A lot of big corporations are converting to do most of their serious work on racks of servers in their data centers, or even in the "cloud", with tablets just as viewers or remote desktops. The IT and maintainance costs are vastly lower that way. It's not slow or a step down at all when an office worker can command some octo-core remote VMs from their iPad.
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A lot of big corporations are converting to do most of their serious work on racks of servers in their data centers, or even in the "cloud", with tablets just as viewers or remote desktops. The IT and maintainance costs are vastly lower that way. It's not slow or a step down at all when an office worker can command some octo-core remote VMs from their iPad.
And once again, this thread turns out to be one of those "...but iPad isn't a real computer!" debate.
For the record, I do indeed think any iOS5 device can be one's only computer, if they were so inclined. Post PC era FTW.
Ok sure, but you're just letting the world know you probably don't do anything important other than play with social media and browse the web.
Wouldn't 'sheep behaviour' be sticking with Windows, like the vast majority of computer users? I think that the fact that a consumer would purchase a Mac is indicative of his or her intelligence and knowledge of the computer market; it shows that they don't just go for the standard solution but rather seek out a better option. I find it very encouraging that so many young people are choosing Macs for school work these days. Now they are graduating and finding careers and some will inevitably wind up with the power to make purchasing decisions at their future places of employment, and many will stick with Mac.
By the way, Windows 7 is not awesome, at all.
Wow, you can't even write a coherent reply. What exactly are you trying to say? I use Windows 7 and Mac OS X every day. I have 5 machines which run a mix of OSes. If you actually had a valid point you'd post it instead of angry, incoherent rants about... something. On that basis I'm just going to ignore you.
Ok sure, but you're just letting the world know you probably don't do anything important other than play with social media and browse the web.
I'm pretty sure most people in the world with computers use it for just those reasons.
And what about people that don't even use computers, period? That untapped demographic? Give them an iPad and they're set.
Wouldn't 'sheep behaviour' be sticking with Windows, like the vast majority of computer users? I think that the fact that a consumer would purchase a Mac is indicative of his or her intelligence and knowledge of the computer market; it shows that they don't just go for the standard solution but rather seek out a better option. I find it very encouraging that so many young people are choosing Macs for school work these days. Now they are graduating and finding careers and some will inevitably wind up with the power to make purchasing decisions at their future places of employment, and many will stick with Mac.
By the way, Windows 7 is not awesome, at all.
OS X is still **** in the enterprise world, virtualization is making it better but then your #1 gain from a VM infrastructure is cheap end user devices and once again Apple is out of the question.
I am a Mac guy all the way but to say intelligent people pick Mac only is a pretty silly thing to say.
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Wow just wow...do you serve people coffee at a coffee shop by chance? I am talking about the big boy world here.
Yes, it is a step down, it's got nothing to do with computing power, because the key is entering and editing data, which is what people spend most of their time on a computer doing if they are doing a lot of work. If all you have to do is read or watch videos or pictures then the iPad is fine, but most people edit data.
And I'm not? I'm talking about the world, world here.
And no, I don't work for any coffee shops.
I agree 100%
It's not the compute power that makes the iPad a joke as a PC replacement it's the precision of input. I don't know about anyone else but if I have to create a power point doc covering quarterly financials to a CEO in a global audience I am sure as **** not making it on an iPad.
All that crapware just works so great. Having to reinstall a clean version of the OS, downloading driver, and 20 restarts does not equal JUST WORKS.
Windows 7 is great, is better than lion and SL in many ways. Windows 7 does not just work for someone who needs the advice in the first place
Input is the difference. Is it as easy to type a multi-page report on an iPad as it is on a proper keyboard?And once again, this thread turns out to be one of those "...but iPad isn't a real computer!" debate.
For the record, I do indeed think any iOS5 device can be one's only computer, if they were so inclined. Post PC era FTW.
Too many things can't be done on an iPad. It's a fantastic device but to me it's more suited for controlling my home theater or checking a quick sports score or weather report. It's a fantastic device while sitting on the toilet.
But...
Edit video, edit audio, design web pages, write code, manage network equipment, try to use a web page that has complex drop down menu's (90% of enterprise UI) I could go on and on...
People who can get by with an iPad only are fine with me, but it's not because it is a valid PC replacement it's because they have no need for a PC.
Sorry but I just don't agree with the hipster GEN-Y idea of the "post pc era", it sounds more to me like "yeah I sit on my couch all day and need a campaign to promote more laying on the couch" idea.
