While theoretically possible now with iCloud and iOS 5, I'd still keep a computer around just in case.
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While theoretically possible now with iCloud and iOS 5, I'd still keep a computer around just in case.
Ah, no. The average person who uses a PC at work most definitely did real work on it by definition. Your inability to accept this reflects the fact that you've decided that the iPad is somehow this amazing product that fixes everything and then works backwards from there, introducing the notion that no-one really does work on a PC to suit your argument. If the average person didn't do work on PC then they didn't need a PC which means they don't need an iPad. The fact that you say that the iPad is more suitable for these people reflects it's status as a toy or entertainment device. For people who do real work on a PC it's of no use.
The fact is that the iPad makes work much slower for most people compared to a PC. Can a secretary touch type on a iPad? No. Can a finance person crunch numbers in a spreadsheet on a iPad? No. Can anyone watch videos on it? Yes.
And here is an example of what I mean.
Apple has taken the concept of "features! features! features!" and thrown it out the door.
Like it or not, Apple has taken a different approach to the market that none of the other companies have figured out yet, and its this:
The vast majority of users want simplicity not which has the most features.
The iPad is a very good example of this. Look at the competition, they aren't looking at "ease of use", they are releasing products full of fluff features that only power users want, not the general population.
The GP wants to turn on their device and just have it work, not have to browse through feature after feature to find the one they are looking for.
Apple takes the features the majority needs in their devices and seamlessly connects them together.
I'm a power user and enjoy feature rich hardware/software but even I have to recognize that Apple has turned the market upside down.
Like it or not, Apple has taken a different approach to the market that none of the other companies have figured out yet, and its this:
The vast majority of users want simplicity not which has the most features.
The iPad is a very good example of this. Look at the competition, they aren't looking at "ease of use", they are releasing products full of fluff features that only power users want, not the general population.
The GP wants to turn on their device and just have it work, not have to browse through feature after feature to find the one they are looking for.
Apple takes the features the majority needs in their devices and seamlessly connects them together.
I'm a power user and enjoy feature rich hardware/software but even I have to recognize that Apple has turned the market upside down.
Your posting is quite entertaining as your logic is all over the places. Probably I'll frustrated if I had to work with you, but as a bystander, it's pretty amusing to read. Yeah, I'm typing this with "toy" iPad.
With all seriousness, iPad changed my lifestyle as I don't have to tether myself to pc to "work". Instead I wake up and read the news on my bed and go to bed reading eBooks at night. Checking emails, browsing web, texting, and Facebook are all possible with this "toy" as well.
Then again, I'm not trying to convince you here. Just go ahead and give your windows pc a big hug and stop wasting everyone's time here.
Your posting is quite entertaining as your logic is all over the places. Probably I'll frustrated if I had to work with you, but as a bystander, it's pretty amusing to read. Yeah, I'm typing this with "toy" iPad.
With all seriousness, iPad changed my lifestyle as I don't have to tether myself to pc to "work". Instead I wake up and read the news on my bed and go to bed reading eBooks at night. Checking emails, browsing web, texting, and Facebook are all possible with this "toy" as well.
Then again, I'm not trying to convince you here. Just go ahead and give your windows pc a big hug and stop wasting everyone's time here.
Ok, so you don't do any serious work on your iPad. That's my point. The iPad is not for serious work, it's for entertainment or amusement or relaxation, whatever you want to call it. You say it's changed your lifestyle, not your work. Reading, texting, Facebook, etc is not work. Why are you disagreeing with me and them making my point with your example?
Maybe you'd waste people's time here less if you read posts before you replied to them. A lot to ask, I know.
re "almost unbelievable"
well deserved aapl
thats what happens when you make game changing products
only downside - every tom-dick-harry wants to copy you
well deserved aapl
thats what happens when you make game changing products
only downside - every tom-dick-harry wants to copy you
And the fact that you think they could get most if not all their work done as effenictly on a iPad with a Keyboard shows you have ZERO understanding of the bussiness world.
The iPad does not access files off a server as easy for quick sorting threw or search threw those same documents.
Any job that uses multiple monitors or needs multiple windows open at one time. I knew where I work an iPad would of never cut it. I often times need access to documents stored on a server and I was adding to that same list all the time. I often times would have open several files at once for reference. An iPad never would of cut it.
I question what you do if you really believe an iPad with a keyboard could cover what most people need there computer to do.
Define "serious work."
I'd say the work I do on an iPad is "serious" enough.
Is doing a Master's Thesis in Pages on the iPad while in a hotel room in Niagara Falls not serious? Or is working on serious paper toward serious degree not serious?
How about a lawyer on the road composing an e-mail to opposing counsel? Is serious lawyer not so serious? Seriously?
Or how about the Doctor using the iPad to treat patients seriously?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzMmYV8DO_A
Serious or not serious?
