", they could release nearly anything as an update and it's going to sell well - often very well if the internal components have been ignored for long and/or purchasers have been holding off.

Sales numbers and any little Q over Q growth is so detached from any analysis of the merits of the hardware "features" or not that it really warrants hardly any discussion.

We are Mac people (many/most of us anyhow) and part of that is dealing with what they release.
Trust me I'm not happy about it. I dislike a ton of the 2016/2017 MBP design decisions and am still on a 2015 model as a result. I don't know what I'll do if nothing changes. I'm not looking forward to the day (a ways off yet) when this model really is slowing down and needs to be swapped out.

How the models are selling right now has literally nothing to do with "is the keyboard good/better/worse" or "the touchbar is awesome/awful".

MacBook buyers need/want a new MacBook. They are Mac users and so they go buy new ones. That's really where that discussion usually ends. The user works around whatever tradeoffs Apple has decided on. That does not mean the user loves them all (or dislikes them, like me)

...and there are people like me that love the new model. I've been waiting for a single cable 5K solution for years and now I have it.
 
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What is this gorgeous wallpaper??
 
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I'd like to see a more detailed break down of each company's sales, though. For instance, Dell has a much higher QoQ increase than apple. I'd like to know if it's because of the XPS series or not.


I believe the high end are a small part of their sales, as a single model the Macbook Pro sold more than Dell and HPs high end combined
https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/

That is to say, major differences in Dell sales won't be down to the XPS, it'll be down to how the mid and low end are doing.

I wonder if that Inspiron 15 gaming edition was quite popular too.
 
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Was really tempted to buy one, but $3,500 for a basic 13" laptop just seems too much.

I imagine if the 13" MacBook Pro is $3500 where you are, likely your cars and other luxury items likely costs twice as the US too so I would say then it's not overpriced at all comparatively. ;)
 
...and there are people like me that love the new model. I've been waiting for a single cable 5K solution for years and now I have it.

Did I not indicate that some love it, some don't, etc?
Thought I made that clear - apologies if I didn't make it clearer.

My comment was really about the lack of direct correlation between "keyboard/touchbar is great/awful" and Q over Q sales data.

I was really just responding to the somewhat trolling nature of the commenters that hinted at "see - and all the whiny MR users say the touchbar is awful -but look at the sales numbers!!".

There's really no way to gauge actual reception of features short of having much more configurable options for a product line and having all of them sold side by side with equally up to date internals -- but even then, only Apple would really know how it was going and what market segments really thought of specific design decisions and tradeoffs, just based upon what they actually bought with other variables being equal. None of this is going to happen of course.
 
Though they did see a rise in revenues due to their acquisition of EMC, Dell also reported a $1.5 billion operating loss for their most recent quarter (an almost 1000% increase Year on Year).

Ah I don't care much about the financial PoV. I was more curious regarding the type of laptops people buy more. E.g. the heavy duty ones vs the super portables. I have an impression that as the super portables slowly close the performance/efficiency gap they are becoming more popular and gain more trust.

I believe the high end are a small part of their sales, as a single model the Macbook Pro sold more than Dell and HPs high end combined
https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/09/2016-macbook-pro-sales/

That is to say, major differences in Dell sales won't be down to the XPS, it'll be down to how the mid and low end are doing.

I wonder if that Inspiron 15 gaming edition was quite popular too.

Indeed, that's another category that would be interesting to know how it goes. Has people's trust to laptop gaming increased ?
 
As if Apple is the only manufacturer updating their line.

Now, for the real question...

Where is the champion Microsoft on the table?

Is this the Microsoft’s heat from the Surface? Are people asking for touchscreens or not? Is a $6 dollar USB-C to USB-A adapter (set of 2 obvs.) from Amazon a problem for people buying $2000 computers?

Don’t tell me Microsoft is having problems making people part with the cash, because Apple, the expensive one, clearly isn’t!

The "champion Microsoft" is the 90% of people that chose not to buy Apple. Do you not understand that those computers are all running a Microsoft OS, and probably also Microsoft Office Suite, and that Microsoft is a software company first?

I honestly have no idea the point you are trying to make about dongles? I can't keep up... are we bashing Apple for USB-C only or Microsoft for USB-A only?

