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I have a feeling that the Siri founders left Apple because of the absurd time-driven approach.

If I'm right, one of the co-founders is still around at Apple. Plus, Apple made a big ex-Amazon hire to lead the Siri team. I think his expertise is in search.
 
I don't know why so many people feel iOS is outdated. I'd get really frustrated if Apple started changing its interface every few years just for the heck of it. iOS works well for me and does what I need it to do. It's intuitive and smooth. I'm sure it will gradually evolve; it's only five years old, after all. If a system works, why muck it up? I don't see much ground-shaking interface evolution from Android. The only OS to get a major makeover recently is Windows, and we'll have to wait and see how that one turns out.
Have to agree with you on Android. Was thinking of switching before the iPhone5 came out. Every android handset I picked up had like 4 menus in 4 different corners of every screen. Some folks might like to have options all over the place, but I keep my desktop empty, my menubar tidy, my dock light, and my handset distraction free.
 
Does anything need to be said about Jony? The buck stops with him on all design now. That's fantastic news.
As long as it's about aesthetics, sure, but his brilliance in industrial design isn't a merit when it comes to intuitive GUI design. It's like assuming that Beckham is the ultimate PS/3 FIFA 2013 player. Same sport, different skill sets.
 
These changes appear be in line with Steve's philosophy for how to run the business. Cook has simplified it even further than it already was.

"We are organized like a startup..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60dheI4ARg

Apple's and MS' organizational structure is very similar now. They both have 3 divisions in the company

Apple - Softwarre (iOS / OSX), Services, Design

Microsoft - Platforms (Windows, services), Business, Entertainment / Devices
 
Change is bound to happen, but I certainly hope it doesn't result in more butt ugly design like the album holder shelf in the iPhoto app. Say what you will about skeuomorphism, but the bookshelf in iBooks looks 100% better than that ugly iPhoto crap!
 
You've been a great help.

If you're hoping to get a correct and complete answer to your question here, I think you're going to be disappointed. I choose to trust that the heads at Apple generally know what they're doing and wouldn't put Ive in a position he is incapable of succeeding in.

I think Ive's role as far as HCI goes will be more of an arbiter of good taste than dictating everything down to the last pixel. If he can just set some guidelines, kick out the duds, and refine the good stuff, Apple will be doing fine.
 
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The Windows 8 UI is, from what I read, universally praised. As for the iOS UI, there's nothing wrong with the grid of icons per say, but there's serious lack of consistency / integration in the UI across the OS. Plus there are good features iOS is lacking vs other platforms.
Universally praised? Mixed receptions seems more like it >_>
It's strange that you would point out inconsistencies in iOS, but not in Windows 8 which (in my eyes at least) is the motherload of inconsistencies; what with the clashing blend of metro and classic desktop...
 
Since the MacRumors forums have the capability to filter out all those bad four letter words, how about adding SKEUOMORPHISM to the filter. If I never see that word again it will be fine with me.
 
A product should only be released when it's more or less finished (I agree that's debatable, but time-driven release is absurd). I always wondered why a Beta version of Siri saw the day of light. If I remember well Jobs was still around when that happened.

Because both Siri and Maps need the data you feed it.
 
I don't really like this news. Apple's not Apple anymore :/

How many people here even knew what "The Mac and Apple teams," "Mac OS X and Classic," etc. meant? Probably fewer than half.
 
Absurd. Apple is a public corporation, responsible to its shareholders and its board of directors. The board would have to approve such a deal, just as they had to approve making Tim Cook CEO. They would never agree to handcuff themselves, their CEO and abdicate their responsibility to the shareholders.


Uh-oh ----- Somebody doesn't know a lot about "public corporations"...:rolleyes:
 
I think Ive's role as far as HCI goes will be more of an arbiter of good taste than dictating everything down to the last pixel. If he can just set some guidelines, kick out the duds, and refine the good stuff, Apple will be doing fine.

Bingo. I see Ive taking over Steve's role. Steve didn't have a background in HCI either, but that didn't stop him from being the arbiter of good taste. This is a good thing, IMO because Ive's taste is even better than Jobs'.

Think of Ive as the director, rather than the concept artist.
 
Ive’s appointment as the Human Interface honcho means that more risk-taking needs to come into the products.

I'm not sure what this means.

Also, are people really confident in Cue? Isn't iMessage his fault? Myself and many other people I know have problems with that all the time: messages saying they've been delivered when they haven't been, messages taking 20 minutes to be delivered, or just not coming through at all. My friend who uses iCloud email tells me that's also unreliable for him, although I'm not aware of problems myself (but then how do you know when you have't received an email?).
 