Firstly: bluetooth keyboard.
Secondly: As I stated to Kurfer, on a global scale, and not restricting to one particular demographic of users, most computer users aren't typing up multi-page reports.
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That's great, but you know what? For every one of you and me, I know a dozen more people who don't do any of that. Thats my point. Post PC world is for the masses, not "big boy world" as you put it.
And a huge portion of business data can be entered and edited just as fast, if not faster in some cases, with a Bluetooth keyboard and an iPad.
Sure, there are a few specialist who can fully use a dual 27" monitor setup (traders, developers, artists, etc.), but that's a tiny fraction of the total office work population.
Again, I think you're wrong and very naive to think a keyboard makes the difference with said reports.
You're not a PC user, I get it. You and my grandma can use your iPads and post kitten pictures together on flickr.
Again, I think you're wrong and very naive to think a keyboard makes the difference with said reports.
You're not a PC user, I get it. You and my grandma can use your iPads and post kitten pictures together on flickr.
Your the one making assumptions at this point, not me, but I'll shrug it off because that isn't the truth. Been a PC / Windows user for about 10 years. I know what I'm doing. I'm driving a truck, as Steve puts it.
Your also pretty naive to completely ignore the increase in sales of the iPad during this quarter earnings call; as it stands, the iPad is only 1% to overcoming Mac sales. Don't forget a continuous drop in the PC sales industry for the past several years as well.
Sales and statistics = truth. Shouldn't you know this by now? You're the one writing reports to the CEO.
You might be surprised at the number of very large businesses that are converting their network and enterprise UI to run either virtual or directly on the iPad.
Change is a hard road for those whose IT livelihoods depend on preventing Windows "enterprise solutions" from falling over.
The iPad is the complexity-lover's nightmare.
If there are fortune 10 or better enterprises doing that as a real replacement I would know and they are not. As of now it's a gimmick and a luxury. I have my own virtual environment on my iPad, I use it a lot and I mean a lot. It's nice to take a long motorcycle trip and hop off my bike and fire up my remote desktop but again if I need to do anything, and I mean anything important I gotta have a PC.
I'll agree that W7 is awesome and while not as easy to configure as the simpler OS X it's still pretty easy. Additionally there are some things about W7's UI that are to me better than the way Mac does it.
The problem with Windows, and it's a really, really big problem, is usable software. There is simply nothing available for a Windows computer that even barely compares to the ease of use, beautiful look and total system integration that Mail, iTunes, iCal/iPhoto, Address Book and iMovie give. If you just want to be able to turn on a computer, upload some photos and then email them to friends the Mac system is the best way to go.
Compared to the Mac the Windows Live suite of applications is just a sad, weak joke. Microsoft doesn't get the fact that it's the usable software that sells a computer system, not the OS. The iPhone 4s proves that all over again.
I almost feel between the lines, Cook was saying...
"Ugh, why are Macs selling???!!! The plan was to discontinue the Mac Pro, then the iMac, then gimp the MBP to an Air like machine."
Hopefully the #'s breakdown are the 13' MBP doing really well, and the iMacs. The 15' 17' Pro should be 1299 and 1799 currently unless they want to throw SSD's in them. Starting at 256GB. iMacs still are priced fine IMO. Mac Pros should be collecting dust. 1799 tops currently, Apple is too good for price drops.
I got a spare win7 machine built back up since I am scared sh**less of Apple's final solution. 1080p rendering/ Heavy Photoshop/Maya work on an iPad anytime in the next decade?? No thanks.
Seriously why are they shocked? Knowing full well the price is high? Or are they all brainwashed into teh iPad is teh futurz. Which has to evolve back into a laptop basically anyway.
"Ugh, why are Macs selling???!!! The plan was to discontinue the Mac Pro, then the iMac, then gimp the MBP to an Air like machine."
Hopefully the #'s breakdown are the 13' MBP doing really well, and the iMacs. The 15' 17' Pro should be 1299 and 1799 currently unless they want to throw SSD's in them. Starting at 256GB. iMacs still are priced fine IMO. Mac Pros should be collecting dust. 1799 tops currently, Apple is too good for price drops.
I got a spare win7 machine built back up since I am scared sh**less of Apple's final solution. 1080p rendering/ Heavy Photoshop/Maya work on an iPad anytime in the next decade?? No thanks.
Seriously why are they shocked? Knowing full well the price is high? Or are they all brainwashed into teh iPad is teh futurz. Which has to evolve back into a laptop basically anyway.