As for the Surface line, Microsoft is not out to own market share because it would obviously make all their OEMs a bit angry at them. The Surface line is a niche player and will likely never show up on the market share reports showing the top share holders. Would you consider Ferrari, Range Rover, Tesla, etc. automotive failures because they don't show up on a market share report comparing GM, Ford, Honda, and Toyota?

The reality is if you look at segments within the PC sales, the detachable screen tablet computer is one that is growing, and Apple doesn't compete in that segment. Microsoft's Surface created the segment and now there are great products selling from all the major OEMs that you would need to consider in any share comparison.

This is meaningless without year on year comparison.

But for what it is worth it shows that Dell improved sales 21.3% compared to Apples 17.1%.

So kudos to Dell then. Must be their more reasonable prices I can only guess...

True... you need to see year over year rates to really determine anything.

Surface sales sinking and Mac laptops soaring.

Huge FAIL of The Verge reviewers and MR forum vocal minorities.

How exactly did you deduce from this article that Surface sales are sinking? See my comment above... you won't ever see Microsoft in a hardware market share comparison because they are a niche player for hardware.

Microsoft killed themselves with the pricing.. their software is nowhere near macOS, even though they've improved it and tried to compensate with aesthetics & hardware paper specs, their products come out flawed and don't last.

Although if you consider that this MB model has just been upgraded and it's relatively new, numbers are still quite poor.

How did Microsoft kill themselves with pricing? They have 90% of the PC market. If you are talking about Surface, you think that their pricing is out of line? It seems pretty much in line with the competition in the segments they compete in. They are never going to go aggressively low on price because they need to not alienate their OEM channel which is where the majority of their sales come from.

As for Windows 10 being nowhere near MacOS, that is simply your opinion. Given that 90% of PC buyers are choosing Windows over MacOS, not everyone agrees with you. Personally, I think they both have pros and cons, but are roughly equal as a whole. Apple has basically turned MacOS into a hobby because they aren't doing much to enhance it that isn't driven by something related to the iPhone which is their primary product today. The Mac has become an iPhone accessory as far as I'm concerned. Meanwhile, Windows 10 is Microsoft's priority and it shows as they've made great strides in recent years under new leadership.
 
The stats don't account for returns once the buyers find out how useless the touch bar, keyboard, removal of standard ports, etc. are.
 
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But MacRumors readers were 100% certain it was a total failure of a product and no one would buy it.

Was looking forward to upgrade, but I didn't buy it. Still working on my MacBook Air 2011, rendering movies in 1080p Full HD, with SD card in DA SLOT YEAH TAKE THIS MACBOOK 2017 fanboys! BAMM! BUILT IN SD CARD READER!! :-D
 
The dollar is getting weaker against the euro.

That should help Apple sell more laptops, because the high price is the biggest reason people don't buy the product.
 
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@Janichsan, had you been given the choice, would you have gotten your MacBook Pro without the touch bar?
Probably yes. I mean, I could see that the TouchBar could actually has potential, and maybe there are apps out there where it actually is useful. But I haven't seen those, and right now, it's often rather a nuisance for me. In the end of the day, I would have preferred traditional function keys.
 
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With the margins and revenues they pull in, they're still doing fine. The Mac Division makes half the revenue of HP's PC/Tablet division on less than a fifth of the volume (and if you add in iPads, they do as well as HP on significantly lower sales volume).


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Though they did see a rise in revenues due to their acquisition of EMC, Dell also reported a $1.5 billion operating loss for their most recent quarter (an almost 1000% increase Year on Year).

As I said before, it all depends in how you look at these things. You articulated in excellent detail something I already stated, how Apple is more profitable in their niche than the guys with more marketshare.

But from the consumer perspective (where my point hinges), more people avoid Apple products than those than choose them. So Apple gaining marketshare does not necessarily translate to them having "better" products, like people are alluding to here. "Better" is relative, but from the market perspective, Apple isn't.

This relates to the market's perceived value. Apple could charge $1B per say, MacBook, so if they find 20 "suckers" to sell to they've beaten everyone, while "losing" in the market(share) space.

Apple has successfully convinced its users to pay more for the same capability, CAPABILITY, that is available everywhere else, and sometimes for less capability (see iPhone), just because of the way they either package things or provide a convenience or feature people value over everything else.

What that "killer feature" is varies from person to person, but I cannot think of ANYTHING I can do on the Mac that I can't do on a PC, for less money.

So from that perspective, Apple beats EVERYONE.
 
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