Old definitions are being blown away. Seriously.
I'd say the work I do on an iPad is "serious" enough.
Is doing a Master's Thesis in Pages on the iPad while in a hotel room in Niagara Falls not serious? Or is working on serious paper toward serious degree not serious?
How about a lawyer on the road composing an e-mail to opposing counsel? Is serious lawyer not so serious? Seriously?
Or how about the Doctor using the iPad to treat patients seriously?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzMmYV8DO_A
Serious or not serious?
Old definitions are being blown away. Seriously.
that's great news.
Now let's update the MacPro and bring that 30" ACD back!
Oh yes!! A 30" LED ACD NON Stupid-glossy thunderbolt would be incredibly wonderful!!
I switched around that time too. Coming from a Dell running XP to an iBook that soon got Tiger was a revelation. Also picked up a discounted 3rd-gen iPod.
To be fair, I think Windows has come a long way in usability. Although they still lack taste and elegance. I saw the new build of Windows 8 and their plan is to give every single file function (copy, delete, rename, etc.) its own button on the toolbar. That's nineteen buttons, plus search, back/forward, and the usuals.
As imperfect as Apple is, I think I'll stick with them until they prove me wrong.
You sure it's always zero? What if someone has partial "understanding"? What if someone understands but doesn't agree?
And if you have all the understanding (as we are led to believe), then how can you account for the posts you've made today?
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In other words, mac sales were "magical". Is anyone else getting sick of Apple's insistance that everything they do is mythical?
There are a lot of people who don't have any clue about a lot of stuff on these forums, pretending they do. I have seen other posts by Rodimus and I know he knows what he's talking about, especially compared to the rabid iSheep that infest this forum sometimes.
Well now it's just turning into an argument of whether or not the iPad is good vs bad and that shouldn't be the case.
I personally love the thing, I think it's the next big thing in technology but I still stand behind the fact that as a PC replacement it is NOT and simply doesn't do it justice. To me the iPad is a perfect compliment, and anyone could make an argument that it does things alot better than a pc/laptop:
As a point of sale terminal the iPad blows away a PC. I don't want keyboards on POS terminals.
If I am presenting at a podium, it's nicer and cleaner to have than a laptop.
If I am a doctor and looking at charts and medical records, again great choice.
But....
I don't have access to my "drive" I can't randomly drag files around and make changes to them. I am STILL reliant on a storage medium and the app to access my storage.
Show me a photog that uses solely an ipad as a photo library and post work machine for his 5D Mark II and i'll give you a million bucks. It can't be done! Video editing is EXTREMELY limited on an iPad, so is audio editing.
The iPad makes a great companion device for niche things but for your everyday use it's awful if you want real productivity compared to PC counterparts. I gave my wife my old ipad to use so she could pay bills online on the couch and 85% of the website login features didn't work properly.
No way I can make a power point I am proud of on an ipad, nor can I trust it for creating complex charts and excel type documents. I also manage a website, NO WAY can I edit that said website with an ipad.
You're also solely reliant on the apple store for your software, you rely on applications written and forgotten with little support. Got some off the wall scheduling app written 1 year ago....what's that? The library is corrupted and won't load? Good luck getting that to work again!
This argument shouldn't be whether the iPad is a bad device, it's a wonderful tech gadget but a long long way away from a PC/Laptop replacement. With any argument exceptions can be made for both sides.
Isn't technology about being more efficient and producing a better product? The iPad is convenient but if I lined up 20 tasks that could be performed on an ipad vs a PC and timed average users against each other the results would be lopsided in favor of the PC. To me, technology is going backwards if you solely argue that an iPad is a PC replacement because the only thing it brings to the table is convenience. Now add to the fact that as of right now apple and android tablets are vastly incompatible. That is another serious issue to me, we are back in the specialized hardware markets.
I'll consider the PC era dead when we have a more mature tablet PC that breaks the boundaries of both the PC and personal tablet. I still think we are least 5-10 years out on that.
I personally love the thing, I think it's the next big thing in technology but I still stand behind the fact that as a PC replacement it is NOT and simply doesn't do it justice. To me the iPad is a perfect compliment, and anyone could make an argument that it does things alot better than a pc/laptop:
As a point of sale terminal the iPad blows away a PC. I don't want keyboards on POS terminals.
If I am presenting at a podium, it's nicer and cleaner to have than a laptop.
If I am a doctor and looking at charts and medical records, again great choice.
But....
I don't have access to my "drive" I can't randomly drag files around and make changes to them. I am STILL reliant on a storage medium and the app to access my storage.
Show me a photog that uses solely an ipad as a photo library and post work machine for his 5D Mark II and i'll give you a million bucks. It can't be done! Video editing is EXTREMELY limited on an iPad, so is audio editing.