I hope these changes will let Apple make some bold moves. I for one would like to see more incremental updates like speed increases and new software features added like Siri improvements. Apple can do major hardware releases when they are ready but there's no need to wait years for speed bumps etc. Also hoping Apple steps up their game in their next iOS update and blows android out of the water. Siri needs major upgrades. I'm confident Maps will rock in a year or so.
 
Who decided that google maps had to be removed now? It's been widely reported that the google maps contracts still had another year before it expired, Apple was under no external pressure to remove google maps.

If Scott decided that google maps had to go now and was unable to get the new mapping app working before the release deadline, then it is obviously Scott's fault. But if it was Cook's or somebody else's desire to jettison google maps now without giving Scott enough time to get the new map app up to par, that's not Scott's fault.

Based on the reported refusal of Scott to apologize himself, that could possibly point to Scott knowing full well the new map app was not ready, and his refusal to be somebody else's fall guy to take the blame for a decision to replace google apps before the new map app was ready.

Something doesn't add up here. If Maps and Siri were released in poor condition because of a set schedule, who sets the schedule? If everybody knew Maps was not ready and you still had google maps under contract for a year, why get rid of google maps? Those don't sounds like decisions that Scott would be in charge of making, those sound like CEO decisions.
 
Org chart that I see

Even though Federighi reports to Cook it seems that his relationship is now that same as the hardware guys which take direction from Ive. This makes sense.

My question is who is coming up with the "next cool thing"?? iOS 5 and iOS 6 have been fairly minor updates in terms of innovation.

CEO (Cook)
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- Internet Services (Cue)
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- Design (Ive)
... |
... - Software (Federighi)
... |
... - Hardware (Mansfield/Riccio)
 
If this means iOS/Siri/Maps will no longer be a joke, I'm all for it. It's sad how far Apple's lame mobile OS has lagged behind the competition.
 
I don't know why so many people feel iOS is outdated. I'd get really frustrated if Apple started changing its interface every few years just for the heck of it. iOS works well for me and does what I need it to do. It's intuitive and smooth. I'm sure it will gradually evolve; it's only five years old, after all. If a system works, why muck it up? I don't see much ground-shaking interface evolution from Android. The only OS to get a major makeover recently is Windows, and we'll have to wait and see how that one turns out.

im pleased for you that you enjoy it so much. I wish I could. As I said I really like apple but im just bored of ios on my phone. It wouldnt take much for me to change back but Id need to see an iphone with a bigger screen, nice widgets, true multitasking and much better keyboards.
 
It is clear now that Cook has management skill. I still wonder about his vision. He needs to show investors and analysts that Apple, being a company it is, can penetrate people's living room by tying in all Mac relevant devices with an innovative process. AppleTV is not yet an answer because iTunes is still a weak link that makes non-Apple consumers love to hate it simply because it takes away choices. The answer is right before their eyes: nobody has to have an iPhone, but people want to get one because it is the right one.
 
I don't know why so many people feel iOS is outdated. I'd get really frustrated if Apple started changing its interface every few years just for the heck of it.
I don't think that's gonna happen, but it could use a makeover aesthetically.

Once upon a time, OS X was designed to reflect the hardware design. The pinstripes, the blobby Aqua buttons, it all came out of the bondi blue hardware -- the PowerMac G3 and the original iMac.

Then came the white Macs followed by the aluminum Macs but the G3-inspired UI stayed the same... it wasn't until Lion that they got rid of those ugly pill buttons and scroll bars, and there's still some Aqua residue left, like the icon style, the spinning beach ball etc. Much of the look and feel of iOS is a product of the Aqua era. It's getting pretty stale and Apple would hate to be looked upon as unfashionable in any way...
 
So does Ive actually have software engineers/designers reporting to him now? Or do all the software guys report through Federighi with a dotted line to Ive? :confused:
 
Universally praised? Mixed receptions seems more like it >_>
It's strange that you would point out inconsistencies in iOS, but not in Windows 8 which (in my eyes at least) is the motherload of inconsistencies; what with the clashing blend of metro and classic desktop...
I think he probably meant Windows Phone 8.

To me, Windows 8 (as opposed to Windows Phone 8) seems like a desperate attempt to gain developer support through the deployment of a touch interface on desktops. Desktop users have no need of such an interface, but there aren't enough Windows tablet users to entice developers and users won't buy the tablets until there are more apps.

IMO, the more sensible approach, if they weren't desperate for developer support, would be to enable desktop mode when the keyboard is attached and enable tablet mode when no keyboard is attached. I think Apple could do something like that with OSX and iOS and make it work on next-generation hardware.
 
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