The iPad makes a great companion device for niche things but for your everyday use it's awful if you want real productivity compared to PC counterparts. I gave my wife my old ipad to use so she could pay bills online on the couch and 85% of the website login features didn't work properly.
No way I can make a power point I am proud of on an ipad, nor can I trust it for creating complex charts and excel type documents. I also manage a website, NO WAY can I edit that said website with an ipad.
You're also solely reliant on the apple store for your software, you rely on applications written and forgotten with little support. Got some off the wall scheduling app written 1 year ago....what's that? The library is corrupted and won't load? Good luck getting that to work again!
This argument shouldn't be whether the iPad is a bad device, it's a wonderful tech gadget but a long long way away from a PC/Laptop replacement. With any argument exceptions can be made for both sides.
Isn't technology about being more efficient and producing a better product? The iPad is convenient but if I lined up 20 tasks that could be performed on an ipad vs a PC and timed average users against each other the results would be lopsided in favor of the PC. To me, technology is going backwards if you solely argue that an iPad is a PC replacement because the only thing it brings to the table is convenience. Now add to the fact that as of right now apple and android tablets are vastly incompatible. That is another serious issue to me, we are back in the specialized hardware markets.
I'll consider the PC era dead when we have a more mature tablet PC that breaks the boundaries of both the PC and personal tablet. I still think we are least 5-10 years out on that.
We have crossed the Rubicon here, people. This is go time. Zero hour. The paradigm has shifted, and there is no turning back. Nothing will ever be the same. Solid lines, once left alone, have been crossed with wild abandon. Things once thought true, are now proven false. Concepts are being rewritten. Whole civilizations have risen and fallen overnight. Worlds have collided.
Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria.
This changes everything. Again.
Okay, but seriously, folks. I think the better term to use would've been indepth, rather than serious. You can do serious work on an iPad. That doctor checking out x-rays? That's serious work. As is your graduate student and his thesis.
We all know the iPad can do these things. Question is, does it do it as well, or better than the old standard? At the moment, no. Not really. Like your graduate student. Is he using the iPad keyboard? Probably. I'm pretty sure even the most ardent Apple fan would get tired of the onscreen keyboard about two paragraphs in.
...and if he's using the iPad keyboard, why not just use a Laptop?
It's "magical", not mythical.
Apple can label it whatever they like. When you achieve the results they do, you can afford to call it whatever pleases you.
It's pretty "magical" that Apple keeps outpacing a market experiencing downturns, with some big players even forced to sell off their PC business, while Apple keeps the Mac at the very top of the consumer satisfaction polls eight years running. Apple pulls off results quite unlike any other box-maker out there. Probably because they've done something completely different from everyone else, like vertical integration, and have gone a long way to perfecting it. To other box-makers who can't even dream of taking such a risk, it might very well seem "magical."
Should we petition them to change "magical" to "spellbinding"? Would that make you feel better?
How about "Sorcerific"? That sounds pretty magical.
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Loved the post, and this part by far the most.
I think Lion has shown pretty well that the paradigm shift really needs something bigger - the evil triumvirate (resume, autosave, versions for the uninitiated) I'm sure works fine on an iPad with no access to the file system and with only document creation in mind. But with real file manipulation and the vast array of tasks people want to do, they stop making sense very quickly. No the new paradigm doesn't do old school tasksets better (or even as well); it's the new tasksets about which we're only just learning that will be well handled here.
But I think I'll be holding on to this PC-era sinking ship as long as possible, just as many still cling to pen, paper and books.
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I guess, that's the only thing you do in your droid tablet?
You know, there are surveys of students that have an iPad getting good grades in their school compared to those who don't have one. There are productivity apps in App store like Pages, quickoffice, etc, and guess what? they are always on the top! (App store charts)
The video editing industry, which I'm in, changes rapidly. Updating the MacBook Pro every 18 months doesn't keep up with NLE developments and trends. MBA with FCPX? It reportedly works now, but barely, and that's with the super MBA. How about a 13" MBP, dump the optical drive, put in i7 quad, ssd, 1gb+ vram with dedicated graphics. That should be able to run FCPX updates for three years, maybe more. A lot of intrepid videographers do field shooting and editing. I like small!
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One nicely complements the other.
One nicely complements the other.
All this iOS development and promotion by Apple has made me a little worried about the future of Mac OS X and the Mac over the past couple years... So this is definitely great news
Dude sales of Macs have increased 20% YoY for 5 years now. I would have been worried 7-10 years ago but not now.
What? Isn't the 'worst Mac OS release yet' hindering sales?
I am sorry but to me it is. For the first time since I used a Mac, my computer froze and crashed, battery life sucks and beach balls are here every now and then. So yeah.. Things I've NEVER experienced on SL
And the laptop is a conveninent device where a traditional computer is not wanted. Things specialize, based on demand. Doesn't mean they are unnecessary.